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The Lucas 01-04-2012 22:13

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
Final Rankings are up. I like the choice of color for those teams making it ;)

Looks pretty close the GDoc. Great work with the live updates, Scott!

Deetman 01-04-2012 22:23

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
Does anyone know how the first tie break works? "Best Elimination Finish"

If neither team makes it out of the quarterfinals what is the basis for these points? Cumulative draft order points? One event draft order points? Best draft order points?

For example: 4373 and 1712 tied with 34 pts. 4373 has 9 pts "Best Elimination Finish" and 1712 has 1 pt. Is this right?

EDIT:
It also appears the 204 and 1672 tie break wasn't done properly. 204 had more points from alliance selection, however 1672 made it to the semis which seems to me to meet the intent of best elimination finish.

Ed Law 01-04-2012 23:46

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deetman (Post 1152640)
Does anyone know how the first tie break works? "Best Elimination Finish"

If neither team makes it out of the quarterfinals what is the basis for these points? Cumulative draft order points? One event draft order points? Best draft order points?

For example: 4373 and 1712 tied with 34 pts. 4373 has 9 pts "Best Elimination Finish" and 1712 has 1 pt. Is this right?

EDIT:
It also appears the 204 and 1672 tie break wasn't done properly. 204 had more points from alliance selection, however 1672 made it to the semis which seems to me to meet the intent of best elimination finish.

I agree the tiebreaks are not correct. Best Elimination Finish is how far a team advance out of the first two district events a team competed in. It seems that the number there is the alliance points and even if that is the case, it was not consistent.
I also noticed that the tiebreak is not what we use in Michigan. I have to take back my statement in an earlier post about being identical. It is not. Did MAR ever published what the tiebreaks are? In Michigan, this is what we use.

If any teams have the same number of points, the following hierarchy of tiebreakers will be used to break the tie:

1. Elimination Round Performance Points
2. Best Elimination Round Finish
3. Draft Points
4. Highest Draft/Seed Achieved
5. Qualification Round Win-Loss Points
6. Most Wins
7. Highest Match Score
8. Second Highest Match Score
9. Third Highest Match Score
10. Coin Flip


The important thing is the teams that advance to the Championship is the same using both tiebreaks. I am not sure if it goes down further if it is still the case.

Deetman 02-04-2012 00:21

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
Per the Feb. 27th document on the MAR website detailing point break down, registration details, etc. the tiebreakers are the same as FiM:

1. Elimination Round Performance Points
2. Best Elimination Round Finish
3. Draft Points
4. Highest Draft/Seed Achieved
5. Qualification Round Win-Loss Points
6. Most Wins
7. Highest Match Score
8. Second Highest Match Score
9. Third Highest Match Score
10. Coin Flip

To clarify my understanding let's assume two tied teams get to elimination rounds but neither advances beyond quarterfinals:
1. Elim. Performance points are 0 for both teams as no points are awarded to quarter finalists.
2. Best Elimination Round Finish is 0 (1? equal regardless...) for both teams as they lost in the quarter finals.
3. Draft points. Is this cumulative or a single event?

The remainder are self explanatory.

Ed Law 02-04-2012 00:57

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deetman (Post 1152712)
Per the Feb. 27th document on the MAR website detailing point break down, registration details, etc. the tiebreakers are the same as FiM:

1. Elimination Round Performance Points
2. Best Elimination Round Finish
3. Draft Points
4. Highest Draft/Seed Achieved
5. Qualification Round Win-Loss Points
6. Most Wins
7. Highest Match Score
8. Second Highest Match Score
9. Third Highest Match Score
10. Coin Flip

To clarify my understanding let's assume two tied teams get to elimination rounds but neither advances beyond quarterfinals:
1. Elim. Performance points are 0 for both teams as no points are awarded to quarter finalists.
2. Best Elimination Round Finish is 0 (1? equal regardless...) for both teams as they lost in the quarter finals.
3. Draft points. Is this cumulative or a single event?

The remainder are self explanatory.

1. Elimination Round Performance Points is the cumulative elimination round points from the two district events. If both times the team went to quarterfinals but did not advance, the number is 0.
2. Best Elimination Round Finish is the highest elimination round points from the two district events. If both times were 0, then the best is 0.
3. Draft Points is cumulative. The wording is not clear but remember that we are trying to rank teams after their 2 district events to see who gets to state/region championship. We are not trying to rank teams within one event. Hence it is cumulative.

Deetman 02-04-2012 15:29

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
Spoke with Ed Petrillo today via e-mail. The primary concern for getting the rankings up last night was to ensure that the 54 qualifying teams were correct and all tiebreakers for those teams were applied correctly.

Ed will be taking a look at the back fill teams to make sure they are correct before the system opens up for them to register.

Siri 02-04-2012 17:43

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
Wondering if anyone else run into the following issue: we've accepted on TIMS but money in our FIRST account ($6,000) isn't being applied towards the registration cost. We're still listed as wait-listed and unpaid. Is there another step people have had to take? Thanks!

Deetman 02-04-2012 18:19

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
I would definitely call FIRST as early as possible tomorrow morning just to be sure Siri. There are 9 teams listed on the FIRST website as registered already and I have a hard time believing that only 9 teams have confirmed. If I had to guess they haven't had time to finish processing the registrations yet.

galewind 02-04-2012 22:18

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 
They only consider you registered if you have a payment plan in place (Check already sent, PO, etc)

1089 put a PO into FIRST around the time of Lenape, just to try to make sure we had payment situated in case we qualified.


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