2012 MAR Rutgers University District
 

Hey everyone!

MAR Rutgers is starting in less than two weeks, I figured, "hey, let's get a discussion going." I hope everyone is prepared and excited! How are you getting ready? How WILL you be getting ready? We have a lot of strong teams coming to Rutgers; I predict competition and matches will be extremely close and exciting. We shall see what happens when competition day arrives!

I hope everyone is pumped for Rutgers, I know 1676 is. Good luck to all teams! :)

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Hard to believe that it's only 12 days away! I always loved the College Ave Gym, and was sad to see the competition leave in 2003.

I can't wait!

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So excited for it. Gonna be a Jersey blast.


And it's awesome to know that George is gonna be announcing it. Chiniqua as MC too?

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Yup, the dynamic duo is going to be there.

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We are excited, but I was a bit confused by this: Are MAR teams (or just eams going to this specific district event) allowed an extra 6 hours for a total of 12 hours in which we are allowed to take the robot out of the bag, during the week before the competition? My coach told me he received some sort of email about this, saying some teams complained and they made it 12 hours, but I want to confirm. Is it 6 or 12?

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Now I wish we were attending this MAR competition! I still recall taking some Engineering Physics final exams in there with about 400 other students, good times.... Should be a great venue. Best of luck to everyone!

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I wish everyone attending this regional the best of luck! I've been in robotics since I was 5 and I grew up in that college ave gym a few moons ago. It was an awesome time and I hope everyone has a blast. I wish I could be there!

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I have not heard anything about this, perhaps there is some slight confusion.
You get 6 hours per event, but those 6 hours must be used in the 7 days preceding each event. So while you do get 12 hours total, they are separate time blocks.

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Here's the team list, as well as links to the robots revealed so far that I could find:

11
41
56 (another)
75
102
136
203
219
223
224
303
555
613
752
869
1089
1143
1168
1228
1279
1302
1367
1370
1403
1626
1672
1676
1811
1881
1989
2016
2458
2554
2577
3142 (another)
3314
3340
3637
4128
4281
4347

See you all next weekend!

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Here are two more that I found this morning before when I was creating this list for my team.

224
4281

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I tried to tell my coach that, but he said he got some sort of (team update?) e-mail 'that some teams complained about the length of build time during 2 day events' and it was extended to 12 hours of Robot access time during the week of the competition. Has anyone else heard of this email? I dont want our team to get disqualified just for having an extra 6 hours on our robot bag and tag form.

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While I haven't heard one way or the other about the email your mentor is referencing, politely (and respectfully) ask him to print it out. If he can't remember where he saw it or can't find it again, I would STRONGLY suggest erring on the side of caution and NOT working on it for more than 6 hours. LIke you said, you would hate to be ruled ineligible because you worked on it for more than 6 hours.

Another route would be the FIRST Q&A forum and see if you can get an official response there.

Either way best of luck!

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He showed me the e-mail, and it basically was reminding teams about everything in 5.7 , 5.71, and 5.72 in the Robot Transportation section of the manual. Have ANY other MAR (Mid Atlantic Robotics) teams heard of or can confirm that we get an additional 6 hours after using the already given 6 hours in the week prior to a single event? Which would be 12 hours of taking the robot out of the bag.
Will our rookie team get disqualified and not allowed to compete if it turns out those extra 6 hours of taking the robot out of the bag were not allowed? Would hate it if we were kicked out because of that.

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Your best bet? Call FIRST on Monday morning and ask them directly. They would be able to definitively give you an answer. Up until then I would recommend not doing any more than your 6 hours. I can't confirm that you'll be DQ'ed, but I can guarantee that if you did more than your allotted hours, there WILL be ramifications that won't be too pleasant.

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5.7.2 'Robot Access Period' - Schedule

Teams may unlock their robot for a total of 6 hours during the 7-day period preceding any two-day event in which their team will be competing with their robot. The 6 hours may be broken up in any way the team wishes, with the exception that no single access period may be shorter than two hours. The robot must be locked up in between sessions and this must be documented on the Robot Lock-Up Form each time.


