Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Does anyone know where I can find the latest MAR rankings?
I know one set was released on 3/9 over here.
Where are the weeks since?

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

The spreadsheet linked to by that URL has been updated to include the Week 2 MAR Events, but has not yet (to my knowledge; Dropbox is blocked at work) been updated to reflect Lenape. But when it is, that link should be the right one.

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I would guess that the MAR folk need a bit of time to update for the Lenape District since it just ended yesterday.

For what it's worth, there were no Week 3 MAR events, hence why the last update was 3/9.

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I spent some time an manually updated their spreadsheet to reflect Lenape last night.

When I get home from work I could possibly post an unofficial version or let people know where they stand unofficially on a team by team basis.

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Did this at work today here is what I have. I can post the spreadsheet in a google doc if people would like that, it was just easier to copy and paste from excel though.


Mid-Atlantic Robotics 2012 FRC District Events
Week 1 - Hatboro Horsham (HH) Week 2 - Springside-Chestnut Hill (CH) Week 2 - Rutgers University (RU) Week 4- Lenape Seneca (LS) Week 5- Mt. Olive (MO)
Rank Team No. 1st Event Played Event 1 Qual. Points Event 1 Alliance Selection Points Event 1 Elim. Points Event 1 Award Points Event 1 Total Points 2nd Event Played Event 2 Qual. Points Event 2 Alliance Selection Points Event 2 Elim. Points Event 2 Award Points Event 2 Total Points Total Points District Chairman's - Auto. Advance
1 1218 1-HH 22 16 30 5 73 2-CH 20 16 30 5 71 144 Yes
2 341 1-HH 23 16 30 5 74 2-CH 20 16 30 4 70 144
3 365 2-CH 14 15 10 5 44 4-LS 16 14 30 5 65 109
4 2016 1-HH 17 14 20 5 56 2-RU 14 14 20 2 50 106
5 2590 1-HH 16 15 10 5 46 4-LS 12 14 30 2 58 104 Yes
6 357 1-HH 20 14 20 2 56 2-CH 18 13 2 33 89
7 486 1-HH 15 15 10 40 2-CH 14 15 10 5 44 84
8 2180 2-CH 12 3 16 5 36 4-LS 18 15 10 5 48 84
9 834 1-HH 14 13 10 37 2-CH 14 12 10 36 73
10 1370 2-RU 7 1 24 32 4-LS 16 8 16 40 72
11 1676 2-RU 20 16 30 5 71 5-MO 0 71
12 4342 1-HH 6 6 5 17 2-CH 18 14 20 2 54 71
13 224 1-HH 12 9 21 2-RU 20 15 10 45 66
14 56 2-RU 18 16 30 64 5-MO 0 64
15 708 1-HH 6 3 16 2 27 2-CH 18 13 2 33 60
16 1403 2-RU 20 14 20 5 59 5-MO 0 59
17 225 1-HH 11 8 19 2-CH 18 12 10 40 59
18 2729 2-CH 16 7 4 27 4-LS 15 12 5 32 59
19 1391 1-HH 11 11 4-LS 14 9 20 5 48 59
20 1168 1-HH 12 13 10 35 2-RU 14 9 23 58
21 2607 1-HH 11 5 16 4-LS 14 13 10 5 42 58
22 222 2-CH 18 14 20 5 57 5-MO 0 57
23 2559 2-CH 10 1 24 35 4-LS 10 4 8 22 57
24 1089 2-RU 9 11 20 4-LS 20 16 36 56
25 1640 1-HH 13 1 24 38 4-LS 12 5 17 55
26 1647 1-HH 17 12 5 34 4-LS 13 6 19 53
