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It was 148 922 and 2936 who had the triple balance!

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that comeback with the 3-robot balance was truly amazing! Congrats on pulling it off!

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TRIPLE BALANCE TWO!

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Im rooting for 148.

These matches are awesome.
148 won.

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If I see another triple balance, then I think I'm going to eat a cRio!

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I think they're going to go for the triple again. 118, 488 and 3325 just need to double and be up by 20+, I can see a really close one.

Maybe they'll both go for the triple again!

EDIT: They're going for a third. This will be good.

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3/3

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nooooooooooooooo.......


what happened to xbot? i couldn't see the robot.

:(

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Oh my goodness what just happened?

I cannot believe 148 922 and 2836 won that.

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I'm going to go ahead and call that the most exciting set of three games EVER.

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That triple at the end with half of 2936's robot hanging off the end of the ramp while 922 was oriented long-ways was incredible!

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WOW! All 118 needed was 1 bot on the bridge and they would've won.

Now on to the FINALS!

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Can't believe the refs didn't call that, that was completely deliberate.

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How did 148 tip?

Alamo, full of drama today! If only the livestream didn't freeze <_<

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I agree, but you cant blame the blue robot for persisting with his defense... it was a pushing fight and 148 just happened to be rocking too much.

So while it was a bit deliberate, i can see why the refs didn't call it.

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Great no call. Let them play.

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I don't know, from what I saw he stopped while under 148's bumper to decide what to do, then charged forward with the intent of tipping him.

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the rules say you cant use a mechanism for tipping robots
looked legal because it looked like it was all bumper on bumper.

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Apparently the bandwidth in South Texas can't handle how awesome these games are.

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To me it looked like 148 was rocked backward, and the defending machine charged into them pushing them until they tipped over.
If the defending machine was not there 148 would have fallen back onto their wheels.

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Agreed.

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It was a clean play. All bumper.

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Intent should factor in just as much, and it looked to be pretty intentional. It looks like they're pausing to review that match at the moment as well.

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The reason everyone is angry is because when 148 started to tip the team pushing them didn't back off, they just kept right on pushing. It wasn't necessarily against the rules but it was bad form....

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Don't forget the location. The robot playing defense on 148 can argue that they were attempting to go into the lane.

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WHAT AN UPSET IS RIGHT!

That was amazing, well played blue.

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NOO they lost. :(
148 lost...

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Alamo just had the craziest finals matches! Best regional I have seen in a long time!!!:D

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now that no-call comes up BIG

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Exciting regional, I'd like to say that I'm not disappointed by the outcome, but....

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This game is very crazy no team can be dominate in it me thinks.

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148 shouldn't have gone for the triple. A double would have won it. Nice try though

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The commentating during the last seconds of the final match was priceless.

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I'm surprised that the manipulator on 148 isn't able to right the bot.

I'm glad the tip wasn't called, the games were a lot more fun when there was a lot of tipping.

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I would tend to agree, every robot is subject to flipping (even more so because of these bridges) and it can really turn the match around.

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QFT

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No it would have been tied 50-50

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You're forgetting the penalty points

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It would have been 56 - 50 in reds favor.

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never mind the final score was 36-50 not 30-50

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That has no merit to whether they fouled 148 or not. It was VERY obvious that they were not trying to get to their alley and where just playing defense.


After the last match the webcast rewound and showed the tip of 148 and after seeing the whole altercation it was very clearly intentional and something should have been called.

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Read G26:
It wasn't a strategy, it was a result of pushing bumper to bumper. It "just happened". Its clear that they made the proper call (in my eyes).

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eric can you point out the rule that said they committed a foul?

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I'd say it was very clearly within the rules. Even though it's impossible to prove, they had malicious intent, as can clearly be seen through the footage of the event. Weren't they also the same robot who stopped 148 from doing the triple balance in the previous match?

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i dont see a rule ..........

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....Which is basically what I was trying to say. There isn't a rule that prevents you from tipping other robots over, however I think most of us can agree that deliberately disabling other robots isn't in the spirit of the competition.

honour, etc

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For the sake of playing devil's advocate, should 148 not have gotten a foul for contact outside the bumper zone?

