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tomy 24-02-2012 20:44

Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
What is the difference?

My team is using a short shooter that can shoot 25 feet and hit the same spot + or - 4 inches. All I see this year is tall shooters.

Koko Ed 24-02-2012 20:46

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
What about mid?

Kohala2460 24-02-2012 20:47

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
easier to block the short guy ;). why do you think you dont see any...... shorter ethnicities playing basketball

nitneylion452 24-02-2012 20:48

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
The reasoning behind tall shooters is that the ball is already starting at a higher altitude, so it can go further with less power.


With that being said, we have a mid level shooter.

tomy 24-02-2012 20:48

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
With a taller shooter aren't you more likely to tip over though

artdutra04 24-02-2012 20:48

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kohala2460 (Post 1134377)
easier to block the short guy ;). why do you think you dont see any...... shorter ethnicities playing basketball

Not necessarily. It's entirely possible to design short shooters that shoot at an angle that's impossible to block. (E.g. the ball is over 60" above the ground by the time it leaves the robot's frame perimeter).

Rangel 24-02-2012 20:50

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
One reason why our team chose to go with a tall shooter was because we were afraid that teams would try to block our shots. If our shooter is at almost the maximum height limit though, we don't ever have to worry about that since robots trying to block our shots can't be higher than 60". That being said, making a taller shooter adds more weight. A pick and choose thing.

Kohala2460 24-02-2012 20:53

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
If you shoot at too much of an angle, lets go to the extreme and say 89 degrees. itll take "forever" to get there, and the shot is very unlikely to get there depending on the conditions of the building you are shooting in.

Duke461 24-02-2012 20:54

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
What's considered a tall shooter? Our shooter is somewhere around 45-50 inches, im not really sure which side to vote on........
IMO, ~45-50 in. is optimal.

-Duke

BrendanB 24-02-2012 20:57

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kohala2460 (Post 1134377)
easier to block the short guy ;). why do you think you dont see any...... shorter ethnicities playing basketball

Not true. This was our thinking this season but if you design your robot right you can get a low shooter exiting your robot area to clear a tall robot. Our robot has the balls exiting around 30inches from the floor and easily clear a tall robot.


I love short robots. They are very maneuverable and have a smaller chance of tipping. Its the little things that can really give a robot an edge against other competition.

AllenGregoryIV 24-02-2012 20:58

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
We designed a tall shooter to hopefully prevent our camera from being blocked. No matter what the the angle of your shooter is, if your camera is low enough to be blocked it's going to be very hard to get an accurate shot. We did try to keep as much of our weight as low as possible.

midway78224 24-02-2012 20:59

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1134389)
We designed a tall shooter to hopefully prevent our camera from being blocked. No matter what the the angle of your shooter is, if your camera is low enough to be blocked it's going to be very hard to get an accurate shot. We did try to keep as much of our weight as low as possible.

This is why we designed a tall shooter too; we didn't want our camera to be blocked.

JB987 24-02-2012 21:08

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
What about a short shooter with an elevated camera?

midway78224 24-02-2012 21:15

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1134393)
What about a short shooter with an elevated camera?


This would work too. I guess it just depends on the team and what their design calls for. Our kids decide they like the tall shooter the best.

coldfusion1279 24-02-2012 21:18

Re: Tall Shooters vs Small Shooters
 
Short shooters have a lower CoG and are easier to balance on the bridge. We have a short shooter, and our decision had nothing to do with being blocked or being tipped.

In fact, if we are shooting from the key, we figure no team will be silly enough to get close to block our shots without us drawing the foul. Also, if you shoot from the back of the robot, the shot can pretty much clear a 5 foot obstruction unless the shooter is on the ground floor of your robot.


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