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Ekcrbe 14-02-2012 10:51

Things You Shouldn't Do
 
I thought it would be ineresting to see what things people have done that they regret...

Our team accidentally plugged an analog sensor into the digital side of the sidecar...
[magic white smoke]

electron 14-02-2012 10:58

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Things to not do:
-Think you can worry about wire management after everything is wired.
-Put the Digital Sidecar in the most out-of-the-way, hardest-to-reach place on the robot you can possibly imagine. :rolleyes:

Things to do:
-Make sure the jags are not wired backwards.. ::rtm::

SenorZ 14-02-2012 12:10

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Get M+ and V+ mixed up on a jaguar... And turn on the robot

BrandonGlatz 14-02-2012 14:17

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Connect two battery connectors together.... I still regret that to this day...

OZ_341 14-02-2012 14:22

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We had a rookie store bare steel cables in the same crate with an un-insulated battery.
It makes a beautiful green vapor!! :yikes:

Ty Tremblay 14-02-2012 14:34

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We had the robot in the back of an SUV on the way to a practice field. Somehow, a battery fell over and the two leads connected on our drive train. We didn't notice until we got to the field about 30 minutes later. The chain go so hot that several links were welded together.

Moral: Insulate and secure your batteries.

Taylor 14-02-2012 14:39

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While we were helping set up an indoor summer offseason competition, we did not realize it was raining outside. Our robot, however, took note of that. Mostly because it was in the bed of a pickup truck at the time.

LinuxArchitect 14-02-2012 14:41

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Don't assume white dashes on a wire mean negative polarity. Buy two of everything until you figure that out.

scottydoh 14-02-2012 15:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1126516)
While we were helping set up an indoor summer offseason competition, we did not realize it was raining outside. Our robot, however, took note of that. Mostly because it was in the bed of a pickup truck at the time.

That's not always the end though. Out lead teacher is notorious for leaving the robot outside in his truck through all kinds of weather. Back in 2008 the robot sat through a rain storm, several days later we went to use it an a demo and noticed water dripping out of the computer (The old school IFI Microchip one) So we took it apart and dried off the PCB with a hand dryer in the men's room, 15min later the robot was up and running perfectly.

1986titans 14-02-2012 15:13

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This wasn't on my team (it happened at college), but one time a kid was working near a battery much like the FRC ones and managed to put a screwdriver across a couple uninsulated terminals.

Moral: Give thanks for insulated screwdrivers.

giantmidget31 14-02-2012 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LinuxArchitect (Post 1126518)
Don't assume white dashes on a wire mean negative polarity. Buy two of everything until you figure that out.

I thought white dashes were always positive...

dellagd 14-02-2012 17:12

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I believe they are :P

He was saying dont assume that, because they arn't :P

nitneylion452 14-02-2012 18:18

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We had someone measure the distance between the terminals of a battery with a measuring tape. He contacted both terminals. Needless to say, the tape measure is no good from ~2 to ~4 inches. Completely burnt. It now sits proudly in our hall of shame, along with some other things.

gyroscopeRaptor 14-02-2012 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nitneylion452 (Post 1126646)
We had someone measure the distance between the terminals of a battery with a measuring tape. He contacted both terminals. Needless to say, the tape measure is no good from ~2 to ~4 inches. Completely burnt. It now sits proudly in our hall of shame, along with some other things.

I would like to see what else is there.

We never do any drilling on a robot with any electrical parts attached unless a vacuum is sucking away chips and swarfs from the drill. Lexan, Wood, Aluminum, Poolnoodles, nothing is drilled unless a vacuum is there.

Once we were using a piece of scrap metal to determine angle on last year's bot's Lexan, and almost contacted bare battery terminals.

cgmv123 14-02-2012 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by giantmidget31 (Post 1126597)
I thought white dashes were always positive...

I thought that too. :confused:

Whippet 14-02-2012 20:29

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Never, ever drill a hole in a block of wood unless it is clamped down. Our team captain lost a large part of her finger this way. ::safety::

Trez 14-02-2012 21:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1126756)
Never, ever drill a hole in a block of wood unless it is clamped down. Our team captain lost a large part of her finger this way. ::safety::

Last year we were cutting a piece of plywood on a table saw. The newly cut piece of wood got lodged between the saw blade and the sliding guide and shot 20ft clear across the shop making a large hold in the wall.

nikeairmancurry 14-02-2012 21:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trez (Post 1126818)
Last year we were cutting a piece of plywood on a table saw. The newly cut piece of wood got lodged between the saw blade and the sliding guide and shot 20ft clear across the shop making a large hold in the wall.

Lexan + same set-up + me standong there = Ouch

krazyman1013 14-02-2012 23:41

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Make sure everything on the CNC work tray is clamped down or the material will spin on the bit at approximately 2500 RPM until the bit breaks.