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Who did 148 contact outside the bumper zone(I might have missed it)?

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These were some of the best matches I've ever seen. The triple balance has a huge advantage in finals as proven by 148. I can't wait to see how the rest of the season plays out!

Something I noticed not just in the final match but in many others is that alliances are risking multiple robots on the bridge when sometimes just 1 (or in 148's case 2) robots would guarantee a win. I think all coaches should be careful when making these calls in the future.

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Agreed.

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I guess they contacted as they were flipped over?

I hope not, because that sounds completely ridiculous.

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If that was the case, it would presumably be a [G44] call. No foul on 148.

There is no rule that prohibits tipping, true. But strategies aimed at the disablement or tipping of other robots are disallowed. Not having seen the tip, I can't say whether it was a strategy aimed at tipping or not; it is possible to have that strategy without making it obvious (my team's been on the receiving end of those before)--and if it isn't obvious, the refs probably won't call it.

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I can say with certainty that they paused when they realized they were about to tip 148, then pushed forward as hard as they could. The coach behind the human player on that side was even clapping.

Largely irrelevant, but this happened to our team in 2006.

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That was part of the game back then. We were responsible for tipping many robots in 2006 and before. That also looks a lot less intentional than the tipping of 148.

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The post-tip ramming was what I was referencing, sorry.

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Yes, that was uncalled for.

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When will the matches be available for viewing? Will they be on youtube? A different source?

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As 148 was being pushed, they rode up and landed on the angled surface above the bumpers of the defending robot. By the rules, that is contact outside the bumper zone.

(After that, the defending robot drove forward, pushing 148 into the blue lane and eventually over. The rest is history...)

Again, I am playing devil's advocate here - I have no stance on the matter, just curious...

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The level of play in the 488 alliance v. 148 alliance and 148 alliance v. 231 alliance was simply off the charts. If that "sets the bar" for week one I really can't wait for week two!

I know the GDC reserved the right to change the point amount for the triple balance, but for now it looks just about right. It is a lot of points, but the other alliances always had a way to make it close. It will be interesting to see how alliances can cut that time down as the season progresses, and how trapping robots on the field evolves.

This game is a ton of fun to watch. :)

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Okay, so first off, Alamo totally made the 6 hour round trip of driving worth it. Epic eliminations, even in some of the quarters.

About 148 in the finals. I'd like to point out that 148 was actually incredibly lucky they we're playing for their lives in match 2 of the finals. In match 1, 457 did a great defense job on 148, started to back off, then made a wrong move and touched the red bridge. 148 proceeded to fail at balancing for reasons completely unrelated to 457 touching the bridge. 148 still won that match because interfering with a balance means that bridge counts for maximum points. If it wasn't for a silly slip by the 457 driver, 148 would have been in a much worse position in match 2. Weird random stuff happens in the finals. When two strong alliances face-off it's almost a guarantee something weird is going to happen that you can blame the loss on. In this case 148 lost, so it's the no-call. If the refs made that call, it'd be that oops touch of the bridge by 457.

And thanks go out to the awesome teams that put on such a great show in the elims for my benefit. That'd be 118, 148, 231, 457, 488, 922, 1477, 2848, 2936, 3103, 3325, and 3481.

Congrats to the winners and finalists and especially to 2158 on their Chairman's and 3103 for their second in a row Engineering Inspiration at Alamo. That's not easy and they sure deserve it.

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G26]

Strategies aimed at the destruction or inhibition of Robots via attachment, damage, tipping or entanglement of Robots are not in the spirit of the FRC and are not allowed.
Violation: Technical-Foul plus Yellow Card

For example, use of wedge-like mechanisms to flip Robots would be considered a violation.

But i was watching the web cast like everyone else the refs made the right call. Iam sure there will be talk within the next week among refs about this call/no call. remember we as refs make calls in real time and we cant see everything so go easy on Us.

Yes it was a shame they tipped but it was not the first time this has happened in an event and it will not be the last.
congrats to all week One teams and good luck to week two teams.

