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DonRotolo 12-04-2012 12:49
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Just verified with Ed Petrillo that the "5" teams qualifying for CMP on MAR points doesn't include teams who have already made it. So teams will really be fighting for MAR points this weekend, they are worth triple at this event...

Kristian Calhoun 12-04-2012 13:17
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
The match schedule is currently available through FRC Tracker 2012. (It's not yet on the FIRST website. Does anyone know where the app scrapes its data from?)

The competition is going to be tough, as there are a lot of great match-ups. We play against both 341 and 1676 in our first match today! :ahh:

thefro526 12-04-2012 13:33
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristian Calhoun (Post 1157283)
The match schedule is currently available through FRC Tracker 2012. (It's not yet on the FIRST website. Does anyone know where the app scrapes its data from?)
I'm trying to find it as well. The tidbits I've gotten from other teams lead me to believe that we're in for one hell of a show.

Alpha Beta 12-04-2012 13:43
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Looks like matches start at 4:00 eastern time for those waiting to watch the action online.

Match 63 looks intersting. 303, 2729 & 341 vs 365, 3974 & 1218.

jblay 12-04-2012 14:51
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Can someone take a photo or something of the match schedule and post it here so that those of us without iphones can see it?

bduddy 12-04-2012 15:08
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1157324)
Can someone take a photo or something of the match schedule and post it here so that those of us without iphones can see it?
How about this?
http://www2.usfirst.org/2012comp/eve...edulequal.html

Joe Ross 12-04-2012 15:18
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
I ran through the actual qualification match schedules (as posted on the FIRST website). I used each team's highest adjusted opr at any event for their contribution to a match, based on Ed Law's data. I calculated the results for each of the matches.

Since the standings are much more complicated this year, I did not try to calculate the standings. This is only the contribution of w-l-t to the qualification score (eg 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, no points for a loss).

Everyone should attend Karthik's presentation where he covers "Why 'OPR' is a flawed indicator in Rebound Rumble".

