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jspatz1 26-03-2012 19:34

Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Here's some highlights from the St. Louis elims featuring our new gizmo. Anxious to get to champs and do some triples.
http://youtu.be/wxVGk77nMH0

Andrew Lawrence 26-03-2012 19:38

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
That's just awesome! I have a feeling that soon enough, a lot of teams will have these. The question is, when will it get to the point that you don't need one?

Great job! This is one of the best one's I've seen so far! Can't wait to see it at championships!

Jay1986 26-03-2012 19:58

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
I cant believe you actually named them that. I thought that was just a tongue twister joke

Cameron1986 26-03-2012 22:46

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Should have named them..."Team Titanium's Talons That Tip The Teeter-Totter To Totally Try To Triple "

Jeffy 27-03-2012 01:21

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Mind explaining the concept behind these types of things to someone who still hasn't been able to figure it out.

So, It would appear that robots don't move after the "talons" have pushed the bridge to level, but somehow, the bridge balances.
Is this because the CoM is in a position that it could be balanced, if the bridge were moved to level? (ie. tri-stable)

Looking good and making KC teams proud!

Justin Montois 27-03-2012 01:49

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffy (Post 1149947)
Mind explaining the concept behind these types of things to someone who still hasn't been able to figure it out.

So, It would appear that robots don't move after the "talons" have pushed the bridge to level, but somehow, the bridge balances.
Is this because the CoM is in a position that it could be balanced, if the bridge were moved to level? (ie. tri-stable)

Looking good and making KC teams proud!

An object at rest wants to stay at rest. If you can eliminate the teeter totter aspect of the bridge, it becomes infinitely easier to balance and stay balanced.

Travis Hoffman 27-03-2012 03:56

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
They remind me of a praying mantis - very slick!

alschnelle 27-03-2012 10:49

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cameron1986 (Post 1149860)
Should have named them..."Team Titanium's Talons That Tip The Teeter-Totter To Totally Try To Triple "

I strongly agree.

jspatz1 27-03-2012 12:44

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffy (Post 1149947)
Mind explaining the concept behind these types of things to someone who still hasn't been able to figure it out.

So, It would appear that robots don't move after the "talons" have pushed the bridge to level, but somehow, the bridge balances.
Is this because the CoM is in a position that it could be balanced, if the bridge were moved to level? (ie. tri-stable)

Looking good and making KC teams proud!

I think the benefit is two-fold:
The CG of the robots swings into balance or close to balance as the bridge tips. Picture the CG floating somewhere several inches above the center of the bridge surface, but not yet above the center bump because it is at an angle. As the bridge tips the CG rotates to a position above or close to above the center bump = balanced. This effect is greater as the robots are taller with a higher CG.
The second benefit is that of simply being horizontal. It is easy for nearly any robot to tweak and hold their position when horizontal, rather than on an incline.

Jared Russell 27-03-2012 12:56

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Solving a statics problem is generally simpler than solving a dynamics problem...in engineering and in driving robots.

Travis Hoffman 27-03-2012 17:53

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Just be glad they aren't Team Titanium's Tater Tot Talons.

jspatz1 28-03-2012 13:16

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
We tried tater tots in trials, they tended to tear in two under tipping tension.

nick_champ_2 28-03-2012 13:34

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Being a team that competed at the St. Louis Regional your robot was GREAT! One thing that I did notice was sometimes during the balancing the talons moving would cause your bridge to become UN-balanced. If there was a way for your robot to retract the talons without moving the complete arm, I do believe it would help you balance more.

But just a thought

jspatz1 28-03-2012 13:47

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
They are off the ground during balance and do not actually need to be retracted. I don't recall their retraction ever spoiling the balance. We did push too hard once and tipped the other way, then used them again on the second tip.

aldowyn 03-04-2012 09:53

Re: Team Titanium's Teeter-Totter Talons
 
Looks like you made at least some improvements since KC. Not that your robot wasn't good enough anyway... Congratulations on such an amazing robot :P


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