2012 Greater Toronto Regional West
 

With GTR West less than a week away, I figured it was about time to get this thread started. Good luck to all teams competing, and I'll see you there

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Finally a thread! lmao Team 772 finished packing the trailer today and are ready to compete this weekend against some of the best FRC teams in FIRST!

Does anyone know if Karthik is the MC?

can't wait to get up there.

Is anyone else having the issue of bringing up gr.10's late because of the Ontario Secondary School Literacy Test on Thursday?

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I think all of the ontario teams are in the same boat. Lucky its the practice day, huh?

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ya, thank god. Last year me and the other driver had to travel the 4 hours to Toronto to start practicing, after writing our test... that was soo fun -.-
You'd think the Government that Sponsors/supports FIRST would plan it on another day... even Wednesday instead.

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Haha that would be nice.

I guess I will see you thursday. Feel free to stick your head in our pit anytime and say hi.

CONGRATZ on your regional win by the way. You are only 1 of 4 teams coming to west with a 2012 win under their belts, and the only one who wasn't on the same alliance as each other. =D

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I'll probably be pretty busy to go around, but if u wanted u can come to ours :)

And thanks! :D We were sooo happy to finally get that regional win! First time ever! :) We are also the Only team coming into GTR West Undefeated :D! Lets see if we come out with that too :o

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Not if I can help it =P

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Well that was a fun first day... Field was absolutely terrible for a while until Karthik found out what was wrong :) Thanks Karthik! (if it was actually someone else who discovered the problem THANKS!)

We were having a difficult time getting used to the changes we made. But i think we are all good. Just finishing up the autonomous tomorrow, and we are all good :D

Good luck to everyone else :D!

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anyone know where I can watch the videos for the matches today?

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try "watchfirstnow.com" (or look up "watch FIRST now")

Lol. it is the one that lags the least, so you will probably get the best video.

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WHO ELSE HAD A REALLY BAD DAY!?

i'll make a list of everything that went wrong for us:
- Kept getting disconnected from C-Rio (swapped out C-Rio to new type)
- Blew Victor on Shooter...
- Jamming Poly-Cord
- Poly-Cord traveling on rollers
- Balls kept jamming because of Poly-Cord problems
- Blew feeder fuses
- I think im missing some stuff -.-

No longer are an undefeated team, but oh well... :P

If anyone ask's its Karthiks fault ;) lol

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His "closing time" song yesterday in the pits made the robots angry and they have decided not to cooperate (coopertate?).

But seriously, I'm sure you will be able to pull together tomorrow. Just keep at it. If you need any help or tools or anything, feel free to ask :D

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lol thanks :) I hope we can, or we are doomed. Everything should be good, but i dont know...
Thanks for the offer, but we have everything we need just need to get it all to work :)

Good luck tomorrow :D

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Aha ok thanks. And good luck to you!

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Aaron:

I could see that you folks were not having a good day and I feel for you. We've been there many times too.

Hopefully, things will come together for your team tomorrow.

Any help needed, just ask.

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Thanks :P after our second loss i just didn't care that much, wasn't gonna let the losses bother me and just improve the bot for champs and Queen City. I'm with the team right now... they are painting my other drivers toe nails lol :) *shakes head*

And do u have any advice for Poly-Cord? our poly cord has been the biggest problem. and im thinking we need to take some out. we have way to many pieces IMO.

Thanks guys

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Whats wrong with your poly cord? Does it keep breaking? What kind of poly cord did you get? How did you connect the ends?

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We are using yellow Polycord from Mccmaster-Carr (hollow). and using the metal connectors. which we were told that that was our problem. but then it also travels. it hasn't broken.

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Something is wonky in the scoring system about Q62.

The 6 teams in Q62 do not show a win or loss for that match, despite the match results showing blue alliance winning, 18-0.

Anybody know whats going on here? Its having a big impact on the top of the standings because 1241 is showing as 8th when they should be 5th or 3rd depending on if that match had a coop bridge.

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This happened in another match, I will talk to the FTA tomorrow and try and get it solved.

