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I guess they contacted as they were flipped over?

I hope not, because that sounds completely ridiculous.

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If that was the case, it would presumably be a [G44] call. No foul on 148.

There is no rule that prohibits tipping, true. But strategies aimed at the disablement or tipping of other robots are disallowed. Not having seen the tip, I can't say whether it was a strategy aimed at tipping or not; it is possible to have that strategy without making it obvious (my team's been on the receiving end of those before)--and if it isn't obvious, the refs probably won't call it.

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I can say with certainty that they paused when they realized they were about to tip 148, then pushed forward as hard as they could. The coach behind the human player on that side was even clapping.

Largely irrelevant, but this happened to our team in 2006.

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That was part of the game back then. We were responsible for tipping many robots in 2006 and before. That also looks a lot less intentional than the tipping of 148.

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The post-tip ramming was what I was referencing, sorry.

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Yes, that was uncalled for.

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When will the matches be available for viewing? Will they be on youtube? A different source?

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As 148 was being pushed, they rode up and landed on the angled surface above the bumpers of the defending robot. By the rules, that is contact outside the bumper zone.

(After that, the defending robot drove forward, pushing 148 into the blue lane and eventually over. The rest is history...)

Again, I am playing devil's advocate here - I have no stance on the matter, just curious...

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The level of play in the 488 alliance v. 148 alliance and 148 alliance v. 231 alliance was simply off the charts. If that "sets the bar" for week one I really can't wait for week two!

I know the GDC reserved the right to change the point amount for the triple balance, but for now it looks just about right. It is a lot of points, but the other alliances always had a way to make it close. It will be interesting to see how alliances can cut that time down as the season progresses, and how trapping robots on the field evolves.

This game is a ton of fun to watch. :)

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Okay, so first off, Alamo totally made the 6 hour round trip of driving worth it. Epic eliminations, even in some of the quarters.

About 148 in the finals. I'd like to point out that 148 was actually incredibly lucky they we're playing for their lives in match 2 of the finals. In match 1, 457 did a great defense job on 148, started to back off, then made a wrong move and touched the red bridge. 148 proceeded to fail at balancing for reasons completely unrelated to 457 touching the bridge. 148 still won that match because interfering with a balance means that bridge counts for maximum points. If it wasn't for a silly slip by the 457 driver, 148 would have been in a much worse position in match 2. Weird random stuff happens in the finals. When two strong alliances face-off it's almost a guarantee something weird is going to happen that you can blame the loss on. In this case 148 lost, so it's the no-call. If the refs made that call, it'd be that oops touch of the bridge by 457.

And thanks go out to the awesome teams that put on such a great show in the elims for my benefit. That'd be 118, 148, 231, 457, 488, 922, 1477, 2848, 2936, 3103, 3325, and 3481.

Congrats to the winners and finalists and especially to 2158 on their Chairman's and 3103 for their second in a row Engineering Inspiration at Alamo. That's not easy and they sure deserve it.

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G26]

Strategies aimed at the destruction or inhibition of Robots via attachment, damage, tipping or entanglement of Robots are not in the spirit of the FRC and are not allowed.
Violation: Technical-Foul plus Yellow Card

For example, use of wedge-like mechanisms to flip Robots would be considered a violation.

But i was watching the web cast like everyone else the refs made the right call. Iam sure there will be talk within the next week among refs about this call/no call. remember we as refs make calls in real time and we cant see everything so go easy on Us.

Yes it was a shame they tipped but it was not the first time this has happened in an event and it will not be the last.
congrats to all week One teams and good luck to week two teams.

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Thank you Alamo regional for an exciting round of week 1 elimination matches. Having 3 vs 5 in the finals showed how balanced the elimination alliances ended up being and the level of play put on by some of the lower seeded alliances was amazing.

The 1 vs 5 semi-final was truly spectacular. I don't know how many other elimination rounds we will see that show two contrasting alliance strategies (bridge versus ball scoring) so prominently.

Ready for week 2 now.

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Thank you to everyone that made Alamo possible this year, including all the teams. I was only inspecting but it was such a fun event and you couldn't ask for a more exciting way to start off FIRST season.

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On behalf of FRC Team 4063 – TrikzR4kiDz I would like to thank everyone for their gracious hospitality to our team. We are a rookie team in every sense of the word and we really appreciate all the words of wisdom and suggestions that were presented to us during the Alamo Regional Event. We had an awesome time and look forward to seeing y'all again next year.

Thanks again,

Mr. Billeaudeau

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On behalf of Team 2080, Torbotics, I'd like to thank each and every person that made the Alamo Regional possible. We were working out some bugs on our robot up through Saturday morning, but thanks to the amazing group of people offering their continuous support, things were straightened out. I'd post a list thanking everyone that aided our team, but it would just go on. This weekend was truly one to "remember" ;)