You only get 6 hours. Don't open it for 12.

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We just came back from Hatboro-Horsham.
You have the 6 hours to open the robot at your school or where ever you usually work in two hour blocks. After that, when you go to Rutgers (I believe Thursday afternoon for inspections and practice matches), you'll be allowed to open it up once again and keep it open for the remainder of the competition.

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A few tips from Hatboro-Horsham:

• Get inspected as early as you can on Day 0 (Thursday). This makes the "compressed" district time schedule much less stressful the morning of Day 1. This weekend I do not believe they were letting teams go to scheduled practice matches Friday morning unless they were fully inspected. Thursday practice matches required the first "practice" to be a safety inspection and subsequent practices required full inspection. If for whatever reason you can't get completely inspected Thursday, get as much of a partial inspection done to save yourself and the inspectors time Friday morning.
• If at all possible arrive on Day 0 at or before the opening time. This gives you quite a bit of time with the robot unbagged for work, inspection, and practice. For Hatboro-Horsham the pits were open from 4PM to 10PM.
• There will probably be a small practice field at the event. Utilize it early and often to calibrate, check functionality, etc. Hatboro-Horsham had a real bridge and a real barrier. There are significant differences in both of these that the low cost wood versions do not accurately represent. In general, the bridge is more difficult to tip and the barrier is at the proper height and the corners have a radius. We had difficulty with the wood barrier, but had absolutely no problems with the field barrier.
• VERY IMPORTANT: MAKE SURE AN INSPECTOR IS PRESENT WHEN YOU UNBAG AFTER ARRIVAL!
• Ask for help if you need it. Teams are super helpful and day 0 seemed to be slightly lower stress than day 1 at the older regional formats.

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Minor correction: FRIDAY is load-in, pit setup and inspection at Rutgers, and Saturday & Sunday are competition days.

Show up on Thursday and you'll be disappointed :ahh:

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For anyone attending the Rutgers district:

Have an old iPod sitting around, collecting dust? Get a fancy new phone and don't use your iPod anymore? Well put it to good use!

The non-profit organization Music and Memory needs donations of new or used iPods for the treatment of Alzheimer's patients. They personalize each playlist to the individual, finding out about their history and family to develop a mix of music to connect to their past. The results are astounding; patients light up and come back to life.

Team 11, MORT, has partnered with Music and Memory to spread the success to even further. We will be collecting iPods at all of the competitions we're attending, including Rutgers, and hope to teach Music and Memory what Gracious Professionalism is all about. Please see us in our pits if you wish to donate.

For more information please visit http://mort11.org/music and http://musicandmemory.org for more information, including videos showing this amazing transformation.

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Can't wait to see everyone at my lovely university Rutgers!


Katie Stevens

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ah i'm mad that this event takes place right as spring break starts.. i live at Rutgers so normally i could just take a bus but now i'm gonna have to drive up from my house.

oh well it'll be worth it :)

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A couple of us 694 guys will be coming down to watch on Sunday, looks like it's gonna be a fun time! :D

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Webcast Info:
I will be providing the webcast for this MAR event, on behalf of Team 1676. The webcast will be viewable starting Friday afternoon at www.team1676.com

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The webcast is now live at team1676.com!

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Hi guys! I was watching the webcast today. Seemed a bit stuttery at first, but worked fine later on.

Anybody know where I can get match scores and rankings so far? It seems FIRST's website is giving me a 404 error, and The Blue Alliance isn't updated, probably because they gather data from FIRST's site.

https://my.usfirst.org/myarea/index....CA1CpIyj183FBF
Click Match Results/Standings/Awards on the above page, and you get an error.

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Theyre working on uploading them now.