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The co-op bridge seemed to be behaving dodgy after it was rammed near the end of the day. I don't know if this is related or not, nor if you were there to see it, but parts were seemingly removed from the bottom and it appeared to be without power for the rest of the day IIRC. The match number seems about right to potentially coincide.

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haha...we had an programming error that got us one loss... I am really looking forward to tomorrow. I am really disappointed..at myself.
We have what I believe is a really good drive team and coach.

We finally did double bridge balancing, maybe tomorrow we will pull of a triple?

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pah... for the one line of code that had a bug, how many didn't? :p

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Our shooter was overshooting, and I knew it would happen :(, really screwed up just about everything... XD
Atleast we can still get the balls from the ramp, and get up the bridge..But still...

But man, did 772 have some bad luck! Good luck to you guys..nice pit btw..lol

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Oh no he didn't...

This song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAS-pvQ06s4

Good advice in that song - "Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end"...so Aaron, it's a new day!

Polycord walking - looking at your bot pic on CD, it does seem you might be running more belts than you need. We run no more than 4 belt loops (solid core) on any roller, with very good results.

We run two belts on the outside that "cradle" each side of the ball and two closer together along the centerline (sorry...centreline) of the ball that provide primary propulsion. You can see this belt layout in this photo - http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/37489

How deep are your grooves (how deeeeep aree yourr grooves I realllly neeed to learrrrrrn...)? You probably can't (easily) make the grooves themselves deeper at competition, but maybe removing some belts and attaching some loops of suitable material around the roller on each side of the remaining active grooves may help keep the belts in place? Many teams like to use wheel tread material like wedgetop or roughtop for this application.

Finally, I've got no experience with hollow polycord (I've heard you don't want to be around the metal barbs if a belt ever breaks - sharp little suckers!), but could your belts stand to be cut down a bit and rejoined to add a little more tension? I know belts do stretch over time - we had to trim an inch off of our belts and re-weld in Wisconsin. This solved some shooting consistency and jamming issues we observed in qualifying. Just remember - belts that are too loose are prone to walking and letting balls jam up the system. However, belts too tight can bog down rollers and put greater load on your conveyor motor(s) - for reference, a single RS-550 into a Banebots 26:1 gearbox powers our conveyor. Finding the perfect tension is key to effective conveyor performance.

I hope this gives you some ideas. Good luck today!

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Fixed.

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Idk if anyone else is watching the standings, but I just want to point out it seems pretty likely 2056 refused to coop. (Disclaimer: I wasn't on the floor, I'm just guessing).
Also, am I crazy or was 3933 helping the blue defenders?

I like this game, the end of Qualifications is so exciting :yikes:

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If 1114 either loses (unlikely) or fails to get CPs in their last match, then 3161 has a shot at leapfrogging them in the standings with a win and a CP (or just 2 QPs and 43 points in hybrid).

Matches to watch, in order for a non-1114/2056 top seed:
Q89: 3161 needs to win and cooperate (OPRNet call: 3161's alliance wins 48-34)
Q90: 1114 needs to get fewer than 4 QPs (OPRNet call: 1114's alliance wins 49-4)

Big shout-out to 3161 for managing to cooperate in every single one of their matches so far this weekend, and for having a pretty awesome robot too.

It's going to come down to their last match to clinch top seed for 1114 again. Rebound rumble's seeding system is fantastic - it makes it so exciting.

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All eyes on the co-op bridge in the next game. 3161 is first seed, and could potentially break up the so far dominating [potential] alliance of 1114 & 2056.

I sincerely hope there are no shenanigans going on, this is probably the most likely time for something like a GTR-E repeat to happen unfortunately.

EDIT: No one tried to balance with 1114. I don't know what to say. The teams were perfectly entitled to do it, but it's not something I personally like to see.

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And it looks like the opposing alliance didn't cooperate with 1114, so these will be amazing elimination rounds. Barring some unusualness in alliance selection, we'll have 1114 and 2056 on separate teams. 1114's 8-regional streak or 2056's 13-regional streak will come to an end.

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Or both, if say 188/907 can take them.both out.

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Congratulations 3161 on making history! Good luck in eliminations!