27 316 2-CH 14 8 5 27 4-LS 14 11 25 52
28 3974 2-CH 10 6 2 18 4-LS 18 2 8 6 34 52
29 1811 1-HH 11 2 8 2 23 2-RU 18 2 8 28 51
30 869 1-HH 9 5 14 2-RU 18 13 5 36 50
31 816 2-CH 10 4 14 4-LS 8 3 24 35 49
32 2191 2-CH 10 10 4-LS 9 9 20 38 48
33 423 2-CH 12 5 8 25 4-LS 12 10 22 47
34 272 1-HH 12 10 22 4-LS 14 11 25 47
35 484 2-CH 12 10 22 4-LS 12 7 5 24 46
36 2234 1-HH 12 12 24 2-CH 10 11 21 45
37 1143 1-HH 11 11 22 2-RU 14 8 22 44
38 1302 2-RU 18 15 10 43 5-MO 0 43
39 3314 2-RU 14 12 10 5 41 5-MO 0 41
40 223 2-RU 10 7 17 4-LS 12 10 2 24 41
41 103 4-LS 14 15 10 2 41 5-MO 0 41
42 87 1-HH 11 11 4-LS 16 12 28 39
43 1279 2-RU 16 12 10 38 5-MO 0 38
44 1626 2-RU 14 5 8 27 4-LS 6 5 11 38
45 433 2-CH 18 11 29 4-LS 8 8 37 Yes
46 25 4-LS 20 16 36 5-MO 0 36
47 709 1-HH 13 4 8 2 27 2-CH 8 8 35
48 4373 1-HH 13 2 15 2-CH 10 9 19 34
49 1712 1-HH 11 10 21 4-LS 12 1 13 34
50 2539 1-HH 9 9 2-CH 12 9 21 30
51 203 2-RU 12 8 2 22 4-LS 6 2 8 30
52 555 2-RU 16 13 29 5-MO 0 29
53 1923 1-HH 16 11 27 5-MO 0 27
54 1228 2-RU 14 11 25 5-MO 0 25
55 3142 2-RU 10 10 5 25 5-MO 0 25
56 2229 1-HH 9 9 2-CH 6 2 8 16 25
57 3515 2-RU 14 3 8 25 5-MO 0 25
58 4128 2-RU 14 2 16 4-LS 9 9 25
59 321 2-CH 10 10 4-LS 14 14 24
60 714 1-HH 12 9 2 23 5-MO 0 23
61 1367 2-RU 14 9 23 5-MO 0 23
62 293 1-HH 8 7 15 4-LS 8 8 23
63 3929 2-CH 12 10 22 5-MO 0 22
64 1791 1-HH 12 12 2-CH 10 10 22
65 3167 1-HH 10 10 4-LS 12 12 22
66 3637 2-RU 10 10 20 5-MO 0 20
67 11 2-RU 10 6 2 18 5-MO 0 18 Yes
68 3151 2-CH 8 8 4-LS 8 2 10 18
69 3123 1-HH 8 8 2-CH 4 5 9 17
70 1807 2-CH 6 6 4-LS 11 11 17
71 41 2-RU 12 4 16 5-MO 0 16
72 1495 1-HH 8 8 2-CH 8 8 16
73 2495 2-CH 8 8 4-LS 8 8 16
74 3607 1-HH 7 7 4-LS 9 9 16
75 2577 2-RU 15 15 5-MO 0 15
76 219 2-RU 8 5 13 5-MO 0 13
77 4347 2-RU 13 13 5-MO 0 13
78 1881 2-RU 10 2 12 5-MO 0 12
79 136 2-RU 4 4 4-LS 8 8 12
80 204 4-LS 12 12 5-MO 0 12
81 2600 1-HH 11 11 5-MO 0 11
82 102 2-RU 10 10 5-MO 0 10
83 303 2-RU 10 10 5-MO 0 10
84 1257 2-CH 10 10 5-MO 0 10
85 1672 2-RU 10 10 5-MO 0 10
86 2458 2-RU 10 10 5-MO 0 10
87 3340 2-RU 8 2 10 5-MO 0 10
88 4285 1-HH 8 2 10 5-MO 0 10
89 4361 1-HH 8 2 10 5-MO 0 10
90 304 2-CH 4 4 4-LS 6 6 10
91 613 2-RU 9 9 5-MO 0 9
92 1989 2-RU 4 5 9 5-MO 0 9
93 75 2-RU 6 2 8 5-MO 0 8
94 2554 2-RU 8 8 5-MO 0 8
95 4035 2-CH 8 8 5-MO 0 8
96 3553 2-CH 8 8 4-LS 0 8
97 4281 2-RU 5 2 7 5-MO 0 7
98 752 2-RU 4 4 5-MO 0 4
99 896 4-LS 0 5-MO 0 0

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

I have been predicting for a couple weeks that the threshold between the 60th and 61st ranked MAR teams (the threshold between being invited to MAR Championship or not) will fall within a couple points of 35 points. The updated rankings (with 4/5 of the MAR points available rewarded) seem to confirm that. Keep in mind that it is likely that not all teams will accept their invitation, so teams after 60th place may still be able to attend.