Top 8 as of Saturday night:

1: 1676
2: 1302
3:1279
4: 224
5: 1403
6: 56
7: 223
8: 4128

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Hey guys. I'm gonna be driving up tomorrow to cheer on my former team :) does anyone know where we can park? I assume the lot right behind the gym is fine but I know there's a lot of lots on college ave and the parking deck is pretty close too (i go to ru) so am I correct about the lot behind the gym? thanks!

There is indeed a lot behind the gym, but I am not sure how fast it fills up.

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What are the final awards tally at the event?
The FIRST page is not listing them.

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Don't suppose anybody has video of the awards ceremony? Apparently my team got discouraged after having quite a few robot issues and decided to leave right before they won the Coopertition Award...

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Congrats to our friends on 2016 and 1403 for being Finalists. I know you both wanted more.

And of course congrats to my home team, MORT, for a well deserved Chairman's :)

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Well, my blood pressure has gone down, I still don't have a voice, and I am exhausted beyond believe. That could only mean that this event was an amazing success, and it is now time for thank-you's and congrats.

56 and 1370 - Thanks for being such great alliance partners. Some of our matches were so unbelievably close, with winning our first Quarter-Final match due to some hidden if-you-get-a-tie-in-the-elimination-rounds extra point rule, only advancing to the Finals by winning our third Semi-Final match by a single point, and going in to our third match in the Finals not expecting our robot to have any communication. I am still in a state of astounding shock, and am again and again reliving through my mind the feeling of counting down the seconds with both alliances double-balanced on the bridge, waiting for the match to end, hoping nothing would move, fearing that any opposing imbounder-thrown ball would cost us the match. 56, we can't wait to see you at Mt. Olive; our ball feeding strategy couldn't have worked better. 1370, I know you’ll do great at Lenape; your defense was invaluable to our alliance.

1403, 2016, 3515, and 203 - Congrats on being finalists, you guys put on an awesome fight. You deserved to win just as much as we did, and we were honored to play against you. Good luck in your future competitions. 2016, we can't wait to compete with you again in New York City this weekend, hopefully this time WITH you =).

75 - Wow. Your team is beyond words. I honestly don't know how you all can still talk and stand after this past weekend (How is my voice gone but yours aren’t!? =P). Even though your robot had the same comm issues that we did at first, you guys never gave up any of your hope or enthusiasm. Not only did you cheer for your own team, but fellow teams as well, even when you were competing against them. You are the true embodiment of Gracious Professionalism, and our team is so glad to be friends with you. Congrats on winning the EI and the Industrial Safety Award; even when times were tough, you made the best of it. We can only aspire to try to be like you.

11 – A huge congrats on Chairman’s and Website. You guys rightfully deserved it. I hope your Music and Memory collection went well this past weekend, that’s a great charity. I loved seeing your Kinetic Player down there, it seemed to work out well for you guys. Your new ‘Kinetic Mode’ shirts were also a hit, any chance you will be selling them?

223 – Another extremely kind and spirited team. We wish you the best of luck at Lenape, you know we’ll be rooting for you. Even though you didn’t win an award this past weekend, I saw you still dancing during the Finals, which was truly inspiring. I’m sure we’ll see you again in Philly. Also, thanks Steven for hooking me up with a pair of your flame pants ;).

4281, 4347, and 4128 – Congrats on all three rookies at the event getting awards! Rookie Inspiration, Rookie All-Star, and Highest Rookie Seed, respectfully. We know we’ll watch you grow in the future.

Finally, thanks for everyone else who helped the first ever Rutgers University MAR District Event run smoothly, we were almost never behind schedule. Congrats to everybody who participated at the event, we loved seeing all of you and had a wonderful time. We are hoping to get our archived video of the matches posted soon, and will let you all know when it’s up.

Good luck to all teams in their next competition(s), and a gigantic thanks to everybody who has helped make us 5/5 for our past 5 regionals/districts.

New York City, we’ll be seeing you in just 4 days. Wow, already it’s less than 90 hours away :yikes:. It’s coming up fast, and though I may be tired, our team couldn’t be more excited!