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Thank you Alamo regional for an exciting round of week 1 elimination matches. Having 3 vs 5 in the finals showed how balanced the elimination alliances ended up being and the level of play put on by some of the lower seeded alliances was amazing.

The 1 vs 5 semi-final was truly spectacular. I don't know how many other elimination rounds we will see that show two contrasting alliance strategies (bridge versus ball scoring) so prominently.

Ready for week 2 now.

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Thank you to everyone that made Alamo possible this year, including all the teams. I was only inspecting but it was such a fun event and you couldn't ask for a more exciting way to start off FIRST season.

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On behalf of FRC Team 4063 – TrikzR4kiDz I would like to thank everyone for their gracious hospitality to our team. We are a rookie team in every sense of the word and we really appreciate all the words of wisdom and suggestions that were presented to us during the Alamo Regional Event. We had an awesome time and look forward to seeing y'all again next year.

Thanks again,

Mr. Billeaudeau

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On behalf of Team 2080, Torbotics, I'd like to thank each and every person that made the Alamo Regional possible. We were working out some bugs on our robot up through Saturday morning, but thanks to the amazing group of people offering their continuous support, things were straightened out. I'd post a list thanking everyone that aided our team, but it would just go on. This weekend was truly one to "remember" ;)

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My son tells me about a rather disturbing incident at Alamo.

Evidently, when 148 was called up to receive their award as finalist, there was dead silence.

Come on guys! 148 is a valient competitor and I've never seen them act in a way that doesn't display gracious professionalism. By eliminating the number 1 seed and being the only team to put together an alliance capability to triple hang, they've earned the right to be finalists.

They deserve better.

On behalf of my son, I offer my sincere apologies. 148 has been a great team and a great friend to my son's team. I look forward to seeing you do even better at the JCP Regional in Dallas.

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I was at the award ceremonies for Alamo and wouldn't in any way call it dead silence. Members of my team and most fans were cheering. In most cases the really load noise and cheering for awards is led by the team that wins them. In this case some members of 148 may have been in a slightly less than ecstatic mood after a perceived no call eliminated them from competition. 148 is an extremely important member of the Texas robotics community and everyone here loves and respects them however they have never been the most spirited team and they take pride in their professionalism (going so far as not participating in the wave or other group spirit things during events, JVN wrote a bit about that at some point). It was in no way a reflection of teams not supporting power houses and especially not a power house that will go above and beyond to help every team they possibly can. It was quieter than other team's responses but that is because 148 was quieter than other teams and there is nothing wrong with that.

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When 148 goes down to take their Awards walk, everyone in the stands should cross their arms. 148 has taken a lot of pride in using that gesture to show strength and intimidation. It would be a gesture they would understand and appreciate since they don't like to wave or cheer. I think it would be amazing to see everyone with their arms crossed.

:)

Jane

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Regarding the 148 tip... I am surprised no one has mentioned 148's very unstable drivetrain as a primary reason for this tip. If you watch the match video prior to the tip, they are rocking and swaying constantly every time they change direction. Very unstable. When the defender got under their bumper, is was because 148 had tipped up on their own just before the defender made contact. The tip-over happened very quickly as the defender was following through with their push. No way you can call it intentional or strategic. 148 has some issues to deal with regarding the stability of their pneumatic tires and wheel arrangement.

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2468 had a great time at Alamo. Thanks to 245 and 2969 for being part of our alliance in the quarterfinals. It was a great pleasure to have each of you on our alliance.

It was great to compete with all of the teams in attendance there.

I was totally shocked when the opposing alliance got the triple balance in the second match of our quarterfinals. I thought 148 was going to tip us over twice trying to get to the bridge. 245 was waiting on us at our bridge and we thought had left with enough time but to no avail. Congrats to 148, 2936 and 922 on the victory.

Defense is a underestimated part of this game than I think that many have previously thought especially in the eliminations.

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I disagree. It was pretty obvious that the opponent stopped to pause for a second when 148 was off the ground but not tipped. They then continued to follow through and finish the tip.

This happens all the time and never gets penalized though. I immediately thought to myself that it was an intentional tip, but there was no way they would get called for it.