Matches:
Code:
Match        Red 1        Red 2        Red 3        Blue 1        Blue 2        Blue 3        Rscore        Bscore
1        834        708        1811        423        11        2016        32        50
2        816        2559        1168        56        1218        2590        27        69
3        222        433        316        357        1712        3515        52        42
4        4342        1403        1923        486        484        2729        47        41
5        1672        225        303        1391        272        869        34        39
6        341        75        1676        1302        25        3929        73        59
7        1370        223        1640        3314        2180        365        40        66
8        2234        714        1279        1647        3974        2607        54        31
9        3637        1089        3142        1626        224        303        39        37
10        1712        1811        2559        1403        1302        1391        28        48
11        1168        484        2180        1672        869        433        40        26
12        225        272        2607        834        3515        25        44        55
13        223        1279        423        56        222        1089        55        61
14        316        1647        2016        3314        2729        2590        43        41
15        357        1923        365        4342        2234        1676        66        60
16        3974        816        11        1626        3142        3929        40        23
17        708        1218        486        714        3637        1370        64        37
18        75        1640        1403        224        341        2607        45        66
19        2180        357        423        1279        2729        1923        60        43
20        1676        3314        1302        834        225        1168        56        42
21        1672        25        316        1089        1218        1370        59        69
22        1626        484        869        223        708        1647        31        34
23        1640        3974        3929        272        56        486        34        48
24        341        433        3142        1391        222        224        50        54
25        714        75        3515        11        2559        2234        29        41
26        1712        2590        816        365        1811        3637        46        49
27        303        2016        2180        4342        225        3929        46        42
28        1370        3974        341        357        224        1168        56        49
29        834        1089        423        3142        316        2234        57        43
30        1647        2559        222        1640        1923        11        40        42
31        1811        2590        1403        1279        3515        1218        45        62
32        3637        816        272        223        4342        75        37        39
33        2729        433        1712        1676        869        714        35        58
34        708        1391        25        303        486        3314        55        42
35        2607        1626        2016        1672        365        56        32        54
36        484        1089        272        1302        2590        3142        49        40
37        2180        2729        3929        222        3637        3974        41        44
38        486        1168        433        75        225        708        34        36
39        1370        423        1676        1626        223        1403        58        43
40        365        1279        2559        11        484        1672        63        35
41        1640        1302        2234        25        2016        869        45        61
42        341        1391        1923        316        56        816        56        47
43        224        1712        4342        1218        1647        834        50        62
44        3314        714        2607        303        357        1811        40        39
45        869        1302        3974        3515        433        1403        38        34
46        2180        225        316        1676        3637        2559        57        46
47        4342        2729        11        223        1168        1712        44        39
48        1218        1811        2234        1647        341        3929        57        54
49        2607        303        1089        1370        3515        2016        46        29
50        834        56        1640        708        357        2590        46        50
51        1391        423        486        365        272        224        47        68
52        1923        3142        714        75        1672        1626        33        20
53        484        222        1279        25        816        3314        58        58
54        225        2559        56        3974        2729        1089        39        43
55        303        708        1403        2180        834        341        44        72
56        4342        1302        316        365        714        1626        50        56
57        1391        2016        3929        1168        2590        1923        35        36
58        25        357        486        1712        423        1647        74        43
59        3314        1218        869        75        2607        11        61        39
60        222        272        1672        484        2234        224        44        47
61        1370        816        1279        433        1676        1640        45        51
62        1811        3515        3142        3637        223        56        16        40
63        303        2729        341        365        3974        1218        58        80
64        316        357        11        1302        225        484        60        44
65        25        1647        1089        816        2180        433        65        40
66        1672        2234        3314        3637        486        1403        33        50
67        708        1712        2607        223        1923        272        38        40
68        1279        3142        224        1168        714        2016        48        38
69        1676        3515        1626        1391        1640        1811        39        30
70        834        1370        2590        75        222        869        46        46
71        423        3929        433        4342        2559        341        36        57
72        2729        1302        224        1672        816        708        45        27
73        1647        484        365        1168        3637        3515        55        22
74        834        272        3314        1811        1923        1089        44        37
75        25        1676        1403        11        714        56        85        49
76        4342        3142        486        869        316        2607        40        45
77        2590        75        2180        303        2234        423        47        46
78        1218        223        2016        1391        3974        357        65        43
79        1712        3929        1370        225        1640        1279        37        53
80        222        1626        25        2559        486        316        64        45
81        1811        56        224        869        4342        2180        39        48
82        1647        3515        816        834        1672        3974        25        32
83        1391        11        225        2234        2729        1370        46        38
84        1403        714        1089        3929        1168        365        60        52
85        1676        357        1218        708        3142        222        87        41
86        3637        1302        433        423        2607        1923        33        40
87        272        2559        1626        1279        3314        341        28        69
88        303        484        75        1712        2016        1640        33        44
89        2590        714        25        223        2729        3142        68        33
90        365        708        869        816        357        3929        57        44
91        1626        433        1218        2234        2180        272        50        51
92        1089        1640        3314        3974        4342        423        48        43
93        316        3637        1391        834        1279        1403        41        61
94        1168        1647        56        1302        222        303        32        51
95        11        3515        223        486        341        2016        37        67
96        224        2590        1672        225        1676        1712        42        62
97        484        2559        1923        2607        1811        1370        29        28
98        75        1391        1279        1089        4342        708        42        47
99        272        1302        2016        222        1403        2180        44        66
100        1218        1672        1168        25        1640        423        49        66
101        365        223        303        433        2559        834        61        32
102        225        1923        869        341        714        816        40        63
103        1712        3142        56        1647        3314        1370        38        32
104        486        3974        2234        1676        484        1811        44        46
105        75        224        3929        3515        316        2729        38        35
106        2607        357        3637        11        1626        2590        44        42
W-L-T:
Code:
TTeam        Wins        Losses        Ties
365        11        1        0
1089        11        1        0
1218        10        2        0
1676        10        2        0
2180        10        2        0
25        9        2        1
341        9        3        0
1923        9        3        0
869        8        3        1
222        7        3        2
714        8        4        0
1279        7        4        1
834        7        4        1
3314        7        4        1
357        7        5        0
224        7        5        0
1403        7        5        0
272        7        5        0
3974        7        5        0
708        7        5        0
2016        7        5        0
11        7        5        0
484        6        5        1
4342        6        6        0
423        6        6        0
1640        6        6        0
1391        6        6        0
56        6        6        0
223        6        6        0
2607        6        6        0
3637        6        6        0
2590        5        6        1
75        5        6        1
316        5        7        0
2234        5        7        0
225        5        7        0
1302        5        7        0
486        5        7        0
1647        5        7        0
303        4        8        0
2559        4        8        0
3142        4        8        0
1370        3        8        1
2729        3        9        0
1712        3        9        0
1811        3        9        0
1626        3        9        0
3515        3        9        0
816        2        9        1
433        2        10        0
1168        2        10        0
1672        2        10        0
3929        1        11        0

Grim Tuesday 12-04-2012 15:40
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Wow, Daisy has a really tough schedule. It'll be interesting to see how the coop bridge plays into the whole predicted OPR business.

