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The Game Breaker
I don't know who all has thought about it but is anyone taking the "469 approach from breakaway” this year? While I have seen threads talking about the idea. Have any teams been able to hit the full court shot with consistency? If so and you wouldn't mind sharing a little what type of shooter do you have; baseball machine, catapult, other?
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The way the game works, the balls you score are returned to your opponents. You rely on your opponents scores to make points. This means a 469-like strategy won't be possible unless you sit in the opponent's alley and shoot the balls your inbounders feed you into the hoops from the side, though that's very dangerous, and can lead to penalties that along with the inaccuracies make the strategy not worthwhile.
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If a robot could be human loaded and the alley is a protected zone even if a team missed 1 of 4 shots (this could be beneficial if the other team makes anything lower than the top goal and the shooting team was aiming for the top otherwise it would just cancel out what the other team did) the other two robots could either work on scoring the missed shots or playing D on the other team. If nothing else and the team could get the robot accurate enough in theory they should be able to end in a tie minimum.
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Yup, looks like the GDC thought long and hard on this game. I don't see a chokehold strategy that doesn't involve a large possibility of penalties occurring to those who try the strategy. |
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How about a bot that takes inbounder feeds and launches them into another bot's large hopper sitting on the key. With an appendage to have a wide catch net it can be quite a large target. The key bot makes consistent 3 pointers. Every basket is answered with three points. Then it comes down to hybrid and balancing.
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Not a perfect game winning strategy but a very good one. |
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If the question is whether the FeedBot can score, let's ask Team 41. I'm a little confused by the definition of "chokehold". If I can answer every basket with 3 points, I'll tie in teleop if nothing else. Is it because you can't count on that one extra point? |
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I don't think we'll see many precise and accurate half-court shooting robots, let alone full-court shots.
The precision is difficult due to the differences in the coefficient of restitution (aka squishiness) of the basketballs; each ball is slightly different, and each ball changes at different rates as they are picked up, fired, run over, etc. on the field. While the balls will likely all be in similar new condition at the start of the competition, over the course of the competition some balls will be (ab)used more than others and replaced by attrition, thus leading to big differences in ball quality by Saturday. The accuracy is difficult due to the cone of error of lining up your shots from 25-50' away. Being off by 5 degrees from the fender will probably not cause your robot to miss a shot; but the same error from across the field may as well be a mile. |
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That's not to say it's not a very strong strategy. You'd need a pretty strong alliance to defeat it. But it doesn't meet the definition of "chokehold". |
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Answering every basket with a 3 pointer is not likely. Inaccuracies in the shooters, inconsistancy with the balls, and defense will ensure that. Prediction: early on, games will be won in autonomous and by balancing. As the weeks go on, games will be determined by who rebounds the best (limiting additional shots by your opponent). |
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Agree, that even a 50% accuracy rate (unlikely) isn't a chokehold. That isn't to say such a bot wouldn't be very valuable to the right alliance, so long as the shots are accurate. Don't expect to be higly-ranked with this strategy unless you have a great autonomous and have consistent partners (my prediction anyways).
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If I had a "game breaker" strategy (which I don't), I wouldn't present it here. I would introduce it at the proper strategic moment.
If such a strategy exists, we'll see it soon enough. If its not hardware-specific, everybody else will be trying it next week if the GDC doesn't ban it with an update. I hope nobody finds one. There appear to be plenty of ways for smart teamwork to prevail over a lone superstarbot this year. That would be great to see. |
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