Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

Nothing game changing, just a warning about CPU usage on the cRIO and Driver's Station.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

Honestly, I am shocked that the GDC is not weighing in on the events that happened at GTR. By not updating the rules, are they condoning them?

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

They're probably still discussing it. At least, I hope they are.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

I'm sure they're no condoning it, but I think making touching the co-op bridge while teams are balancing illegal is going to be a little counter productive. The point is to get teams to cooperate. By making it illegal for teams to interfere in it, they're still going against the SPIRIT of FIRST, but you're taking some team's opinions/input out of the coopertition bridge.

Not that I want to start an argument about it......

-Leeland

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

They could simply append a blue box saying that interfering with a coopertition balance is against the spirit of the game. It wouldn't need to have a penalty associated with it. If they wanted one, it could be "Strategies aimed at interfering with a coopertition balance are not in the spirit of the FRC and are not allowed" Violation: Red Card

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

I assume that 3-4 days of talk was not enough for the GDC to reach a satisfactory, definite, solid conclusion on how to address GTR-East.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

It might just be that the GDC chooses not to comment on this one. I can only think of one time they've changed a rule due to a team's actions (the infamous WildStang Stack of '07), and I don't think there's a good way to change this rule.

Frankly, if the reaction was any indication, the heaps of scorn placed on a team trying such a stunt should be deterrent enough.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

Didnt 190 get ruled illegal in 2008 after their 1st regional?

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

Not to derail, but anyone care to explain the infamous robots in 2007 and 2008? I would love to learn about them.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

Here's the 2007 one. http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2007il_qm42

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

Here's the 2008 one. http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2008nh_qm45

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

Those are both so ingenious it hurts.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

I think I missed something. Why did they ban 190's design? It didn't seem to make them more effective than any of the other robots there.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

It was explicitly banned via Q&A before the competition season started, and then later clarified.

Re: Team Update - 2012-03-13
 

190's "wrecking ball" design crossed the center divider into the other lane backwards. This was a penalty every time it was used (or should have been). It's important to note that the design was ruled legal at one event, but that subsequent events found the design illegal. I forget what all else if anything was wrong with it; I think most of us were too busy looking at a different robot that was ruled illegal and going "How is that illegal?", but that other robot could have been either way depending on rules interpretation.