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RMiller 26-03-2012 23:14
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Law (Post 1149847)
Where did you get the data for Hawaii?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavapicker (Post 1149875)
Just wondering what happened to us on the hybrid and teleop scores?
It appears that for the Hawaii regional, only the overall OPR is posted, probably because of the lack of available information that Ed is referencing.

Gaurav27 26-03-2012 23:27
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
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Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1149757)
Just wondering what happened to statistics for 987?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankeefan181 (Post 1149769)
Do you have the total OPR for all weeks yet?
Please see the attached Excel spreadsheet for weeks 1 through 4 OPR. (Excluding Hawaii)
It has filters to rank by hybrid, bridge, teleop. and total. (Excluding Hawaii, even for the 'total')
It includes multiple entries for teams that have competed at more than one regional.
Feel free to change it up and add any functionalities. (i.e sort by regional, etc.)

Once again, thanks to Bongle for his work on OPR over the years to make it very easy to use and comprehend.

1986titans 26-03-2012 23:52
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaurav27 (Post 1149898)
Please see the attached Excel spreadsheet for weeks 1 through 4 OPR. (Excluding Hawaii)
It has filters to rank by hybrid, bridge, teleop. and total. (Excluding Hawaii, even for the 'total')
It includes multiple entries for teams that have competed at more than one regional.
Feel free to change it up and add any functionalities. (i.e sort by regional, etc.)

Once again, thanks to Bongle for his work on OPR over the years to make it very easy to use and comprehend.
Interesting things show up in the spreadsheet you posted because teams have multiple entries. It's a bit easier to see consistency (although to be in the top 100 I limited it to, you're pretty consistent already if you made it there twice). These teams show up more than once (I know this isn't perfect because there are some awesome teams out there that haven't competed twice yet):
  • 67 claims the top two spots.
  • 341 claims THREE spots in the top 10 (4,6,9)
  • 2056 claims two spots in the top 10 (3,7)
  • #: Rankings
  • 16: 38 and 42
  • 48: 28 and 43
  • 148: 73 and 75
  • 340: 45 and 59
  • 365: 11 and 82
  • 399: 44 and 57
  • 469: 19 and 39
  • 488: 29 and 72
  • 610: 30 and 93
  • 967: 66 and 95
  • 1114: 14 and 22
  • 1208: 87 and 88
  • 1218: 40 and 41
  • 1477: 25 and 63
  • 1507: 12 and 17
  • 1629: 24 and 79
  • 1714: 53 and 70
  • 1983: 5 and 16
  • 1986: 13 and 36
  • 2169: 27 and 56
  • 2474: 10 and 46
  • 2826: 52 and 74

Together, these 25 teams account for 51 spots in the top 100.

Mr. Lim 27-03-2012 00:10
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
6 of the top 30 OPR performances of the season have been produced by Canadian teams.

All but one of those Canadian teams has qualified for STL, with only 3161 being on the outside looking in.

3161 was also the team which had a chance to snatch the #1 seed away from 1114 in their last match at Waterloo. They held the tiebreaker over 1114 with a higher Hybrid Points total.

This is the match where it all happened, and also contains a "triple double" with all 6 robots balanced...

http://youtu.be/uIdpZvfJDnE

372 lives on 27-03-2012 01:52
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
this makes no sense to me at all.....

my team only shot 1 ball at the competition and it missed so why are we in the top half of all of these lists??????

TheMadCADer 27-03-2012 02:13
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1986titans (Post 1149917)
Interesting things show up in the spreadsheet you posted because teams have multiple entries. It's a bit easier to see consistency (although to be in the top 100 I limited it to, you're pretty consistent already if you made it there twice). These teams show up more than once (I know this isn't perfect because there are some awesome teams out there that haven't competed twice yet):
  • 67 claims the top two spots.
  • 341 claims THREE spots in the top 10 (4,6,9)
  • 2056 claims two spots in the top 10 (3,7)
  • #: Rankings
  • 16: 38 and 42
  • 48: 28 and 43
  • 148: 73 and 75
  • 340: 45 and 59
  • 365: 11 and 82
  • 399: 44 and 57
  • 469: 19 and 39
  • 488: 29 and 72
  • 610: 30 and 93
  • 967: 66 and 95
  • 1114: 14 and 22
  • 1208: 87 and 88
  • 1218: 40 and 41
  • 1477: 25 and 63
  • 1507: 12 and 17
  • 1629: 24 and 79
  • 1714: 53 and 70
  • 1983: 5 and 16
  • 1986: 13 and 36
  • 2169: 27 and 56
  • 2474: 10 and 46
  • 2826: 52 and 74

Together, these 25 teams account for 51 spots in the top 100.
Here is the average rank of each of those 25 teams, sorted. Take note of the important fact that these are just some numbers, and probably will not be a good predictor of all that much. Except maybe which team has a better average OPR rank out of teams with two spots in the top 100 as of Week 4, it'll help a lot for that. :D

Code:
Team        Rank 1        Rank 2        Rank 3        Average
67        1        2                1.5
2056        3        7                5
341        4        6        9        6.333333333
1983        5        16                10.5
1507        12        17                14.5
1114        14        22                18
1986        13        36                24.5
2474        10        46                28
469        19        39                29
48        28        43                35.5
16        38        42                40
1218        40        41                40.5
2169        27        56                41.5
1477        25        63                44
365        11        82                46.5
399        44        57                50.5
488        29        72                50.5
1629        24        79                51.5
340        45        59                52
610        30        93                61.5
1714        53        70                61.5
2826        52        74                63
148        73        75                74
967        66        95                80.5
1208        87        88                87.5