P.S. To the 4 teams who have still not played in a MAR District, get ready for some great memories to be made.

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Team 869 PowerCord had a great time at the Rutgers MAR District Event! We really enjoyed working with everyone and were very proud of how our robot and our drivers performed.

Although there were a lot of people who were skeptical about the presence of an effective defensive strategy in this game, I like to think that our shark fin robot showed that it is definitely possible to defend even the best shooting robots.

Thank you to teams 555 and 41 for being great alliance partners! I know we didn't advance as far as we would've liked to, it was still a great experience!

Also, congratulations to the winning alliance of teams 1676, 56, and 1370 you guys worked great together!

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I'll admit, I was skeptical about how Districts would feel compared to traditional Regionals, but after this weekend, I welcome the new District system. The MAR committee put on one great event. I look forward to Lenape, I'm sure things will be even better as the events go on. Though small, Rutgers was a great place to have the event, the main gym was excellent. Although things seemed a little slow Saturday morning, Friday night went great, and the event was sped up flawlessly to catch up, and the organizers did a great job at that. Also, it was nice to have a New Jersey event with more food options than Taco Bell (though I love Baja Blast...)

Some thanks and congrats:

3142 and 3637-You guys were great alliance partners, its a shame that we didn't make it further. Playing with you guys was a pleasure, hopefully we can reunite in Philly. In the stands, our team had a blast cheering with you guys, I'm almost positive we were one of the most excited of the quarterfinals :D

75-It's a shame you guys had problems with your robot, but once your bot was working, you definitely improved and excelled match-by-match. Despite your robot's performance, you guys were energetic and excited the entire weekend, our teams definitely had a blast cheering with you guys the entire weekend, and I never saw one member of your team with a frown on their face. You guys are truly an inspiration to all, and definitely deserve Engineering Inspiration.

11-A lot of the same said about 75 can be said about you, definitely haha. Your drive team was truly one of the friendliest drive teams, and Jesse is definitely an excellent coach. You guys without a doubt deserve that Chairman's, and you're gonna be a tough team to beat for it at Philly.

56-From the moment I first saw you guys in action at the Watchung scrimmage, I knew you would be one of the teams to beat at Rutgers. Excellent job and congrats on the victory.

1370-I told your drivers this a million times, but you played some of the best defense I've seen this season and were a great partner for bridge-balancing two or three times with during Qualifications. I was amazed to see you go so late in alliance selection, and if the number one seed hadn't selected you, my jaw would have dropped. Every match we've played with you has been a great one, we look forward to seeing with you at Lenape and hopefully have some great matches together.

1676-So, if one considers this the New Jersey Regional, this make it 3 years in a row, right?:p Excellent robot as always, you overcame some problems to have one awesome machine. Huge props to your drive team, your mentors raved about your driver, and they totally had reason to, he's just a great driver, we had plenty of bridge balances where all we had to do was get on the bridge, and he took care of the rest. As always, one of the friendliest, most inspirational teams around. Due to computer problems, we lost all our Saturday scouting data, and it was extremely generous of you guys to help us out and give us some of your data. Congrats, and good luck at MO.
Thanks a bunch Ryan, telling some members about this post put a smile on their faces. And maybe the link to the pants will just make me able to walk past you without you asking me for a pair :p

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Love the new format of district events. It seemed as this weekend was way less crazy at Rutgers compared to Trenton. I would like to give a special thanks to the following teams:

11 & 1089: Paired with you guys, we had an unbelievable alliance. From your cheering squads to the drive teams, you guys were amazing. See you in Mount Olive in 3 weeks, good luck to 1089 at Lenape.

1676:Special thanks to Max, the programmer, if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have had a working autonomous. I thank him for spending the time to work with us.

Thanks to all teams, we showed that in the heat of a battle, all teams can cooperate in a match. See you at Mount Olive!

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Ryan said most of what I wanted to say, so read his post first.

75: You guys are a real class act. The cheering was amazing. And thanks for the technical help in the pits - we solved both our problems by working together.