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I would measure it as closer to 1/10th of a second. But my point was about the lack of stability being the root cause of the tip-over. This push would not have tipped over our robot or many others I have seen so far. There is no way a defender can know whether a particular robot is going to tip or just slide when pushed. That is only revealed when it happens, and it happens very quickly. If you build an unstable, top heavy robot this is a risk you take. A defender in the fender zone of this game can't be asked to back off of a pushing situation just because the other robot is one that is prone to tipping.

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Quick question: does anybody know about how long it takes for match videos to be uploaded to The Blue Alliance?

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Anywhere from two days to never. Literally. We don't even know if anyone has recorded the matches, so there's no way of telling if they'll ever make it up.

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I'll second the "never." I have sent them many matches that were needed and they were never posted. TBA ain't what it used to be.

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I'm the lead mentor for 1477 and I know with certainty that tipping 148 was not the strategy for our alliance. 457's assignment was to keep 148 from getting their easy two point layups, just as 2936 was keeping us from getting ours. While the coach for 457 may have been clapping after 148 got tipped, a camera trained on me would have shown I was also pretty ecstatic. Without 148, I knew we had most likely just won the second Final's match.

I'm glad everyone found the final's matches as exciting as I did. I would also like to thank 231 for selecting us and 457 for doing such a great defensive job. That was so much fun!

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On behalf of FRC Team 2969 we want to thank you both FRC team 2468 and
FRC Team 245 for picking us to be on your alliance it was a great honor after a not so stellar weekend. We look forward to the chance at working with you guys again in future competitions.

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For those who weren't able to see it.

22:25

http://www.alamo-first.org/component...c-webcast.html

Everyone gets their own opinion, but what matters is what the refs are taught by Dr. Aidan Browne.

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Watching this again reinforces my opinion. 148 makes an abrupt move which causes them to tip severely on their own just before the defender makes contact. 148's wheels are literally over the defender's bumper as the defender moves in. It was very bad luck and timing for 148, but you cannot expect the defender to stop their move or anticipate what was going to happen in a split second. FRC involves pushing. Sometimes if the interaction is just right (wrong), tall robots on bouncy wheels get pushed over. It happens.

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Two people look at the same video and see completely different things. In full disclosure, I obviously work at IFI, but that does not matter in this case as my opinion would be the same no matter who the two robots were.

jspatz1, I am with you except for one very crucial detail: the defending robot drove about 4 feet before 148 tipped. That is, to me, intentional tipping. I don't care how "tippy" a robot is. As a matter of fact, the red robot on the 148 alliance had several opportunities to do the exact same thing to Texas Torque when their robot's front wheels "tipped" up, but they did not. That is the difference between clean defense and not clean defense. I am certain that was not the alliance's strategy going in, but that is irrelevant as the actions are clear, to me, from the video.

Again, this are just the facts as I see them. I usually do not like speaking for others, but if this exact action happened at IRI when Andy Baker was reffing it would definitely have been a DQ. With Stu reffing I bet it will be a DQ at IRI this year.

Paul

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Do I think 148's drivetrain partially caused the tip, yes. Do I think 457 intentionally tipped 148 after 148 landed on top of them, yes. If 457 wasnt intentionall trying to tip 148 over they would have driven backwards after being landed on by another robot. To me, that shows reckless care of one's robot to the point of intention.I'd say this event was a 90/10 share of tipping.(90% = 457 and 10% = 148)

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I accept your opinion Paul and defer to your immensely greater amount of FRC experience. Its one of those questions that is only answered in the mind of the student driver. Did he see what was happening quickly enough too know for sure what was going to happen if he kept going? Was he an experienced veteran or a new driver full of adrenaline in his first FRC final? I'm not sure in the excitement of the moment I could have backed off of the push soon enough with my old man's reflexes, but maybe a student driver should have. Anyway, the tip was surely a combination of some very unfortunate rocking/timing for 148, and some aggressive driving from the defender. It wouldn't have happened without both. I'm not experienced enough to know what the right call was.

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I should hope not.