Travis Hoffman 27-03-2012 05:15
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadCADer (Post 1149954)
Here is the average rank of each of those 25 teams, sorted. Take note of the important fact that these are just some numbers, and probably will not be a good predictor of all that much. Except maybe which team has a better average OPR rank out of teams with two spots in the top 100 as of Week 4, it'll help a lot for that. :D

Code:
Team    Rank 1    Rank 2    Rank 3    Average
67    1    2        1.5
2056    3    7        5
341    4    6    9    6.333333333
1983    5    16        10.5
1507    12    17        14.5
1114    14    22        18
1986    13    36        24.5
2474    10    46        28
469    19    39        29
48    28    43        35.5
16    38    42        40
1218    40    41        40.5
2169    27    56        41.5
1477    25    63        44
365    11    82        46.5
399    44    57        50.5
488    29    72        50.5
1629    24    79        51.5
340    45    59        52
610    30    93        61.5
1714    53    70        61.5
2826    52    74        63
148    73    75        74
967    66    95        80.5
1208    87    88        87.5
Suits me! You just helped me make my Top 25 list - promote the teams that have won 2+ events, then 1 win + finalists, lather rinse repeat. Fill in the top performing single-competition teams, bump 2826 up because I saw how awesome they were in Wisconsin elims and I know this OPR stuff doesn't measure those performances, and finis.

JR. 27-03-2012 10:46
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
The only issue with using the average OPR is that is disregards changes made between competitions and leads to an inacurate ranking. I think ranking the OPR's from teams leatest event is a more accurate way to rank teams via OPR because it represents what teams are doing currently not in week 1 or 2. An example of this is 365, in week 2 at chestnut hill district they had an OPR of 21.2 ranking 82nd over all while week 4 at Lenape with a new shooter 365 had an OPR of 31.1 ranking 11th or using teams latest event's OPR ranking 7th.

ThirteenOfTwo 27-03-2012 12:11
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavapicker (Post 1149875)
Just wondering what happened to us on the hybrid and teleop scores? 1056 hit 17/17 in hybrid for 10 points and I'm sure a few partners threw something in. We also only missed one shot (dunk) the entire tournament. You have us at 12th on the OPR but missing on the others. 28 points sounds about right for what we were putting in per match. Sorry we didn't qualify for worlds so we could show our dunker and wheelie bridge dropper. Should have listened to my partner, sorry Maui High, in that first match of semi's. Although Hawaii has the lowest average OPR, I think the top five could go up against anyone. Aloha
Because of the way that OPR works your score won't be exactly what it was. Although it's scary to think that you guys' OPR might actually be devalued... not to rub salt in the wound, but I think you might be the best bot in the world that isn't going to STL.

It was great playing with you and against you in Hawaii and we hope to see you next year!

dodar 27-03-2012 12:20
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lavapicker (Post 1149875)
Just wondering what happened to us on the hybrid and teleop scores? 1056 hit 17/17 in hybrid for 10 points and I'm sure a few partners threw something in. We also only missed one shot (dunk) the entire tournament. You have us at 12th on the OPR but missing on the others. 28 points sounds about right for what we were putting in per match. Sorry we didn't qualify for worlds so we could show our dunker and wheelie bridge dropper. Should have listened to my partner, sorry Maui High, in that first match of semi's. Although Hawaii has the lowest average OPR, I think the top five could go up against anyone. Aloha
I think your math is a little off. It is literally impossible to go 17/17 in hybrid and only get 10 points...

Lavapicker 27-03-2012 12:22
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Thanks, we'll take that title. That should generate some funding for next year?

RMiller 27-03-2012 12:24
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1150095)
I think your math is a little off. It is literally impossible to go 17/17 in hybrid and only get 10 points...
10 points (2 two pointers) in all 17 matches I think is what is meant.

JB987 27-03-2012 12:25
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Pretty sure Lavapicker means each hybrid period they scored 10 pts...

Lavapicker 27-03-2012 12:46
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Yep, we drove up to the bumper in hybrid, lifted our arm pneumatically and used belts to spit out two balls into the middle goal 17/17 times. Only missed one shot the entire tournament which has to be close to a record too. Our whirling fingers of elastic tubing we extended to collect balls made us pretty effective at collecting balls too. We used pneumatics to wheelie up and over the bridge to drop it too. Very nice design that worked all tournament but alas, we'll not be at worlds to show it off. Even Lebron and Koby don't win it every year which gives us some solice.

Jared Russell 27-03-2012 12:52
Re: Week 4 OPR - All regionals and districts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JR. (Post 1150064)
The only issue with using the average OPR is that is disregards changes made between competitions and leads to an inacurate ranking. I think ranking the OPR's from teams leatest event is a more accurate way to rank teams via OPR because it represents what teams are doing currently not in week 1 or 2. An example of this is 365, in week 2 at chestnut hill district they had an OPR of 21.2 ranking 82nd over all while week 4 at Lenape with a new shooter 365 had an OPR of 31.1 ranking 11th or using teams latest event's OPR ranking 7th.
This is definitely a limitation of OPR. I am not sure how valid it is to compare OPRs across events at all, for that matter. I am a much bigger fan of CCWM (OPR+DPR), since it better reflects contributions to score DIFFERENTIAL rather than raw score itself. Many top teams leave a lot of potential points on the field once they see they have built a big lead so that they can ensure a higher success % on the Coopertition Bridge.

P.S. I really like the new shooter ;)


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