223: Your balancing on the coopertition bridge with us helped us cement our 1st seed position tremendously. Thank you.

1370: Wow. Thanks for the help. There is NO way we could have done it without you.

56: Wow again. Your team was easily the best at Rutgers, and it was very gracious of you to accept our invitation. We knew we couldn't have won without you.

869: Scrappy defensebot indeed, your team was one of our biggest worries, because we knew you'd be picked early but we needed a scorer for our first pick. Awesome defense in a very difficult-to-defend game. Love the shark fin, which works like a dream.

The event itself was spectacular, every bit as exciting as any regional I've been at. MAR has done a good job. Pits were spacious and convenient. The idea to address the lack of live scoring was brilliant. Food was acceptable and reasonably priced, parking was good.

Now I get to my complaints.

The venue was OK, but with limited seating and tiny passageways for people and robots, this historic building (from 1938-ish) was poorly suited to an FRC competition. We took our camera off with the low doorway while wheeling in for our first match, and the exit doorway claimed a few victims as well. There was ONE restroom for the entire venue of 1300 people, and it was small - 5 'fixtures' and 2 sinks. (OK, two - ladies and mens). On a warmish day, when the inside of the gym was 85 degrees, the college had the heat turned on so hot I burned myself on a radiator. And don't get me started about the comfort of sitting on bleachers...

The ONLY way we would return for a second year was if we held the competition on the lower level. That's where the pool is located.....WATER GAME!

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I will agree with you about what you said about the restrooms. When I arrived at the arena on Friday I was shocked that they said there would only be one of each for the crowd to use. (Thankfully they opened the ones at field level up for volunteer use)

And it did get exceptionally hot in there towards the afternoon (could you imagine what it would be like later in the season/if it hadn't been so cool out?

The only point I'd like to make about the bleachers is the fact that since MAR did go district and many of the competitions are held at high school gyms, people should get used to sitting on bleachers for 2 days. (thankfully i have a cushy chair to sit on :D )

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I can and do, but these bleacher seats were three 4" wide pieces of wood, slightly uneven with devilishly-placed spaces between the slats. Painful. And I too have something soft and cushy on which I sit, but it's sore today...:p

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Thank you for picking us to be on the alliance....you guys were great and we hope to see you guys at future events and hopefully Temple......

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Thank you....we hope to see you guys at Lenape too.....

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Don, that really means a lot coming from you and your team, we knew that we were taking a gamble by designing a defensive robot. I like to think our bot was proven effective as a solid defender and its just cool to get a nod from a team like 1676! Especially after so many skeptical views on our machine. Who knows, maybe we will see you guys in Philly!

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The event is over but it is far from cool down time for 1403. On the bus ride home from Rutgers our team was already discussing changes that will be made to the bot to help keep us competitive at MO and hopefully states. With that being said our entire team would like to thank all the volunteers, mentors, sponsors, teams, and students that made this event possible.

2016 - Thanks for being such a great alliance partner. It was fun being matched with you guys for our first time at a regional, and the results clearly payed off. Hopefully we will see you guys as states and champs

3515 and 203 - Thanks for being such a great pick and backup respectively. We could not have made it to the finals without either of you guys.

1676, 56, and 1370 - Congrats on winning the event, all of you deserved it. We all played hard and I think it is safe to say we all pushed our robots to the limits by match three. Can't wait to compete with 56 and 1676 at MO and hopefully we will see 1370 at states as well.

11 and 75 - Congrats on your well deserved Chairman's and Engineering Inspiration awards. We know how hard both of you worked for the awards and could not be happier for the two of you.

Lastly I would like to say that this event was our first district event and that the event ran very smoothly and out team had a great time. But there were some complaints that must be addressed. First, the reason that first moved away from this venue was that it could not handle over 36 teams. It would appear that they did not learn their lesson, as the let in 42 teams (which probably have more members than the original 36) which resulted in insane crowd control measures hindering ones ability to access the pits, field, stands, and bathrooms (which were way to small for the amount of people attending the event). Also the venue was so hot that I was attempting to go outside to cool down after almost every match. However I had to climb up one set of stairs and down another to reach the exit. As a college student this was a minor inconvenience but for other it was a large problem.