At worst, this should have been a technical foul + yellow card, per [G26]. [T17] permits the Head Ref to give Red Cards for "particularly egregious" behavior, but this is a tricky call that we can all agree was not premeditated by more than a couple seconds.

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Coincidentally, a tech foul + yellow would have still resulted in a red win and 148 taking the regional championship in this particular case. But yes, [G26] lists a very specific penalty for this, and that penalty isn't an instant red card and DQ.

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While I think the conversation regarding 148's tip has been civil and generally productive, I rarely have good feelings when a call or non-call is the main topic of conversation after an event. Coming from a team that has benifited from some questionable calls in the past, it was disheartening to read all the discussions after the event revolving around the the non-call or decision by the head ref. Instead of celebrating my team's accomplishment, myself and my team had to listen to discussions questioning if we should have won or not. From what I've seen and heard, Alamo was a fantastic event. I just hope the win by 231-1477-457 and all the amazing things that occured during the event don't get overshadowed by one 2 second play.

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This is correct, it should have been a yellowcard. HOWEVER, there also should have been a redcard dolled out with the balancing interference in match 1, resulting in a yellowcard being carried into match #2, and the [G26] resulting in a double yellowcard->redcard.

This is a really crappy way to end a regional, but if all rules are being followed, this is what should have happened. I'm with Paul on this one that it falls under the jurisdiction of [G26], and I felt that way when I saw it live. Whether or not it was in the mind of the driver to try to tip them, whether it happened too fast, or was just an adrenaline-fueled reaction is irrelevant here: when you drive 4 feet with a team's chassis partially on top of you, and then back up and they fall, that has to be called as intentional by the refs because the ONLY thing they have to go off of is what they see.

It has nothing to do with the reactions of the driveteam afterwards. Regardless of if it was intentional or not, that's the natural reaction to a situation unfold that likely means you're going to a 3rd match. What it has to do with is the actions of 457 directly resulting in 148 tipping over. Watching the video it is clear to me that

1) 148 was rocking back at the time of contact, but not very far. They would not have tipped over had 457 not contacted them.

2) 457 continued to push forward towards 148 after they were clearly underneath them, an action which resulted in 148 tipping over.

I want to stress that I do not think 457 had any malicious intent to tip over 148. I am simply commenting on the fact that in situations such as this, it is impossible for the refs to read minds, and they MUST rule based on what they see. This has to be called as [G26], as similar actions have (or should have) in previous years.

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John, you are wise.

Perhaps the celebratory and happy posts could be made in an Alamo Congratulatory/Thank You thread created in this forum.

It's not unusual for teams from an event that has transpired to start a Thank You thread and it is an appropriate response after a weekend of competition.

Jane

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Yes, I am defending my team -- but there have been several assumptions made by folks commenting on this thread.

When you see that team celebrating when 148 tipped over in round 2 of the finals, that was NOT my team! Team 457 was at the other side of the court. The celebrating team were our allies. Our driver could not see the predicament that the 148 robot was in as clearly as you see it in the video because his view was obscured by the baskets and backboards, not to mention our robot itself, which was between 148 and our driver. I can tell you first-hand that it was not our strategy to tip another robot. Teams 231 and 1477 selected us to join them because they wanted us to play defense, and to try to prevent 148 from scoring baskets, and we are very glad they did! Our team was just trying to keep 148 away from the baskets.

You should also take note of the fact that 148 tipped over in all three games of the finals, and that our robot was nowhere near them when those other accidents took place. 148 was, unfortunately, a bit top-heavy.

Some folks think we should have been penalized for 148's fall, but there is no rule that says that our robot has to run away when another robot becomes unstable -- otherwise the winning strategy would be to just design an unstable robot.

I will also point out that our team didn't make a peep when we were hit with a 49-point penalty for incidental contact with 148 or the bridge just before they lined up for a three-way robot balance attempt in the game before, although I can tell you I thought the penalty was outrageous. Unfortunately, my view of the contact was blocked by the head of somebody in front of me during the competition -- so I couldn't even tell whether it was with the bridge or with the robot, I could only see the parts of the robots above the bumpers. If you are able to see the first game of the finals on video, you will see that we backed away from the bridge and let the opposing team attempt the balance -- but there was some incidental contact just before that which is not in the video.