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I think the unintended meta coopertating, and the effect of the triple balance has made rebound rumble the most balanced game in my 10 years of FRC. The powerhouses still have to work really hard to secure victory

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I'd say it was fine strategy - none of the 3 opposing teams had much to gain from 2QPs (it wouldn't have moved any of them into a picking position), but they gained from the splitting of 1114 and 2056 since it means there might be 2-3 viable elimination alliances on which they could be 2nd or 3rd robots, rather than the 1 viable elimination alliance of 1114/2056. I just hope they told 1114 ahead of time their plans, rather than leaving 1114 at the altar like what appears to have happened*.

*Although that is just speculation - even if they told 1114 that they weren't going to cooperate ahead of time, it would still make sense for 1114 to get on the bridge once the outcome wasn't in doubt just in case one of them changed their mind.

Even if they don't get selected, they get to watch the sweet fireworks that will be a competitive elimination round in Ontario. We haven't had one of those since 2009.

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There are plenty of great shooters at GTR-W, I think 1114 might reject 3161 [if offered]. The question is whether they pick 2056 next just to protect against the potential alliance, or they go for another shooter, maybe a triple balance team...

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Nah 3161 asks 2056 first, then 1114.

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EDIT: Ok so this is what I'm guessing for the top 4 alliances:
3161/2056
1114/188
1241/907
1310/1334



3161 is actually ranked 11th in the global OPR rankings (that's three spots below 1114), so theoretically they are definitely good enough to be first seed (and to be accepted by 1114).
I think they will definitely ask both 1114/2056 before moving on, just by reflex. (Because otherwise ranking first was worthless).

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There are a lot of great teams, which is why elims was always going to be interesting whether 1114 was first or not. 2056 have a stinger-like thing, and I do think 3161 will also ask one/both because it's too big a risk not too, but I would have fancied another one of these potential alliances to take on a 1114/2056 alliance, especially if they could triple balance.

Just to re-iterate, what happened in the last match does not clearly violate any FIRST value, and 3161 earned their first place by co-oping in every single match, but personally it would leave a bad taste in my mouth if our team had refused to co-op.

3161 and 1114 together. Ooh interesting.

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1114 took the offer as they should have. That will give them the best chance to win.
OP may be playing with fire by settling for 7th, but we'll see.

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I don't remember 4001, but with 2056's 'stinger' are they building a triple team?

But these elims are shaping up very nicely.

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I'm having a hard time with 2056 declining 1241 from so low. I think the previous commenter is correct, they're playing with fire.

I'm a little surprised 1114 didnt decline 3161 because of their elims performance suffering from defense.

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It looks like 2056 built themselves a 2 wide bot alliance.

Guess they're gonna score like mad then triple balance. it could take them to the finals.

-Nick

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It's a pure numbers play. 1114 knows from Waterloo that you cna just shove basket points down the other alliances' throats and they can't recover. Two of the highest global OPRs on the same team must be unstoppable, even against wellcoordinated defense.

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It could win them the regional. Anyone know anything about 1075 [188's first pick]? Are we going to have a triple balance face-off QF?

I think 1114 played it safe. They are still favorites.

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3161 and 3683 last week were on the same alliance (combined alliance OPR: 57, compared to 1114/2056 with 63), and were taken out by the #6 alliance (combined alliance OPR: 20ish) in the quarterfinals. Despite me being the OPRNet maintainer, I gotta say OPR isn't everything.

If the opposition sends a defenderbot to fiddle with ball pickup and get in 3161's way, then the #1 alliance will probably be down to just 1114 scoring. If the defender bot then manages to impede them from bridging, it could be 2 bots to 1 balanced (this strategy is what happened in waterloo quarterfinals last week).

These eliminations are going to be sooo good. I'm hoping for 1114 vs 2056 in the finals, that'd be epic. 2056 will have a tough battle getting through 188 though.

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There's a reason we still play the matches:cool:

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I think they did it to gain an advantage over 2056. In my mind they would have had a better alliance with 188, but they accepted 3161 so that 2056 wouldn't get them. Good call? We'll find out.

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We didn't go into selections without any kind of discussion about who we wanted, you know... :)

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Just triple balanced. 2056 sent 2200 to play defense and had 4001 act as a deadweight.