George A. 12-04-2012 16:15
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Hey everyone! We have started our qualifications so be sure to tweet along with #marfirst!

mechinn 13-04-2012 11:24
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Just wanted to let everyone know I will be posting all the matches from the MAR regional championship webcast on a youtube album located here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFC81AAE68B04E34B

All the matches from the first day are already posted.

Akash Rastogi 13-04-2012 12:08
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Is MAR doing any awards today?

George A. 13-04-2012 12:44
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1157560)
Is MAR doing any awards today?
Yes. I'm not sure which ones, but there will be some after the matches today

DonRotolo 13-04-2012 19:34
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Well, awards went *really* well for me. Hard to believe it still, thanks everyone for the kind words.

Don

Deetman 13-04-2012 20:01
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1157630)
Well, awards went *really* well for me. Hard to believe it still, thanks everyone for the kind words.

Don
Congrats on the Woodie Flowers award Don! Well deserved!

jblay 13-04-2012 20:02
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
I saw quite a few awesome matches today on the webcast and a lot of great robots.

Great to see 341 continuing to put up big scores. That robot is just incredible.

I also loved seeing 2016 start to turn it on towards the end of the day. Starting to pick up 3 balls per round of scoring seemed to really help you guys increase your amount of balls shot per match and it seems like your shooter is more on target now.

1676 looked dominant when it played but appeared to have communication issues. Can someone clarify exactly what was going wrong? Hopefully all issues are gone tomorrow, when working right you guys have the capability of scoring with the best teams.

25 was amazing all day from what I saw. That wheelie onto the bridge is so smooth and so very ridiculous. I knew you guys were capable of scoring consistently at the fender but you are just as good from the key, in fact from what I saw you might even have a higher percentage from the key.

Tomorrow should be incredible to watch on the webcast(unfortunately the commute is just too ridiculous for me to make on my own so I won't be there). The best of luck to all the teams competing, I look forward to seeing some hard fought matches. Can we perhaps get some triple balances in the eliminations at a MAR event?

Also a huge congrats to Don for the WFFA.

Deetman 13-04-2012 20:08
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1157644)
Can we perhaps get some triple balances in the eliminations at a MAR event?
With the right alliance, absolutely! I witnessed a few triples on the practice field today but as we all know practice field != competition. One interesting tidbit I learned today: there are 18 (or was it 13?) wide robots in the field of 53.

As far as the communications issues I'm not sure of the particulars of 1676's issues even though they are right next to us in the pits, but I do know that I have seen FAR more issues here at MAR champs than at Hatboro-Horsham, Chestnut Hill, and Lenape.

DELurker 13-04-2012 21:20
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deetman (Post 1157646)
With the right alliance, absolutely! I witnessed a few triples on the practice field today but as we all know practice field != competition. One interesting tidbit I learned today: there are 18 (or was it 13?) wide robots in the field of 53.

As far as the communications issues I'm not sure of the particulars of 1676's issues even though they are right next to us in the pits, but I do know that I have seen FAR more issues here at MAR champs than at Hatboro-Horsham, Chestnut Hill, and Lenape.
As the team across the aisle from 1676, we are working with them to try to resolve the issues. At the moment, nothing is really firm, but rumor has it that this is the same field that was used at Rutgers, where several teams had comm issues. More information to come...

coldfusion1279 13-04-2012 21:22
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deetman (Post 1157646)
With the right alliance, absolutely! I witnessed a few triples on the practice field today but as we all know practice field != competition. One interesting tidbit I learned today: there are 18 (or was it 13?) wide robots in the field of 53.

As far as the communications issues I'm not sure of the particulars of 1676's issues even though they are right next to us in the pits, but I do know that I have seen FAR more issues here at MAR champs than at Hatboro-Horsham, Chestnut Hill, and Lenape.
Did it without human interference 3 times on the practice field. Don't doubt it's possible in the competition. Our long robot transforms it's footprint to one shorter than a wide-format robot.

jblay 13-04-2012 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coldfusion1279 (Post 1157672)
Did it without human interference 3 times on the practice field. Don't doubt it's possible in the competition. Our long robot transforms it's footprint to one shorter than a wide-format robot.
I wonder where this idea came from...

Quote:
Originally Posted by DELurker (Post 1157670)
As the team across the aisle from 1676, we are working with them to try to resolve the issues. At the moment, nothing is really firm, but rumor has it that this is the same field that was used at Rutgers, where several teams had comm issues. More information to come...
Has 1676 tried a different radio? I recall 2168 had comm issues and then swapped their radio for Connecticut and found that their problems where gone, they took apart the radio and discovered some issues. I'm not sure if this is any help or that my information is on point on 2168 but I figured it was worth mentioning.

