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The most regional wins thread has me interested in who is the team that has the most Chairman's wins at a regional? I know that this year 1108 got their 7th Chairman's title this year but has anyone surpassed that?

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341, 365, and 359 all come to mind. Of course, the X-Cats (191) are the only team to win Champs Chairmans twice.


Another interesting one would be "who has the most RCA wins but no Champs Chairmans". For that one, 340 would be one of the highest, they've won every year at FLR since 2006 or 2007 iirc.

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I know 1114 has a large amount of them. I forget the exact figure, though.

Honestly, they're due for the CCA, in my opinion.

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How do we factor in the district Chairman's Awards? In order to qualify for the Championship event with Chairman's in Michigan, you need to win it at a district event, then re-win at States. Does this count as 2 or 1 Chairman's?

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234, 340, and 1108 have 7 chairmans without a championship chairmans. 1114 has 6.

236 had 7 chairmans, before they won the championship chairmans in 2009.

Not sure how to count 27 and 503, but they both have a lot too.

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RCA started in 2002.

MOE only won it 4 times at a regional before winning it at Championship in 07 (so 5 total). 5 RCA and 1 CA each for 341 & 359.

236, the Techno Ticks, probably have the most: 7 RCA (6 consecutive at CT) and then at the 09 Championship (to the relief of everyone who submits at CT)

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This is a difficult metric to make any determinations: obviously, any team to win an RCA is a great team, and they can win a lot more RCAs in the future. CCAs essentially disqualify you from ever earning a D/R/CCA ever again (191 grabbed two CCAs before the 3 year rule was in effect, and before FRC exploded) and you are, by definition, one of the greatest teams of all time. DCAs are also strong teams because their award is a result of a populous, thriving area for FRC, so you can't discount those.

I guess you could use D/RCAs as a predictor for CCAs... You have a very thin layer of >5 RCA teams. Multiple teams have 3-5 (1086 come to mind for me).

/derail/
I'd hope for the sake of every great FLR/GTR team that 1114 and 340 get a CCA soon or they hand out more than one RCA at those venues. Never presenting for CCA, I guess I have a hard time understanding why we only get to pick one CCA when there ARE JUST SO MANY AWESOME TEAMS. I'm not even on the teams and I want them to have the award before they can't work on their bots because the shop is covered in blue banners (though it would be a glorious and envious inconvenience to have)

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Personally, I think it should stay at 1 at CMP.
However, I have heard of talks that that may possibly change.

If a team is that great year in and year out, whether they get it this year, or the next, or the next.....they eventually will.

There is about 2 or 3 teams at most, that have a realistic shot at it.............and they know who they are!:)

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I believe 340 is the only team to have won five in a row, too. Can anyone verify or negate that?

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Here's a list of current 2012 winners and total number of wins. It gets confusing with the new Districts. I wasn't sure how to rank them, so I put all in the total column. There is the new District Chairman's award, but that doesn't clarify the past.

Edit:

234 has 7 total (thanks Chris F.)

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Interesting fact: If we had won the Chairman's a third time FIRST would have let us keep the clock for good. We were a finalist for Chairman's in '96 so we came close to keeping it (though I have no idea where we would have put it @ 30 Hart).

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The past two years 694 has won the chairman's at CT. I guess the judges like to keep the same teams winning. :D :D

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1114 has 6 total, 5 consecutive (WAT 06, WAT 08, GTR 09, WAT 10, GTRE 11, GTRE 12).

IMO: They're LONG overdue for a CCA. I can think of very few teams as storied and who do as much as they do for the betterment of the program at ALL levels that don't already have a CCA.

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The Michigan structure was set up to try and maintain the same number of teams representing the state at the CHP for robot performance, awards and RCA's. So I think it would be reasonable to equate the three Michigan State CA's to Regional CA's. Prior to FiM, there were 3 MI regionals so there are 3 CA's from the state CHP. With team growth, I don't know if there is a plan to increase this number in future years.

I don't know if the MAR structure is that same way.

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MAR will be awarding two Chairman's Awards at the Regional Championship, which is equal to the number awarded by the two Regional events it is replacing (Philadelphia and New Jersey).

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79 won five in a row from 2002 to 2007 and they have a total of 6 ranking them second amongst teams that haven't won a CMP Chairman's based on information from above.

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I can't wait to see a four digit team win Chairmans at championships.

Which gets me a bit curious, sorry if this is a bit off topic, are the regionals supposed to play the Chairmans videos? Both at San Diego and Hawaii did they not play it this year. They played it in 2010 when we won it for the first time however.

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236 won 7 at New England events (Granite State, UTC New England, UTC Connecticut, and Connecticut are the official event names--I'm pretty sure that other than GSR (2003), they're all CT) from 2003 to 2009, then won the CCA in '09. To win seven, you must first win 5...

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San Diego played 1538's video this year. Or at least those of us on the webcast saw it.

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Ours was played at NYC last year, but then it wasn't played at CMP.

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This is a yes and no. If you compile teams that have the most regional wins to date this year the number is 7. These teams are 1108, 234, and 340.

When looking at teams with the most wins that encompasses regionals, districts, and state championships, those teams are 27 with 8 and 503 with 10.
(Please note, I have not included current HOF teams in this mix for I know 365, 341, and 236 won numerous times before winning nationally.)

After regionals and state championships are over, I will be posting all of the statistics for everyone to look over and showcase all the teams that won this year, and see who we will be adding to the HOF in 2012! :D

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The Midwest Regional played it as the stands emptied this year and last year.
10,000 lakes (IIRC) played it before the final goodbye in 2010.

