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48/269/2826 had 98 in both finals matches in Wisconsin.
F1.1 also had 175 points scored between the two alliances in Wisconsin. Only thirty of those points were from the bridge.

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My sources were wrong. I will edit.

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On behalf of 2200, thanks for all the congrats and a huge thanks to our alliance partners 2056 and 4001.

Shout out to our awesome sponsors, particularly GitHub and the United Association of Plumbers and Pipefitters Local 67, and Boca Bearings.

EDIT: We'll have the matches up on YouTube ASAP, they're currently on our ustream channel.

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I have a lot more to say about this amazing regional, but I wanted to address this comment directy.

We at 1114 never do anything "to screw" anyone, let alone our friends at Team 2056. We accepted Team 3161 because they have an amazing robot and were great partners for us. It's as simple as that. Also, Team 1241 has a great robot, no one would be "stuck" with them.

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I have to give kudos to the DJ. The music during finals certainly added to the excitement and drama. Well done.

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It was an awesome regional, two great alliances had an awesome finals

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I want to open this by saying I was really impressed by this regional as a whole and by 1114s performance. It was the most fun I've ever had watching a regional, I'm excited to hear what else you have to say :).

In regards to my comments, I regret that I used such offensive language (and I have changed it), but the logic is not deserving of reprimand. I could never claim to have a better understanding of the decisions made by 1114 than you, but I believe that in absence of your reasoning, my assumptions were certainly solid.

If we look at your alliance in a vacuum, while 3161 is certainly a great partner, objectively 188 had a higher OPR, a better record of triple balancing, a higher combined HP/BP/TP and more wins as well as experience. Subjectively they seemed to be more effective at scoring under defense. With this in mind it seemed likely that 1114 accepted not necessarily to make the strongest alliance possible, but to ensure that their opposition would have a harder climb.
From what I can glean from recorded matches it seems this analysis is born out in the matches. In the quarter finals 188 outscored 3161 by 6 in Autonomous and 21 in Teleop.

While I respect team 1241, they were not the best alliance partner for 2056. Something you'd have a hard time disagreeing with, when 2056 stated it in the most meaningful way, by declining them.

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One thing I noticed about the F.1 match was that not only did the red alliance outscore the blue in teleop, but 1114 did most of it with lots of traffic. At one point 1114 was trying to move and gather balls with 4 other teams in their zone, while 2056 mainly left alone. This isn't meant to take anything away from what they did, but I think what 1114 did to keep that match close was by far amazing.

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The language was what myself and many others took issue with. It's not always what you say, but how you say it.

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So, according to your logic, ensuring that everyone else at the regional has a harder time winning somehow means 1114 did not make the strongest alliance?

Furthermore, If you saw any if the interaction during the elimination rounds between 1114 and 2056 off the field you would know that both teams wanted nothing but the best for the other. Those two have the strongest partnership in FIRST. There was no "screwing over" going on.

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For years, people have questioned the legitimacy of 2056's winning streak. I've seen many people say that they've only remained undefeated because they always have the best partner at the regional backing them up (be it 1114 or another), and that can certainly be one of the reasons. But they've always built an outstanding robot to earn the right to have those partners.

Today, I think 2056 proved that they don't need the best partner at the regional to go the distance. No offense to 2200 or 4001, as they certainly proved to be great partners to OP Robotics, but 2056 was definitely in a league of their own amongst many of the Greater Toronto West Teams. They proved they don't need one of the Canadian powerhouses alongside them to take a regional. A lot of people are going to argue that they didn't deserve the win, because the opposing alliance wasn't necessarily at 100%. And that may be true. But the record books will forever show that 2056 won a regional without a powerhouse alongside them. In my humble opinion, 2056 has stepped out from the shadow of their recurring partners, 1114, and has reached the same level as the Simbots and, arguably, ascended even higher.

On another note, with the whole "1114 tried to screw 2056" thing, I know that 1114 will never build anything less than the best alliance they can. They wouldn't even consider an offer from a team if they didn't think they had a strong chance of winning the event with them, or they were backed into a corner into accepting (being ranked low and declining would mean no eliminations). 3161 came amazingly close to taking the #1 seed at Greater Toronto East, and it's no coincidence that they took it this time. They are one of the strongest Canadian teams out there right now. And though they may not be as strong as 1114 or 2056, I certainly wouldn't argue with 1114's decision to accept. Were 1114 to decline, 3161 would have certainly made 2056 their next choice. If they'd accepted, they would have still had a great chance of winning. If they'd declined, 3161 would get their pick of the next strongest team, and 1114 and 2056 would still be split, since 1114 wouldn't be able to pick 2056. 1114 made a smart move accepting 3161's offer. Declining would have been a poorly thought-out decision. And 1114 always thinks their moves through all the way.

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I was not making a judgement about 1114, I would also aim to ensure that my alliance had the best chance of winning. I was merely making the observation that in this instance 1114 was best served by taking an opportunity away from their strongest opposition.