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To produce the OPR matrices, right? :p

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I'm fully aware that strong teams like 3161, 1114, and 2056 all have lots of strategy and discussions. I've watched them all play for the last 10 years, and have gained a pretty good handle on strategy. I can usually predict picks and declines with a reasonable level of accuracy. I'm a little surprised by a few decisions here is all, including 188's pick of us.

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SF2.1... Shouldnt 1241 have gotten 49pt penalty for interfering with the blue alliances triple?

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The feed died. HELP! We just noticed that 1241/907's alliance won a match against 2056 and want to watch.

Edit: back, thanks 2200!

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Actually, that's a Red Card on top of the T-foul and balanced bridge if balancing is interfered with.

I didn't see the match, so I can't comment either way. Though I would guess that someone might be asking the ref anyway.

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Stream is back. I didn't see the alleged interfering, was there a call?

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Youtube.com/watchfirstnow probably has a recording of it up

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EDIT:
It's 2056 vs 1114!

Not to be disrespectful to the other teams, it's actually 3161/1114/2634 vs 2056/4001/2200. 1st vs 6th.

I haven't watched Canada too carefully, but I think any qualification matches between 2056 and 1114 has gone 1114's way, and they are the stronger alliance, have a slightly more consistent triple and a better auto. However, 2200 and 4001 have played some great defence in the semis, so they might pose a threat that the 1st seed haven't seen before.

I'm looking forward to it.

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This is going to be an incredible final round!

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Defintiely! I think this has been something we have all been waiting for. 1114 and 2056 split, and then end up against each other. Will 2056's record be toppled?

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Finals are happening at GTR West right now! Join over 400 viewers at http://watchfirstnow.com

3161/1114/907 vs 2056/2200/4001

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Is it just me, or did Karthik just do the most epic intro speech of all time for the finals?

It was pretty awesome.

-Michael

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yes. it was incredibly epic, as usual!

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What an epic match.!!!!

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I agree, it was an awesome first match.

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That was the best match I have seen this year!

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If that speech didn't get you excited for the finals, I don't know what could. :p

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nobody from the red alliance playing defense on 2056's fender shooting?

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I do agree. Such an exiting finals and its only 1 match in!!
I cant confirm, but is that the highest combined score so far?

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WOW.

Karthik's build-up was amazing, the match was amazing, the finish was amazing.

That's probably the highest scoring match so far [in combination].

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Yup. that is for sure.

would have been even more awesome if there was a double-triple balance.

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Finals 1: 191: highest combined alliance score of 2012? 102-89

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Who are you guys rooting for?

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Yup. The previous was somewhere in the 150's or 160's. Did not expect any less from these two alliances. Just wait for a double-triple balance.

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I'm personally a big fan of records, so I'm cheering on 2056 [as I have been all regional]. And they're technically the underdogs.

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152 used to be the max total score for single match; Match E19 at Waterford. Now dethroned by F1.

there you go austin.

-Michael

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The second one wasn't as exciting [1114 died and 2634 was flipped], but congratulations 2056/2200/4001. Their record goes on!

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Congrats to 2056, 4001, and 2200. You guys were truly unbelievable to watch on the live feed. Congrats on keeping the streak going 2056! Great played, and exciting finals for both alliances. To 1114, 3161 and 2634, you guys formed an epic alliance, that fought hard, and got a little unlucky, but still played all out, and you should all be very proud of yourselves. The entire tournament was also very amazing. It was so fun to watch. Every team put on a show in the qualifiers, and the eliminations were even more awe-inspiring.

Regards,
Michael

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The pebble has been taken from 1114's hand.

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The two finals matches at GTR-West: 342 points

The first 10 qualifying matches combined at GTR-West: 352 points.

Incredible performances all around.

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2056 is beast. Period.

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Karthik really isnt kidding. Ontario, not MI, CA, IN or CT, is the home turf of the best FRC robot builders in the world.

I'm starting to see more and more of Ontario's second tier travelling to faraway lands where they don't have to play second fiddle to 1114 and 2056, and coming home with hardware. See 772 in TN, and 610 in AZ, and 188 in OH.

Their high-end influence has risen the bar in Ontario, and the second tier is becoming much stronger for it. Most finalist alliances from Toronto or Waterloo from the last 5 years could win most other places.