Nate Laverdure 15-02-2012 08:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trez (Post 1126818)
Last year we were cutting a piece of plywood on a table saw. The newly cut piece of wood got lodged between the saw blade and the sliding guide and shot 20ft clear across the shop making a large hold in the wall.

That's called kickback, and it's one reason why the table saw is probably the most dangerous tool in your shop. Please be careful!

MichaelBick 15-02-2012 08:39

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Don't use bad PWMs. Also, don't connect PWMs backwards.

patrickr41 15-02-2012 08:50

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never trust the robot when its on
we lost connection with it and it went after the whole team
robot+lose connection=sprang ankle and no more camera turret :(
don't forget when your working on it to put it on blocks......::ouch::

MechEng83 15-02-2012 09:19

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Neophyte team member sent to deburr a hole in a plate... 30 seconds later, we hear a loud sound and I spend the next 30 minutes extricating said plate from deep within the belt sander...

Walter Deitzler 15-02-2012 09:57

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DO NOT! go up to your team's CAD computer and decide it would be funny to mess around with the design. While fixable with 'undo' or 'ctrl z', it is really annoying and not remotely funny. One time a rookie even accidentally caused the computer to freeze up, making me have to re-CAD everything I had been working on

Do: Constantly save your CAD drawings

bardd 15-02-2012 12:15

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This happened to us a week ago. If you need to drill holes in a plate, and the holes are right above an encoder, NEVER EVER drill them without removing the plate!!!

That encoder took too long to replace :(

treffk 15-02-2012 12:22

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Do not try to see if the battery fits and accidentily touch the battery terminals to the frame causing sparks and the unfortunate nickname of Sparky.

Also do not forget to put the tailgate up on the truck you are hauling the robot in. You will make a turn and the robot will fall out on the highway.

caltemus 15-02-2012 17:17

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Do: Insulate your batteries the INSTANT you get them. I thought everybody did that...

dudefise 15-02-2012 18:26

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We had a 2-cim shooter setup, and wired the positive wires from each motor to one jaguar, and the negative wires to another! Thankfully, the jags survived and seem to have avoided any damage.

Ekcrbe 15-02-2012 19:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by electron (Post 1126383)
Things to not do:
-Think you can worry about wire management after everything is wired.
-Put the Digital Sidecar in the most out-of-the-way, hardest-to-reach place on the robot you can possibly imagine. :rolleyes:

Things to do:
-Make sure the jags are not wired backwards.. ::rtm::

We actually did a similar thing, putting power into both sides of a Jaguar, and found that it was unresponsive afterward.

ianonavy 16-02-2012 08:10

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Don't wire motors directly into the power distribution board and turn the robot on.

PayneTrain 16-02-2012 09:09

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Don't let freshmen drill on your electronics board by hanging it over the table when you aren't looking, causing a giant crack to form in the Lexan you and your squad spent hours working on making the biggest, best board we ever made... in Week 6.

Why me.

Anupam Goli 16-02-2012 09:34

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Never ever EVER let the mechanical engineer guys design places for electronics to go and wires to go. They will put it under a giant rotating arm and make it impossible to wire anything there. Always design it yourself or find a place and be firm about it.

DavidB96 16-02-2012 09:47

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i put a wire connected to a bettery, much smoke. then a friend did it to prove what happened, and he got in trouble for it!:yikes:

rsisk 16-02-2012 09:50

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Never forget to secure the robot crate in the back of a pickup when driving. It will fly out of the truck.

Nothing more bizarre than watching a 400lb crate catch wind and lift up and out of the trucks bed. Also, the truck stops faster than the 400lb crate sliding down the road, it rear ended me.

Robot survived.

My reputation didn't :)

Andrew Lawrence 16-02-2012 09:50

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Don't trust your non-driver friends with the controls for a moment. You think they won't shoot you in the face, they will.

compboy07 17-02-2012 00:55

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Leave the driver station on only the Classmate or not make redundant backups. Ours failed on the day we were supposed to have driver training, which led to a mess particularly because we had lost the LabView install media.

Ankit S. 17-02-2012 01:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNerd256 (Post 1127956)
Don't trust your non-driver friends with the controls for a moment. You think they won't shoot you in the face, they will.

I'm sorry, but that video was hilarious!

Don't put your #25 master links next to a tool set; when that tool set falls over and hides the master links, a frantic 30 minute search occurs. :yikes:

LemmingBot 17-02-2012 21:19

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Plugging your 5 volt camera in to a 12 volt supply. We don't know who did this... it might have been me... probably was me...

Taylor Hawkins 17-02-2012 21:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wing (Post 1127948)
Never ever EVER let the mechanical engineer guys design places for electronics to go and wires to go. They will put it under a giant rotating arm and make it impossible to wire anything there.

^^ Did that this year except it was an electrical engineer that decided to put it there! He didn't quite think that one through.

Hinfoiltat 17-02-2012 23:28

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Don't force motors to turn :x


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