I am well aware of the bond shared by those teams, it is a partnership with a level of friendship and respect which the rest of us can only aim for. Despite this I also know that 1114 and 2056 do not leave anything on the field. They didn't "screw over" in a sense that they did something immoral, however they certainly did aim to get an upperhand in the competition.

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Hello there! Great matches everyone. The final match was epic :)

Our team only did two regional events this year. GTR East and West, and they were alright...

I was hoping for us to be picked in the alliance selection, but it seemed like we did not make it...

Could some teams please state on why they did not consider us to be one of their alliance partners?

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I too am very confused about the picking process, one team in particular that helped us and one that we thought for sure was going to make alliance selections was team 1325. They had consistent hybrid shooting as well as amazing bridge traversal and driver skills, however they were not picked while others were picked without similar skills.
As a rookie is there something i am missing? Could someone clarify please?
Thanks

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Basically, it's not that 1325 was a "weak" team, it's more that the type of skills the alliance teams were looking for were not the skills they had to offer.

For 2056/4001/2200 I believe the thinking was that 2056 would be able to score fairly consistently throughout the match (as they did) and that the other 2 bots were able to play defense well as well as were small bots able to complete the triple balance which they pulled off in the finals to win them the first match. I didn't follow the other teams and selections as closely as I did 2056 otherwise I may have been able to offer more insight.

Just my $0.02

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That was the best intro i've ever seen. He said it "The moment we've all been waiting for since 2007". Final match 1 was pretty epic, 1114 just got unlucky, it happens. Being in the san diego finals and losing by the bridge balance in match 1, i feel 1114's pain. Anyway both alliances did every well, and i would not be surprised to see these same teams on Einstein. Amazing regional, and congrats to 2056, 4001, 2200. :)

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Dave Verbrugge has had some pretty awe inspiring ones over the years, he's definitely the master of the historic intro. Of my own, GTR 2010 is still my favourite.

http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2010on_f1m1

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To address some of the issues I quickly read.

1) In semi finals match where #2 alliance (1241 & co) faced the #7 alliance (2056 & co), 1241 took a hard hit and our drop-down mechanism was stuck in the extended position. We were able to drive to block the opposing alliance (not in their lane) from getting onto the bridge WHILE not touching it, therefore no penalty/DQ.

2) In semi's matches 2 & 3, we had connection problems. I do not know the reasoning behind what caused the issue/what the exact issue was, but there was a problem.

3) Team 1114's robot "dying" in the 2nd Finals match occurred at the start of the Tele-Operated period, they were at the same alliance station as Team 1241 was at for Semi's match 3 against 2056.

I would like to thank & congratulate Teams 2056, 4001 and 2200 on their Regional Victory.

Teams 3161, 1114 and 2643 for putting on the most amazing Finals that I have seen since I began in FIRST in '07. It was truly a weekend I (and many others on my team) will never forget!

& Lastly congratulations to Team 1305 on their Engineering Inspiration award and to 907 and 771 for being our amazing alliance partners! :D

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The one that comes to mind is the 2008 Opening Ceremonies at the Great Lakes Regional, "The Perfect Storm" speech. He had this amazing story that contained the name or a part of the teams name (60+ teams there). He did it without any notes or cues, pure memory. To bad it wasn't recorded. Also his 2009 Einstein introduction history lesson was pretty darn good to.

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Haha, I remember watching this back in 2010, my first year as a student of FIRST robotics and team 1241. I remember the stories you told, it inspired me everyday about how this program benefits so many people. I pass down the information you taught me to the juniors on our team. This was definetly one of your best intro's to the finals. Those are the moments we live for in FIRST.

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Waterloo* :)

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Oops, my bad :) Thanks for correcting me!

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I saw earlier someone said that Canada has the best robots. That's probably because there are two things to do 8 months of the year in Canada:
a)Hockey
b)Robots

amirite?

In all seriousness, everyone should try to figure out how to blow up their local region like GTR has. It would be sweet.

Also, congrats to the winners. I would like to live in a FIRST world where on-field communications issues aren't the biggest "what-ifs" in eliminations (why can't it just come down to strategy, skill, and power?), but I guess that's the hand we are dealt for now.

Alliance selections can be weird. Not that we're complaining, but we had a "better robot" than some of the first picks in VA. Turns out, our alliance captain's strategy was for us to reliably score in hybrid and get on the bridge. It worked unless one of the robots got tipped over...

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Thanks to our alliance 2056 and 2200. It was definitely a great learning experience for us as a rookie team to see how FRC really works for everyone and for a really excellent veteran team. It was certainly an exciting final and it was a really great match thanks to 1114, 3161 and 2634 in that we didn't even dream of facing as we are a rookie team.. especially in the finals!!!! We do look forward to see everyone in the championship. See you there! and more amazing matches to come!