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Interesting, and just to ask, are you sure it's 60 teams? I've seen a variety of numbers, ranging from 50 teams (in a packet/brochure/program given out at Rutgers) to 54 (can't recall where I read this one, somewhat makes sense given the 5 Chairman's auto-qualifiers) to 60 (in the MAR supplement).

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I am not 100% confident in the number, but it is the one I have heard tossed around most often. The MAR Supplement is also, to me, the most "official" of the documents you listed.

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The number attending the MAR Championship was stated as 60 in the Supplemental Rules, but has to be reduced due to changes in the setup at Temple. This should be firmed up soon but will be in the 52-54 range.

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Thanks for clearing this up.

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Unfortunately, this is likely the difference between Dawgma qualifying for the event and sitting at home. :(

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Unfortunate, but true. If Carol is in fact correct, which it sounds like she is, FIRST (or MAR) should announce it officially, so teams that might think that they are going to Philly, or are unsure if they are going or not, can have a definite answer before making plans.

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Thanks for the clarification. In this case, I think that 40 points is going to be close to the "magic number".

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Carol,

While on the subject, do you know if there have been any changes at all regarding what qualifies teams at Philly to advance to St. Louis?

Also, if they are reducing the number of teams being able to attend Philly due to the setup at Temple, are they going to downsize teams' pits as well?

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If that's the case, this weekend just got a lot more interesting for a LOT more teams!

For example, after the top 8 teams, seeding really doesn't matter for points, but wins do.

So if you're 27th or something, and you essentially have no shot at making top 8, do you go for the coopertition bridge and maybe lose? Or do you continue to score more points and insure the win while forgoing the bridge?

Just some things to consider for teams attending Mt Olive This weekend (mine included)

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I think it's safe to say that not all top 52-54 teams will attend either due to financial or logistical reasons - heck, I've heard of teams that had no plans on going because they were already going to the 'real' CMP - so all hope is not lost. In the event that a team in the top 52-54 declines it's spot, it'll go to the next highest ranked uninvited team.

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From a Don Bowers email after week 2 -

"To date the only three teams that have qualified for the Regional Championship are the three Chairman's Award winners - #11, #433, and #1218. For the Regional Championship we expect 52 teams from our field of 99 to qualify and compete."

It seems like an easy enough thing to crowdsource - I just put the week 2 results into a public Google Doc, feel free to edit/update. Might be nice for teams at Mount Olive to use as a resource if people are updating the results during the event/after day 1 there.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1YVpMQURnY 0E

I'll probably update in a couple hours if someone doesn't beat me to it (jb/deetman?)

Update: The sheet should be up to date now.

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Understood, but we currently sit at 49th, with one automatic qualifier (11) and more than 30 of the Mount Olive competitors behind us looking to leapfrog our standings. It would take a massive amount of declines for 1712 to be able to attend. Can't blame anyone but ourselves for this predicament, though.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Updated the rankings on the doc linked above. 56 teams have completed their 2 qualifying events. It seems that 3553 and 896 haven't competed at any events, leaving us with 97 teams total. 41 teams (assuming no 896) finish the MAR qualifying season at Mount Olive this weekend.

Of the 56 teams that are finished, the average accrued point total is 50.55, with 341 and 1218 leading the pack with 144! points each (seems fitting that they're tied, no?). The midpoint of the list (#28 & #29 of 56) has team 2191 with 48 points and team 272 with 47.

So it seems likely at this point that 433 will be outside the cutoff (with 37 points after 2 events). Depending on how MORT and the future CA winner perform, that may mean that the cutoff could be as high as the 49th ranked team (with 1218 and 2590 already qualified via points).

With all that in mind, I would bet on the cutoff being somewhere in the high 40's. Should be an awesome weekend.

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I was not aware of this, thanks for the clear up!

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3553 competed at CHA, but did not come to Lenape.


I wasn't able to go to any of the scoring meetings so I maybe wrong but I thought winning chairman's at CHA automatically qaulified us for Temple? Would being outside the cutoff affect our eligiblity?