Sue-San 13-04-2012 23:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1157644)
25 was amazing all day from what I saw.
Why thank you :D


Also, I'd like to give a quick thanks to Team 2590 for supplying us with vital scouting data that we lost today. It was a true act of gracious professionalism!

Lil' Lavery 13-04-2012 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mechinn (Post 1157553)
Just wanted to let everyone know I will be posting all the matches from the MAR regional championship webcast on a youtube album located here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFC81AAE68B04E34B

All the matches from the first day are already posted.
Awesome!

Karthik 14-04-2012 13:16
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Ummm, wow. 341, 25 & 1640 just had one of the most insane matches of the season. 115 points, with the triple completed with about 20 seconds left. That was amazing.

Walter Deitzler 14-04-2012 13:19
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341, 25, 1640, wow. Just wow... 115 points. It was amazing.

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 13:32
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Calling it now; 1218's alliance vs 341's in the finals if they keep playing like that!

dodar 14-04-2012 13:49
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115 and 108 in consecutive matches is just unbelievable and to be able to triple balance that smoothly w/o a birdge balancer is amazing alliance selection.

Andrew Lawrence 14-04-2012 13:57
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Wow, a lot of blue alliance wins. Though, to be fair, 1676 was too awesome for anything but a win. ;)

Brandon Holley 14-04-2012 14:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157843)
115 and 108 in consecutive matches is just unbelievable and to be able to triple balance that smoothly w/o a birdge balancer is amazing alliance selection.
341 has a stinger and 25 has servo-driven drive train brakes.

-Brando

dodar 14-04-2012 14:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Holley (Post 1157846)
341 has a stinger and 25 has servo-driven drive train brakes.

-Brando
They didnt use it though, therefore, they did 2 triple balances w/o a bridge balancer.

EDIT: 341, 25, 1640 through 5 elimination matches are averaging 102 points per match with an average winning margin of 55 points and never scored beneath 100 total points in all 6 matches...that is ridiculous!

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 15:07
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I have to say, Semis-2 is heartbreaking. 1218 and 365 are my two favorite teams in MAR; I just hope that 1218 ends up with enough MAR points to qualify for Champs.

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 15:35
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Unbelievable. Not sure what to say about the call made about those fouls. I would have called G45 for sure on the red alliance.

badger3.14 14-04-2012 15:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1157862)
Unbelievable. Not sure what to say about the call made about those fouls. I would have called G45 for sure on the red alliance.
the rule G45 mentions rule G44, and G28 is an exception to G44

dodar 14-04-2012 15:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1157862)
Unbelievable. Not sure what to say about the call made about those fouls. I would have called G45 for sure on the red alliance.
It should have been a 49 point penalty on 1218.

sportzkrazzy 14-04-2012 15:42
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Idk.

George A. 14-04-2012 15:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1157862)
Unbelievable. Not sure what to say about the call made about those fouls. I would have called G45 for sure on the red alliance.
Coming from your announcer, our head ref Sunny called Aiden during lunch and asked him about that exact scenario. Aiden informed him that if a redbot is in contact with the bride and then makes contact with an opposing robot it is 3 points per contact.

bduddy 14-04-2012 15:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by George A. (Post 1157866)
Coming from your announcer, our head ref Sunny called Aiden during lunch and asked him about that exact scenario. Aiden informed him that if a redbot is in contact with the bride and then makes contact with an opposing robot it is 3 points per contact.
But at some point, doesn't racking up penalties violate [G45]?

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157864)
It should have been a 49 point penalty on 1218.
I'm going to try and not clutter this thread with discussion of this issue and refer you to this one, about where the same situation occured but the opposite call was made. Were they right? I think the GDC should make a ruling and wouldn't be surprised if they're on the phone right now.

Brandon Holley 14-04-2012 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by George A. (Post 1157866)
Coming from your announcer, our head ref Sunny called Aiden during lunch and asked him about that exact scenario. Aiden informed him that if a redbot is in contact with the bride and then makes contact with an opposing robot it is 3 points per contact.
Precedent from last weekend in Queen City is contradictory to that call.

dodar 14-04-2012 15:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1157868)
But at some point, doesn't racking up penalties violate [G45]?
Nope, some team at CVR racked up 63 points in penalties in 1 match.

badger3.14 14-04-2012 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1157868)
But at some point, doesn't racking up penalties violate [G45]?
the rule G45 mentions rule G44, and G28 is an exception to G44.

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 15:46
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So the question is: Were they taking advantage of the exception and thus in violation of [G45]?