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Congrats to the winners of the regional.

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1114 didn't move in Finals Match 2. Period*

*I agree with you, but there were other circumstances as well.

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Congrats to the winning alliance. That was incredible.

Though I am really happy for 2056 keeping their record, I would have like to see them beat 1114 in a match where both alliances were at their best. Not with a robot tipped and one dead.

Still, what a set of exciting finals matches.

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Thanks for perfectly stating what I am thinking! Totally agree!

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I would have loved to see a 3 match finals round, rather than the second match with a tipped bot and a dead bot...

but still congrats to 2056 on keeping there winning streak alive and to 2200 and 4001 for playing some great defense and doing some great balancing. good luck to all at the championships.

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To be fair to 2056/4001/2200, they did win one match where everything was square.

But yes, it would have been more exciting to see everything fully functioning.

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1114 died right after hybrid. Might have even been during hybrid.

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Before the balance, 1114's alliance was up at least 9 points... Then 1114's alliance missed the triple balance due to the end robot tipping off the bridge.

IMO, nothing against 2056, 1114 is the better of the two. 2056's game was nearly exclusively fender, which looking at other events isn't always a good strategy during elims whereas 1114's key shot is on the money along with their autonomous, or so it appeared.

In any case, those F1 may have been one of the most epic matches of 2012.

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I'm still one who thinks this was the best intro I've ever seen:
http://www.thebluealliance.com/match/2007wat_f1m1
2007 Waterloo Regional Finals.

A huge congrats to 2056, 4001 and 2200 for winning one of the greatest finals at a regional even in FIRST History and winning the Greater Toronto West Regional. Congrats also goes out to 1114, 3161 and 2634 for putting on one of the greatest shows in those finals that FIRST has ever seen.

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I agree with 1114 being the better team overall as they were the 1st seed at both GTR east and Waterloo and very close at this event. However the only thing I have to point out is although 2056 is shooting mostly from the fender they have the ability to shoot from the key according to their specs on their website http://www.2056.ca/robot/general-lee.

and yes I agree the 1st match of those finals is the best match I have seen.

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I see. Cheers for the correction.

1114's alliance didn't balance and 2056 alliance did. Fair game in my opinion, the triple will always risk a tip. I agree that I think their alliance was the stronger one [I think a lot of the 9 points came from the hybrid difference], but at the same time they played no defence on 2056, which surprised me.

I also thought 1114 is a stronger robot than 2056, although I'm not so sure about that anymore. They're pretty close.

To weigh the two: 2056 can score from the key, they did it in one of the elims. I'm not so sure how accurate they are, but the time I saw they banked all the balls. 2056 also has a multi-ball auto if they use it, I haven't yet seen 1114 use one but they might also have it. 2056 however is slightly slower at shooting/getting in to position, and sometimes balls spill out from their robot when they drive around. Also, 1114 are better at balancing and co-op balancing, partly due to their claw mechanism. I think 1114 is a better qualification match bot, but it's close when it comes to elims.

As I said, I think that's the first time they've faced off this season [in qualis] where 1114 lost.

But they're frighteningly good robots, and what someone said about the quality in Canada is true. This is the first year where I've properly watched other regionals, and there are some seriously strong teams in Canada.

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I liked getting to see 1114 and 2056 playing against each other, in their respective red and blue nonetheless. :D

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Wow. That is close, it is really hard to decide which one is better. Karthik seemed more confident in this year's one, but i like what he did with the medals in the '07 intro. Why is he so good at this stuff?!?!?!?!?

-Michael

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He has a knowledge of the teams and the FIRST experience unlike any other MC I've seen.

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For those of us who missed watching the finals matches, does anyone have a link to a video?

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Finals 1.1
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21501483

Finals 1.2
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21501857

EDIT: I just realized this is my 1000th post. Hooray for me

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Thanks!

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This is the first time 2056 has ever played a regional elimination match wearing blue bumpers. (EDIT: If you don't count the days before bumper color was the alliance marker)

They've won from the #1 alliance at each of their past 13 wins.

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They have also posted the new highest score this year for the blue alliance. See post below for correction who.