Thanks,
~Hannah

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Yes, you automatically qualified by virtue of your District Chairman's Award. They were just noting how this affects the "cutoff" point in the sorted list of teams.

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Oh Ok, Thank You, I wanted to make sure that my understanding was correct. I see now how our ranking lower, pushes "the cutoff" higher up the list.

Good Luck to everyone who still has to compete this weekend.

~Hannah

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This thread's been driving me crazy, haha. I've been running numbers all evening to try and figure out how likely it is that my team will make it, it's actually kinda fun ::rtm::

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Try being one of the teams one of the teams competing this weekend and have to figure out what you have to do to make the cut off...THAT'S maddening lol.

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I pulled down a copy of the Gdoc and did some calculations to determine who has clinched qualification in the MAR championship. If these calculations (mine and the point totals from the Gdoc) are correct...
Congrats to 1168, 2607, 2729 and all other teams with 58 pts or more. You have mathematically clinched a berth in the MAR championship.

A little background on my method of calculation. First I calculated the points remaining in MAR: 42 (number of teams at Mt. Olive) * 2 (# of qual matches is twice # the teams) * 6 (possible pts per match) + 483 pts (e.g. awards, elim performance, alliance selection) = 987 possible pts left in MAR.

Next for each team high in the rankings, calculate the minimum number of pts needed for enough Mt. Olive teams to tie them in the rankings to possibly force that team out of MAR Championship on tie breakers. If this min pts is greater than 987, then that team has clinched a berth. For example, it would take 1047 pts for the next 29 active teams to tie the 3 teams tied at 58 pts (ranked 19-21). The 29 teams takes into account Chairman's winners current ranked below them (433 & 11) and assumes the Mt. Olive Chairman's winner is not one of those 29 teams or any teams currently ranked above them. I looks good for teams tied at 57 pts (especially active Team 222), since the min number is 971 which is just short of the 987 possible. All pts accumulated by already qualified teams reduces the cutoff point.

I attached my spreadsheet. The clinching teams are highlighted in green, and the one that are currently in (w/o Mt. Olive) are highlighted in orange. The array of numbers to the right of each team's total points are used for the pt calculations. Please tell me if I made any mistakes and feel free to extend the sheet however you want (live updates as Mt. Olive is happening, maybe ;) ).


I believe 896 is currently going to Mt. Olive since it is much closer to their school and they will have 6 more hours to work on their bot.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Good stuff! Now that we (almost) have an entire season under our belts, we should be able to look at the shape of the points distribution to help better predict the "cutoff" in future seasons. I would also be interested in figuring out whether the shape of our curve closely resembles that of FIRST in Michigan's (if only there was a mentor in Michigan who keeps statistics about these sorts of things... :cool:).

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Shouldn't there be a further method of determining the cutoff? For instance, 1640 is currently sitting at 28 (assuming worst case that the MO Chairman's winner is ranked under us). This means, I think, that 25 teams (minimum) need to move above us, putting us at 53. The least number of points this requires is 827, under the overall point remainder of 987. Have I done this correctly?

However, this leapfrogging (at its minimum) requires 10 teams to earn 40 or more points at Mount Olive and another 8 to earn 30 or more (2 in the 20s, and 5 in the 10s). There should be some mathematical limit to the points one team can acquire, and another limit to the number of teams who can earn, say, 40 points.

I'm working on figuring this out. (Thought I had it there for a while...) Is this what you're doing in columns Q-AB?

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I'm sure that it gets more complex as we look at things like the match schedule to find the max number of qual. points for the top teams to earn. Right now every team has the chance to earn 48 QP. With every match a team loses/ties/fails to coop, their ceiling decreases. Once alliances are selected it should be slightly more clear which teams are mathematically eliminated, but elims will probably still be able to alter the outcome significantly.

All of the bubble teams should be hoping for teams currently above them to earn as many points as possible, since that doesn't change their standing at all.

So the moral is: Win CA at Mount Olive, or earn somewhere in the range of 58+ points to lock in a spot. I'm guessing the cutoff will be somewhere around the high 40's, so anything in that range is dangerous.

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Why did Team 103 only get 12 Qualifying Points at Lenape? They have 7 wins. Shouldn't the Qualifying Points be 14? Can somebody point me to the official document that MAR publish?

Also it does not look like the spreadsheet is applying the tiebreaks if teams get the same total ranking points.