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Congratulation to teams 2056,2200,4001 for the regional win. Congratulations also to team 1241 for the RCA great job. Congratulations to team 1305 as well for the EI.

I have been on 188 for 6 years, and its been an amazing journey. However this year at GTR-West I was totally amazed by all the teams. It was amazing to see the regional develop past just 1114/2056 to teams like 1241, 1310, 907 and many more. Great job all teams and lets see what kind of an impact this has on Candian regionals.

Great effort by teams 1114/3161/2634, for what it's worth you guys were pretty amazing.

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I am reading about the awesome matches but cannot seem to find the videos! Does anyone know where they are kept, if there are any. I could have sworn there was a YouTube channel, but could not find it.

Thanks!

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They are on Ustream
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21499201

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There is an official YouTube channel however due to the poor Internet at the venue we didn't upload them as we went. So for now they're on ustream as the above poster links.

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Thank you both!

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Man, I miss being at GTR.

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So was the reason why 2056 and 188 declined 1241 because their robot was having issues?, because i believe that was the case. 1241 was playing defense in the quarters and semis, so i think they might have had an issue with their shooter. This is why these teams declined (I think), if they were working like how they worked at buckeye (nice shooting), i think both teams would have accepted.

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is there any video of the finals matches they sound exciting?

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Finals 1.1
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21501483

Finals 1.2
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21501857

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This may be true. However I believe and am almost 100% positive, that both teams knew they needed an alliance to triple balance. If you think about it both teams alliances are made for doing a triple balance. And 2056 did do triple against 1114 twice to win the finals.

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I believe that both 2056 and 188 declined 1241 because they wanted to triple balance. 1241 became damaged in semi 1-1, when they were playing wicked defence on 2056.

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Great regional this year! Karthik's introduction speech was amazing. The second final was kind of anti-climactic, though.

I was surprised that nobody thought to block 2200 while they were driving over the bump. For a moment as they were crossing it, their robot was also at an angle that would have made it easily knocked over if it were hit. 2200's great defensive playing was key in their alliance's victory, and I think the finals might've turned out differently if they weren't able to make it over.

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I wish to congratulate 2056, 4001 and 2200 on their GTRW win and in turn 3161, 1114 and 2634 for their efforts as finalists. I wish to congratulate 1241 for their RCA. Well done.

I do not want to speak for our alliance captain but I believe 1241 was pursuing the same strategy of a triple balance. 907 and 771 are wide bots.

The comm problem Kaushal.K describes caused their bot to careen into us in SF1-2. In the collision, one of our PWMs came loose at the sidecar causing a failure on our ball sensors. We didn't catch it between matches, we had little time between match 2 and 3. We had limited ball intake capability in SF1-3. We designed wide knowing it would come down to triple balancing in the end.

Best of luck to 1241, 2056, 4001 and 2200 and 1305 in St. Louis. We will celebrate from afar.

Go Canada!

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While we may not have been the best alliance partner for 2056 and given the state of our shooter and robot at that stage of GTRW, we would've played a similar role to that of ours at 2011 Curie Division eliminations last year. However, it would've been hard to coordinate and execute a triple balance with two long bots and a wide.

Yes, those issues were becoming quite clear in the GTRW eliminations and unfortunately we were unable to perform a 100%.

Thanks Mr. P for the clarification and congrats. We had an amazing time partnering with 907. Your robot was a definite stand-out amongst the scorers this year. By further picking 771, we had an intention of triple balancing but had a doubt of accomplishing so, due to the lack of practice we had together.

We hope to improve and perform up to par or even better than some of the top Canadian bots who are unable to attend Championships this year.

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Hi guys,

Here are some photos from GTR West:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1067936...gionalWest2012

Calum

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There are some beautiful shots there, thanks for posting :)

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http://youtu.be/fQzyydRiek4

Semi Match 2-1

Red: 1241, 907, 771

Blue: 2056, 4001, 2200

Red - 62
Blue - 51

We noticed there was no full video of this match online and thought it would be a great idea to have all of them published.

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I have been waiting for video of this match since the end of GTR-W. I thought it would be lost forever.

907 has built amazing robots these past two years in particular. They really deserve to be at CMP. I don't believe they have ever attended. One of the absolute best key shooters at GTR-W, and that's saying a lot.

You can't see much of it from this video, but 1241 put on an absolute defensive clinic during this match.

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Thanks a lot. I've not yet had a chance to congratulate 610 on your impeccable shooting and balancing in both of your regionals. We are all rooting for you at championships.

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Anybody notice that ball scored by an inbounder on the bottom hoop around 6:30?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIQ85...feature=relmfu

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odH3v...ure=plpp_video

You can't see the hail mary shot at T-0sec on this match, but it was easily the most impressive conclusion to a match I saw all year.

One of the inbounders fired a ball from the driver station with 1 sec left in the match, buzzer went as the ball sunk into the bottom basket to tie that match up.