Celebrate that 148 was the first to demonstrate the triple balance in competition. As the defending Alamo champions, they were worthy opponents and crowd favorites.

I am a rookie mentor, but from day one I heard from my team what a great robot 148 had last year -- and how lucky we would be if we were chosen to be teamed up with them this year for the finals.

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Does anyone have video of the triple balance? I might be able to post what I have tomorrow but if anyone else had footage that'd be great.

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DJ, as lead mentor of 2789, I know where you're coming from. My team prides itself on two things: 1) designing & building robots that have a low center of gravity, and 2) playing hard-nosed defense within the rules. Our approach to competing in FRC games has resulted in other teams being neither gracious nor professional towards us, however, in the spirit of FIRST, I do what I can to show my team how to be gracious and professional when dealing with situations like these. I think your response above was thoughtful, and I like how your post both explains your team's approach and is respectful of your competitor.

I am a passionate person, and I know that the FIRST community is full of passionate people. There have been a great deal of posts on here that show that passion. I, of course, have my opinions on these matters, but I would rather show my passion for FIRST in a different way. I'm going to follow Jane's link posted above, and I'm going to write a much longer post about the importance of making human connections and building bridges based on an important lesson my team learned at Alamo this year. I would like to invite everyone else on this thread to follow that link as well, so that we can channel the passion we have for this sport into a much more productive, gracious, and professional manner. Honestly, the arguments could go on forever on this thread, and while several people on all sides have made valid and thoughtful points, I feel like the culture of our regional and the FIRST community would benefit more by focusing on the hard work everyone put into this event and the positive and lasting impact this event will leave on our teams and on our kids.

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Courtesy of the Robowranglers FB page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=509eQ...ature=youtu.be

As to those asking for match videos, no guarantees, but if the scouters saved all the matches, I will try to have them posted to our YouTube channel by Friday. I doubt we'll have the finals, but we should have all the seeding matches.

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I've created a new thread in Thanks & Congrats for Alamo, here's the link: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=104319

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2012 Alamo Videos
UStream has a recording of the entire webcast in 8 multi-hour chunks. Also, 148 linking to my youtube video of the triple balance probably explains the thousand or so hits shortly after it was posted that got it on the trending list. And several thousand MORE hits.

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There are videos of all three Alamo Regional final games on FRC1477 Youtube channel. Unlike the ustream video, the video from 1477 shows the events in round 1 that led up to our 49-point penalty. I've watched it over and over, trying to figure out what I should tell my team not to have done -- but I'm afraid I can't spot the infraction. I just see our robot contact the bar in the center of the court, in between the red alliance bridge and the coopertition bridge after 148 fell off the bridge for the first time. I don't see any attempt to interfere with the balance. The only words I'll be passing along to my team are "great job"!

Again I would like to thank teams 231 and 1477 for picking us for their alliance, and I would like to thank our opponents 148, 922 and 2936 for giving us the most exciting and challenging match we could hope for!

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LauraHood's video of Finals 1 It occurs at exactly 1:58 in this video. Or at exactly 2:29 in the FRC1477 video. 457 runs forward and hits the bridge. I suspect it was an honest mistake, and your driver forgot which way forward was, but I was watching from the blue driver's station side of the field and you pretty clearly bumped the bridge, even if it likely had zero effect on the balancing going on at the time.

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You can't tell what it actually hit (in the video) but 457 bounced off something. The ref's reaction was pretty quick, it must have been the bridge. Looks like driver error - understandable.

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Thanks, Kevin. I see it in Laura Hood's video. From the forward/backward point of view (as with a lot of the robots, there's not much to distinguish our front from our back), it looks like we backed into the bridge.

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It took me a couple days, but I finally got my videos off of my camera.

I had a different angle and you can clearly see the robot hit the bridge at about 2 minutes into the video. (http://youtu.be/twF1OOgIu9I)

It would have been an easy mistake for the driver to make.