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You are correct I have updated the data to reflect ties and other issues. Let me know if you spot anything else.

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The official is up
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407395/MAR%20Docs/MAR%20Event%20Docs/Ranking%203-26-12/2012%20MAR%20District%20Event%20Rankings%20Week%20 4.xlsx

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Those give the official results on scoring for Lenape, but the main page with cumulative results still hasn't added in Lenape


EDIT: woooooooooow ::rtm::

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Go to the tab all the way on the left.

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I have no one to blame but myself :eek:

(I could have sworn CD had a facepalm/face slap emoticon...)

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Looks Like we might have an interesting time at Mount Olive for the last few teams in:

I'll do my best Joe Lunardi impression with MAR Championship Qualifying and the Mount Olive field.


Highly Probable Locks (High Ranking Points)

Rank Team Ranking Points
11 1676 71
13 56 64
15 1403 59
21 222 57
67 11* 18

*11 Qualified with a Chairman's win


Next 5 In (As it Stands Now). These are the teams with HUGE targets on their backs.

Rank Team Ranking Points
38 1302 43
39 103 41
40 3314 41
43 1279 38
46 25 36

First 5 Out (As it Stands Now)
Rank Team Ranking Points
52 555 29
53 1923 27
54 3515 25
56 1228 25
57 3142 25

Next 5 Out (As it Stands Now)

Rank Team Ranking Points
60 714 23
61 1367 23
63 3929 22
66 3637 20
71 41 16

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Minor quibble, but I was corrected that 3553 did compete at Chestnut Hill - bluealliance lists them as going 4-8, so they should have 8QP right?

Edit:

Also looks like 224 might have miscalculated point totals - they competed at Hatboro (1), Rutgers (2), and Lenape (4). I thought that teams participating in more than 2 events would have the points from their first two events used for their ranking. In which case they should have their points from the Rutgers event substituted for their points from the Lenape event.

I'll go find the bylaws and make sure my memory is correct.

Otherwise the public google doc and the official standing agree, the google doc doesn't factor in tiebreaks though...

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Blue Alliance is incorrect. 3553 went 0-4, and received a Red Card for not showing up to their other matches.

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TBA looks at the alliance score/win, but doesn't track DQs/noshows/cards. FIRST tracks the number of DQs, though.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but after reading the MAR pamphlet it seems that you get no extra points for having more QP. Only for your win-loss record. So theoretically the most points a team can get is 24 points from that (going a perfect 12-0)

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Correct.

This is why only the first 12 Quals at RU counted for any team that was there. If not, some teams could've gotten an additional point or two in the final tally.

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So that'll make for some interesting matches. Do you go for the co-op bridge and help your ranking a bit? Or do you keep scoring and try to win all your matches?

Personally, If I know that we won't make the top 8, I'd go for the 2 points and to help try to get to the Championship in Philly.

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We will be going for the co-op every time. From our observations it would seem that teams who get the most co-op points tend to do the best in qualifications and eliminations (based on Rutgers). Resulting in the most overall points towards the MAR CMP.

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Congrats 1089 and all teams with 56 or more points. You have mathematically clinched a berth in the MAR Championship, if my calculations are correct. Feel free to check my calculations in the attached spreadsheet (modified from the official Week 4 spreadsheet, Thanks MAR).

Siri, most of what you said sounds right, although I havent checked it against the old unofficial numbers because I have new official ones.

The good news is that 1640 is the top team on the bubble with 55 pts. It would take at least 915 of the 987 available pts allocated to the 27 Mt Olive teams directly below you to possibly force you out on tiebreakers. While I still believe this is theoretically possible when it comes to point combinations, it pretty much requires the alliance picking and semi finals to be dominated by teams currently ranked 66 and below (highly unlikely). Check out column X in the new spreadsheet to see the specifics. The easier way to think about is: you just need the 4 Mt. Olive powerhouse teams above you (already clinched) to stockpile at least 73 pts (pretty safe assumption).

To all those teams on the Bubble, my prediction for the cutoff is 44 pts. This is based on another prediction that the top 11 currently ranked Mt Olive teams and MORT (Autobid) will earn over 500 of the 987 pts and another Chairmans AutoBid (Note: I don't know who is submitting there).