I think it depends on the regional folk, and I honestly think that its somewhat forgotten about by the groups that plan the awards ceremony. It seemed incredibly disrespectful to the winning team (at Midwest this year) because teams are trying to get a move-on by that point, and the winning team doesn't get their story told to the audience.

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It will be played at CMP this year, I believe.

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Regionals are supposed to play the chairman's video after the team has received their award, however, usually by then teams are itching to leave. In San Diego the past 2 years we have played it after closing ceremonies as people are walking out.

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One of our students put together this file for 2012 RCA's, through week 4.

We will update it next week and then again after week 6.

It has tabs for Regional, FiM and MAR events.

Please list any corrections and we will keep the file accurate.

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While we would be honored to compete in Michigan, I think the Firebirds are supposed to be under the MAR tab ;)

Besides that this is a great document that is very easy to navigate, Thank You .

~Hannah

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How do teams know they have a realistic shot?

Jane

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@Jane: I think teams like 1114 are the ones with a realistic shot at the CCA.

The ones who've won multiple RCAs on a consistent basis, over a number of years. There are only a handful of such teams in existence.

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Yes, I get that. I was questioning Glenn's comment because Glenn made it. :)

Jane

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Hi Jane,
Happy Birthday!:)

Honestly, it was just a personal opinion comment.
I got PM's from a couple of teams because of it though.:p

Glenn

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This is a fantastic file, will it be posted in this thread with the updates or in another location?

Renee

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Here is the week 5 update including the events that ended 4-1.

Please advise of any errors or omissions.

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Chris, great file, thanks for doing this.

I found one error: You forgot 2004 Colorado Chairman's for 79

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we will make that change.

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Updated with the Team 79 listing corrected.

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More that one Championship Chairman's? I don't know where you heard that, but I very highly doubt that would happen. The point of CCA is that you are the best. Not the 'eh, somewhere in this group right here.' You're the best, and you are that year's Hall of Fame inductee. I think it should stay that way.

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FRC Game Manual Section 6.4.1

"Hall of Fame members; i.e., teams that have already earned the Chairman’s Award, are ineligible to resubmit for consideration for five (5) years. Teams that earned the Chairman’s Award at the Championship prior to 2007 are eligible to participate in 2011. Teams that earned the Chairman’s Award in 2007-2011 are ineligible."

My interpretation of this is that, because teams who won CCA prior to 2007 and eligible to submit for RCA this year, they would also be eligible for CCA again if they were selected for that honor.

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She means one winner selected per year. (right?) I have to agree. You are the one for that year. Though then again, that's probably not really congruous with reality. I guess it's possible.

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Yep, that's what I read.

There IS one team that has two CCAs, back when that was the only one awarded. They're also a sustaining team: 191, the X-Cats.

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I'm sorry - I was interpreting Glenn's comment as 'they would give out more than one Championship Chairman's Award per year , not that you can win CCA more than once...

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Oh, okay. In that case yes, I would agree with you, only one team should win the CCA per year. Sorry for the confusion on that...

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Here is the updated file after week 6 regionals.

We will do another update after the FiM and MAR Championships next weekend and merge all of the teams that will present at CHP.

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I have a question? does anyone every get tried of seeing the same teams win the chairmans award over and over at the same regional? I have nothing against the teams that are receiving the awards, because they are GREAT teams and do even better jobs spreading FIRST. It just seems to me it discourages other teams from trying to standout. I know regionals have plenty of other good teams that never seem to get recognized.

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The Chairman's award is not about being "good enough", it is about being the best. Rewarding someone for being good enough is not the message we want to send our students. If a team is truly better than another, then it is the job of the team to convey that and prove to the judges that it is true.

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I get tired of the regionals that don't give the award to a team because they won the year before. That is really against the spirit of the award and it is frustrating to the students who work so hard to spread FIRST and do not get the recognition that they have earned. We used to submit at a regional like that but do not anymore for that very reason. The result has been 3 straight chairman's awards since we switched.

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I get tired of it, but not in the sense that you seem to be saying... It only drives us to be better, do more, and be better at doing more.

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Tommy, there is a great thread here from a couple of years ago that talks about some of your concerns.

I think it is important to remember that winning the Chairman's award is the reward not the goal. If a teams works its hardest every day of every year to make a positive impact on the community, than that team deserves to win and eventually they will. The Chairman's award is a process and sustained excellence is factor ( especially at the Championship level).

The most important thing is for a team not to get discouraged. I know it can be frustrating but there is hope. A lot of the teams on this list had to submit a few times before they started to win. I know this true for my team, but the first time 433 won chairman's in 2009 we actually beat 341, the year before they went on to win the Championship Chairman's Award! I have always felt honored to have teams 103, 365, and 341 in my region. They are the teams we strive to be when we grow up and yes even 13+ year old teams still have growing up to do sometimes. :D In a way for me it makes each RCA that we have achieved more special because I know what a high caliber of teams there are in the MAR region.

tl;dr : If you don't like seeing the same teams win every year at your regional, than put 130% into your outreach, 100% of the time, and beat them, but remember that the chairman's award isn't about the award and that your focus should always be on changing the culture :)

~Hannah

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And at the end of this week, we will have all the results and see who could possibly be added to the Hall of Fame. There are some great teams up on the list. :D

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So far we have by number of wins

1 - 17
2 - 16
3 - 8
4 - 5
5 - 1
6 - 1
7 - 4