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jeleser 04-03-2012 20:33
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On the subject of yelling "Robot," I tried to only let myself say "'Scuse me," with enough volume to be heard but not yelling at people. Hearing "robot" all day causes it to become ignored (at least for me in a couple instances). I also noticed several teams, on several occasions, yelling "robot" when there was nobody blocking their path. For courtesy, if you feel the overwhelming need to yell "robot," at the very least don't do it when nobody is in the path.

JaneYoung 04-03-2012 20:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1139025)
Kids being kids.
We told them to stop.
It just shouldn't be done in the first place.
Why did they have access to the field?

Jane

jsasaki 04-03-2012 21:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1139026)
This is something I think we can and have to fix and yes furniture movers with a bit of rope is all that is needed. Some sort of cart should be a requirement to compete not just a strong recommendation (http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/viewItem/6#4.2.2). If a team falls while they are carrying their robot through the pits it would be horrible. We require that you don't have sharp edges that might cut someones hand but carrying a robot through the pits is allowed and that might break someones leg.
Its a bit hard for teams that come from other places using crates and fedex to ship robots. Batteries and a half taken apart robot with bumpers are nearly 400 lbs. making a cart a requirement would not be ideal for such teams.

AllenGregoryIV 04-03-2012 21:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jsasaki (Post 1139074)
Its a bit hard for teams that come from other places using crates and fedex to ship robots. Batteries and a half taken apart robot with bumpers are nearly 400 lbs. making a cart a requirement would not be ideal for such teams.
Teams should have to communicate with the regional director or with teams to find some way to have a cart. Carrying the robot for every match is not acceptable.

Andy A. 04-03-2012 21:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jsasaki (Post 1139074)
Its a bit hard for teams that come from other places using crates and fedex to ship robots. Batteries and a half taken apart robot with bumpers are nearly 400 lbs. making a cart a requirement would not be ideal for such teams.
Lifting and carrying a robot to and from the pits isn't ideal either, and down right dangerous for the people lifting, the people the robot might end up dropped on and the robot its self. I agree that a cart isn't just a good idea- it's essential and should absolutely be a requirement just like safety glasses.

A trip to Home Depot can get you a very decent 'garden' cart for about 100 bucks you can put together in the pit. At the end of the event you can take apart and ship it home or sell it to another team or whatever.

It's money well spent.

nitneylion452 04-03-2012 21:23
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Regarding the cart issue, in 2010, we didn't have one. We had poles that we put trough dedicated holes in the robot to carry it everywhere. I was on the drive team, so I was carrying it very often. Even at ~90 lbs IIRC it was a pain and began to hurt my hands. Luckily, we had a short walk from the field to the pits, but at Hatboro this weekend, the walk was relatively substantial as we had to go to a separate gymnasium and the door was at the opposite corner of our pit.

Carts are extremely helpful and a requirement might not be a bad idea.

Karibou 04-03-2012 21:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1139022)
Same thing at KC, except at Greater Kansas City it was those superfan suits (Basically a full bodied spandex suit that goes from your feet and covers everything including your head.) I'll give some of them credit for wearing safety glasses over the suit ::safety:: , but still, I'm fairly certain it violates the same reason as to why I'm not allowed to walk around in full tint safety glasses. Having never worn a superfan suit, I'm not qualified to talk about the visibility from within one, but I can imagine that if a piece of spandex is covering my entire face, visibility is limited.
Depends. I've tried some on, and visibility varies greatly from not being able to see at all to being able to see with very "gritty" but slightly tinted vision. I would entirely argue that they don't belong in the pits, safety glasses or not. That being said, if the hood/face is down (most, if not all, have zippers in the back starting at the head, I don't see a major issue as long as they have safety glasses.

jsasaki 04-03-2012 21:30
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maybe FIRST can provide flat carts for teams with hardship to use at regionals.

treffk 04-03-2012 21:40
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I agree with all that is being said here and just want to add one thing. I witnessed a UL Safety Adviser ask 2 visitors to put safety glasses on when they were entering the pits and they got very upset and walked out. I know most teams do this already but a quick reminder to all parents and visitors will help keep the pits just a bit safer and the volunteers a bit less stressed.

Phyrxes 04-03-2012 21:49
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The extra cart idea is a great one for those of us with space in a trailer or box truck going to an event. Even a movers dolly would be a benefit to someone.

quinxorin 04-03-2012 22:08
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Honestly, I have never seen these issues happen at a Michigan event (except people not getting out of the way for "ROBOT!"). Might be due to experience, but we all have carts, people never go beyond the blue curtains when they aren't supposed to (we don't even really bother with the drivers' passes anymore) and people were smart enough not to play around on the field or practice field bridges.

Michael Corsetto 04-03-2012 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1138989)
5. I saw several teams having to carry their robots to the field. I think it would be an awesome thing to do if a veteran would help them out with an extra cart (if they have one. One of those furniture movers might be all that's needed). Not only is it unpleasant to have to carry a 120 pound robot from the pits to the field but it can be dangerous as well). Who knows? It might attract the attention of a judge and get you a GP award.
Speaking from personal experience, this can, in fact, win you a GP award. Back in 2007, my team then, 114, built one of the rookies at the PNW regional a robot cart out of castors and a piece of plywood. Not sure how the judges heard about it, but we won the J&J Sportsmanship Award.

In summary: Do good.

-Mike

Koko Ed 05-03-2012 04:05
Re: Not to Be a Total Stick in the Mud
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneYoung (Post 1139053)
Why did they have access to the field?

Jane
They were volunteers from a team and a team that won they event. they always are on the field after the event. We just have to make sure they don't play on the bridge. That's all.

reymac 05-03-2012 05:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1139014)
This one annoys me to no end. Why do teams feel they have to bring EVERY STUDENT down into the pits? If you're not working why are you there? Is it part of your strategy to block other teams from getting to and from the field? Because that's what you're doing. Send them up into the stands to watch matches and scout and strategist and whatever and leave the pits to those who have to do work on the robot.
What is a good number of students to bring into the pits? We are wanting to cap it to 13.

Koko Ed 05-03-2012 05:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reymac (Post 1139288)
What is a good number of students to bring into the pits? We are wanting to cap it to 13.
I work the field not the pits so I'm no expert on the subject by no means but I do know having whole teams down in the pits is unnecessary. Talk to Jeff Huspen about what a good number is. He's been at this since 1993. Everyone should seek his advice on such matters.


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