It should be a very exciting weekend. I am sure some Bubble teams will tune into the webcast root for MORT, The high ranked teams and low ranked teams in every match to improve their chances against the other Bubble teams.

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Going for the coop balance or the win is interesting in the Distric model when you factor the qualification system for championships in. It looks like those two points for each win make a big difference in determining the seeding but a team can also score some major points by being a high seed or draft pick. The teams who most consistently balanced on the coop bridge have been the higher picks so far and have earned some good points to be in a good position to qualify for Philly.

I also wonder how the statistics here compare to FiM stats? And what the approach has been towards qualifying there this year and in the past? It all really does play in to how a team approaches a season.

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Nathan, I terms of numbers, idk how FiM compares, I'm sure the charts and tables are floating out there. But in terms of how they are ranked, the system is very similar! :P

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This here is true. I was freaking out myself, but you basically confirmed my worries.
They counted Lenape instead of Rutgers, when the opposite should be true.
Any idea who I should contact?

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I would contact Ed Petrillo.

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I second Ed as the contact: even if he can't fix it, he knows who can.

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The system you have is identical to FiM, at least for this first year. This is to ensure a smooth start for MAR. Next year, you can adjust the point system to your liking as long as FIRST headquarters agree. I personally would advocate for different regions to have the system they like. It is their choice how they want to advance teams to championships. In Michigan, we want to advance the most competitive robots to the State Championship and subsequently to have strong representations at World Championship.

I noticed the mistake about 224 and I already notified Ed Petrillo. I did not check to see if there are other errors. I just glanced at it and found one that does not match what my spreadsheet says.

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A revised ranking spreadsheet will be put up by our webmaster very soon. I have done the calculations so far and any errors have been my responsibility alone. Your input on the best way to present the results is welcome.

Ed Law has graciously calculated the MAR results on an independent basis as a check on our results. Our goal is to have this responsibility in the hands of two MAR members in the future.

Thanks to everyone who contacted me concerning errors.

Ed Petrillo
MAR Chair

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

The MAR system is identical to FiM as Ed wrote.

I am a proponent of keeping the system identical. As more Districts come online, identical point systems allow for us to 'visit other districts' and have them count in our own district CMP. Ultimately I see the 2-tier FRC system (Regional, then StL CMP) turning into a 3-tier system (District, District CMP, StL CMP). Then we cal all go visiting around the country again :D

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Official answer.

WHAT: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FIRST Robotics Competition Region Championship

WHEN: Thursday-Saturday, April 12th - April 14th - see below on special early delivery of Pit Equipment & Supplies and Robot on Wednesday evening, April 11th.

WHERE: Liacouras Center, Temple University, Philadelphia PA

WHO: 54 MAR FRC teams that qualify as a result of points earned following the five MAR FRC District events that conclude with the MAR FRC District event on March 31st-April 1st at Mount Olive HS.

SPECIAL NOTE: The final standings for our 99 MAR FRC teams will be posted on Sunday evening, April1. The 54 highest ranking teams will be first eligible to compete at the MAR FRC Region Championship. The main or alternate contact for every team on the eligible list must log in to TIMS and accept or decline the invitation by noon, Tuesday, April 3. As teams accept or decline their invitations FIRST will contact the next highest teams on the list and notify them of their invitation. Please respond as soon as possible so that all places at the Championship can be filled as soon as possible. WIthin 24 hours of a team accepting their invitation to compete at the Region Championship, each team must go into TIMS and register with FIRST and provide payment either through a check, a credit card, or a Purchase Order.

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Carol:

Does that figure of 54 include the 5 Chairman's Winners?

If not then it would be the top 49 teams from the points?

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I just updated the public google doc with standing after the first day of qualifying @ mount olive if anyone is interested. I'll probably do the same at some point tomorrow, but others are welcome to edit as well.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1YVpMQURnY 0E

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Attached is my last attempt at figuring out which teams have clinched. I updated the rankings to include Sat Mt. Olive points, 224 fix and the expanded 54 team field. Plenty of moving parts, but I think I got it right.

Congrats 103, 1640, 1279, 1302, 1647 and every other team with 53 or more points. See you at MAR Championship!

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

My post from last night wasn't approved, maybe because I put a link in it (new user verification?), but I'll be updating the standings in the google doc found in post #17 as elims start in mount olive.

