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Mr V 21-02-2012 02:56
Re: 30 lb Withholding? for rookies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by swwrobotics (Post 1131140)
Don't bumpers also count towards the weight limit?
Yes if you carry in bumpers in instead of bagging and tagging them they count as part of that 30lb limit

jvriezen 21-02-2012 08:06
Re: 30 lb Withholding? for rookies?
 
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Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 1130755)
Bolded emphasis is mine to point out THIS IS WRONG!




Nowhere in this rule does it say that identical spares are free to bring in not counting against your witholding. That rule hasn't existed since at least 2009 when the witholding allowence was introduced. Please READ THE FIRST MANUAL (RTFM) and make sure you know the CURRENT rules.

BTW You can make spares and put them in one of you 2 available bags so that they don't count toward the 30 lbs.
I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing it out.

Peter Matteson 21-02-2012 09:02
Re: 30 lb Withholding? for rookies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jvriezen (Post 1131517)
I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing it out.
No problem. I don't mean to seem harsh with my comments but this is a poersonal pet peeve because most so many people think we still operate under this rule and cheat by bringing these types of parts in not included in their 30 lbs.

MisterG 21-02-2012 21:02
Re: 30 lb Withholding? for rookies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Matteson (Post 1130755)


30lbs only applies to fabricated parts that aren't identical spares for what is already in your bag. While the pits are open you build/modify like it is still build season, except of course for the spark/flame restriction.

Bolded emphasis is mine to point out THIS IS WRONG!

Nowhere in this rule does it say that identical spares are free to bring in not counting against your witholding. That rule hasn't existed since at least 2009 when the witholding allowence was introduced. Please READ THE FIRST MANUAL (RTFM) and make sure you know the CURRENT rules.

BTW You can make spares and put them in one of you 2 available bags so that they don't count toward the 30 lbs.
If we take R26 extremely literally then its illegal to bring any COTS materials into the tournament other than what comes in the bags. To say this another way, it you assume that R26 dictates everything that can be brought into the tournament, Fabricated or COTS then you have to conclude that it is not permissible to bring in any COTS materials since R26 only permits Fabricated items.

Just sayin'

Alan Anderson 21-02-2012 23:18
Re: 30 lb Withholding? for rookies?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterG (Post 1132087)
If we take R26 extremely literally then its illegal to bring any COTS materials into the tournament other than what comes in the bags. To say this another way, it you assume that R26 dictates everything that can be brought into the tournament, Fabricated or COTS then you have to conclude that it is not permissible to bring in any COTS materials since R26 only permits Fabricated items.
<R26> doesn't "permit" Fabricated items. It limits them. No rule limits the amount of raw material or COTS parts.

Bill_B 22-02-2012 00:31
Re: 30 lb Withholding? for rookies?
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson (Post 1132220)
<R26> doesn't "permit" Fabricated items. It limits them. No rule limits the amount of raw material or COTS parts.
Good point and well stated. I would only add that it limits parts that are going to be used on your robot.

MisterG 22-02-2012 13:38
Re: 30 lb Withholding? for rookies?
 
Yesterday team FRC1625 posted a relevant question to the Q&A. That question has been answered (emphasis mine):

Q. if hypothetically you have and assembly with cots (jags and motors) and it weighs 37 pounds and you weigh the cots to be 9 pounds so the net fabricated weight is 28pounds. do you have to take the cots parts off to bring it into competition?
A. Teams may bring up to 30 pounds of Fabricated Items items to the competition. COTS parts are not relevant to the 30 lb allowance and may be brought in any number to the competition. However, per the definition of Fabricated Item, once any Component has been modified (including assembly to other COTS items) it is no longer a COTS item and is now a Fabricated Item. If the COTS items were removed from the larger assembly and otherwise unmodified, they would be considered COTS items.


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