Ultimately the team had a great time and we look forward to the rest of the rebound rumble season.

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Last year was my first with 1370, but I started the day after the NJ Regional (which they did not attend). I've got to say that the energy in the venue was just as high if not a little higher than the two regionals 1370 did last year. This was my first full year with the team and I have to salute not only our team but every team that was at Rutgers this past weekend. I did not see a single team in the pits or the stands that was anything less than great. Even when teams lost, their fans were absolutely phenomenal.

303 - Your fans impressed me to no end. During the elimination rounds, I was sitting among your fans, the unwashed heathen in a sea of 303. Even when our alliance was head-to-head with yours, everybody was cool about it. When we were all trying to track down that phantom penalty that cost you the last match, watching the replay on my camera with you all, trying to find the flag-wave ... I have nothing but respect for you all. (Supposedly it was an inbounder penalty)

75 - You guys already know how we feel, but we cannot say enough about how you helped us out. Not only do we have brothers on both teams, but the teams were brothers (and pit buddies) throughout the event. Thank you so much for hosting us at your shop Saturday night and helping us build that bridge arm when we all would have preferred to be home in bed. The unwavering help that you gave us throughout the event (never did use those #10-32x2" bolts :ahh: ), whether with parts, materials, advice, scouting, or just general pointers, was the sole reason that we were able to get to the elimination rounds. If you guys ever need anything or if we can ever have an event in Delawhere, you know that you only need to ask.

1676 & 56 - You guys were as much a perfect compliment to our team in the eliminations as we were to you. In the however-many years with the current staff at 1370 has been around, we have never made it that far into a tournament. Thank you for picking us and we hope to see you at Temple in a few weeks. By my figuring, the lead team in the district has 156 points. I am confident that both of you can beat that from your current starting points of 88 & 72, respectively.

869 - In a lot of ways, your robot gave us the ideas that we were able to implement on Sunday, both strategically and mechanically. Your bot is an awesomely robust machine and we should be seeing you at Temple.

1089, 1626, 223, 203, 4128, & 136 - We will see you at Lenape. If you guys need anything at all, whether before or during the event, please let us know.

Well, that's about all I can stand to type right now. Everyone take good care of yourselves and stay healthier than me.

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Well said everybody, and just one more adder. As a mentor at 1370 I'd have to say your picking us to be on the winning alliance couldn't have happened at a better time, our relationship with our school district was in need of a boost and this has certainly helped. I'm hoping this will keep us in FIRST well into the future. Thanks again! One of our students posted it "was the greatest weekend in his life", for a 43 old mentor, it was best, but it was definitely top 10!

75 Awesome is all I can say, thanks for your help and hospitality. Glad you didn't go home empty handed!

Alliance members, wow we have to do that again!

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Not exactly handicap-accessible, was it? My knees still hurt.

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For those interested, MSG Varsity has 3 galleries of quality photos from Saturday.

http://www.msgvarsity.com/new-jersey...art-1-1.980269
http://www.msgvarsity.com/new-jersey...art-2-1.980349
http://www.msgvarsity.com/new-jersey...art-3-1.980427
http://www.msgvarsity.com/new-jersey...art-4-1.982813
http://www.msgvarsity.com/new-jersey...art-5-1.983013
http://www.msgvarsity.com/new-jersey...art-6-1.983111

Needless to say, it appears their photographers loved getting pictures of me staring directly at the camera, having my hands up, and my fauxhawk...


Also they were filming stuff, so hopefully we'll get word on when that is airing.

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Unfortunately, those who are not Optimum subscribers need to subscribe in order to see more than 10-11 photos from each gallery ... :(

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is there any way around the optimum user block....there some good photos that i saw and i bet there are more?????