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Thanks Scott!

I was going to do this myself today but I see you've already been updating the spreadsheet. If you need any help, let me know.

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Rankings should be accurate (excluding tiebreakers). Awards will be added as they're given. Right now the cutoff is 38 points, and I believe that 1626 holds the tiebreak over 75 (8 elim points vs 0 elim points). 433 is outside the cutoff so it's the top 53 teams by points. That may change when CA is awarded at Mount Olive.

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75 auto qualifies with chairman's- Congrats guys!

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Final Rankings are up. I like the choice of color for those teams making it ;)

Looks pretty close the GDoc. Great work with the live updates, Scott!

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Does anyone know how the first tie break works? "Best Elimination Finish"

If neither team makes it out of the quarterfinals what is the basis for these points? Cumulative draft order points? One event draft order points? Best draft order points?

For example: 4373 and 1712 tied with 34 pts. 4373 has 9 pts "Best Elimination Finish" and 1712 has 1 pt. Is this right?

EDIT:
It also appears the 204 and 1672 tie break wasn't done properly. 204 had more points from alliance selection, however 1672 made it to the semis which seems to me to meet the intent of best elimination finish.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

I agree the tiebreaks are not correct. Best Elimination Finish is how far a team advance out of the first two district events a team competed in. It seems that the number there is the alliance points and even if that is the case, it was not consistent.
I also noticed that the tiebreak is not what we use in Michigan. I have to take back my statement in an earlier post about being identical. It is not. Did MAR ever published what the tiebreaks are? In Michigan, this is what we use.

If any teams have the same number of points, the following hierarchy of tiebreakers will be used to break the tie:

1. Elimination Round Performance Points
2. Best Elimination Round Finish
3. Draft Points
4. Highest Draft/Seed Achieved
5. Qualification Round Win-Loss Points
6. Most Wins
7. Highest Match Score
8. Second Highest Match Score
9. Third Highest Match Score
10. Coin Flip


The important thing is the teams that advance to the Championship is the same using both tiebreaks. I am not sure if it goes down further if it is still the case.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Per the Feb. 27th document on the MAR website detailing point break down, registration details, etc. the tiebreakers are the same as FiM:

1. Elimination Round Performance Points
2. Best Elimination Round Finish
3. Draft Points
4. Highest Draft/Seed Achieved
5. Qualification Round Win-Loss Points
6. Most Wins
7. Highest Match Score
8. Second Highest Match Score
9. Third Highest Match Score
10. Coin Flip

To clarify my understanding let's assume two tied teams get to elimination rounds but neither advances beyond quarterfinals:
1. Elim. Performance points are 0 for both teams as no points are awarded to quarter finalists.
2. Best Elimination Round Finish is 0 (1? equal regardless...) for both teams as they lost in the quarter finals.
3. Draft points. Is this cumulative or a single event?

The remainder are self explanatory.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

1. Elimination Round Performance Points is the cumulative elimination round points from the two district events. If both times the team went to quarterfinals but did not advance, the number is 0.
2. Best Elimination Round Finish is the highest elimination round points from the two district events. If both times were 0, then the best is 0.
3. Draft Points is cumulative. The wording is not clear but remember that we are trying to rank teams after their 2 district events to see who gets to state/region championship. We are not trying to rank teams within one event. Hence it is cumulative.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Spoke with Ed Petrillo today via e-mail. The primary concern for getting the rankings up last night was to ensure that the 54 qualifying teams were correct and all tiebreakers for those teams were applied correctly.

Ed will be taking a look at the back fill teams to make sure they are correct before the system opens up for them to register.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

Wondering if anyone else run into the following issue: we've accepted on TIMS but money in our FIRST account ($6,000) isn't being applied towards the registration cost. We're still listed as wait-listed and unpaid. Is there another step people have had to take? Thanks!

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

I would definitely call FIRST as early as possible tomorrow morning just to be sure Siri. There are 9 teams listed on the FIRST website as registered already and I have a hard time believing that only 9 teams have confirmed. If I had to guess they haven't had time to finish processing the registrations yet.

Re: Latest MAR District Rankings?
 

They only consider you registered if you have a payment plan in place (Check already sent, PO, etc)

1089 put a PO into FIRST around the time of Lenape, just to try to make sure we had payment situated in case we qualified.