Looks like the call will stand.

dodar 14-04-2012 15:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1157873)
So the question is: Were they taking advantage of the exception and thus in violation of [G45]?

Looks like the call will stand.
No, they were trying to triple balance for the win.

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 15:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157874)
No, they were trying to triple balance for the win.
But their actions were ramming and sandwiching 1218 to get them 8 fouls.

dodar 14-04-2012 15:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1157877)
But their actions were ramming and sandwiching 1218 to get them 8 fouls.
And 1218 couldn't have driven away from the red bridge?

bduddy 14-04-2012 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157878)
And 1218 couldn't have driven away from the red bridge?
Is there a rule that says they have to?

dodar 14-04-2012 15:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1157880)
Is there a rule that says they have to?
Was their match goal to get 28 points in penalties?

bduddy 14-04-2012 16:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157881)
Was their match goal to get 28 points in penalties?
The fact remains that it wasn't their own actions that caused those penalties, it was the actions of the other alliance. If [G45] wasn't intended to apply to that kind of scenario, what it is supposed to apply to?

dodar 14-04-2012 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1157886)
The fact remains that it wasn't their own actions that caused those penalties, it was the actions of the other alliance. If [G45] wasn't intended to apply to that kind of scenario, what it is supposed to apply to?
it was their own actions, they parked in front of 341 in between them and the bridge. G28 also says there should have been a TF for consequential contact, i.e. instant 49 points for repetitive contact with the bridge.

chris1592 14-04-2012 16:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1157886)
The fact remains that it wasn't their own actions that caused those penalties, it was the actions of the other alliance. If [G45] wasn't intended to apply to that kind of scenario, what it is supposed to apply to?
G45 states: Strategies exploiting Rule [G44] are not in the spirit of the FRC and are not allowed.
Violation: Technical-Foul and Red Card

G44: Generally, a rule violation by an Alliance that was directly caused by actions of the opposing Alliance will not be penalized. Rule [G28] is an exception to this rule.

and G28:
Robots may not touch an opponent Robot in contact with its Key, Alley, or Bridge.
Violation: Foul; Technical-Foul for purposeful, consequential contact.

EricH 14-04-2012 16:16
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Quote:
Game - The Game » Robot-Robot Interaction » G28
Q. Is a strategy to exploit G28 considered to be a strategy to exploit G44 which would be a technical foul and red card according to G45?
A. Yes.
Quote:
Game - The Game » Penalties » G45
Q. Red robot is in its key lining up to shoot. Blue robot approaches close to red robot to block the shot. Red robot intentionally pushes blue robot back to clear the way for its shot, contacting blue robot while red robot is still in contact with its key. Is this a violation of [G45]?
A. We cannot make a definitive statement on a hypothetical situation, and the final decision on violations of Game Rules is left to the Head Referee at each event. However, generally, if a Robot is attempting to play the game, not simply create Fouls for the opposing Alliance, Rule [G45] will not be violated.
That is what the Q&A has to say on this matter (or a related one).

If it was a strategy to rack up the penalties, [G45]. However, if a robot seems to be trying to play the game, say by knocking another robot away from the bridge, then that's not a strategy to rack up penalties, and no [G45]. YMTC. (And please let the refs at the event do the same--it's their call that counts.)

bduddy 14-04-2012 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157887)
it was their own actions, they parked in front of 341 in between them and the bridge. G28 also says there should have been a TF for consequential contact, i.e. instant 49 points for repetitive contact with the bridge.
But the direct cause of those penalties was the driving of the red alliance - if they had gone at the bridge from the other side, for example, there would have been no penalties. Also, [G28] assigns Technical Fouls only for purposeful, consequential contact, and this was not purposeful. Not really sure where you're getting the 49 points from, because the extra 40 points would come from [G25], which you can definitely not be forced into committing...

dodar 14-04-2012 16:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1157892)
But the direct cause of those penalties was the driving of the red alliance - if they had gone at the bridge from the other side, for example, there would have been no penalties. Also, [G28] assigns Technical Fouls only for purposeful, consequential contact, and this was not purposeful. Not really sure where you're getting the 49 points from, because the extra 40 points would come from [G25], which you can definitely not be forced into committing...
If you read the italicized print from G25 you'd see that it reads: Techincal-Foul, if the act of balancing is interfered with, also a red Card with the bridge will be counted as balanced with the maximum number of robots possible for that match. They interfered with the act of balancing. This defines what happened in that match.

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157893)
If you read the italicized print from G25 you'd see that it reads: Techincal-Foul, if the act of balancing is interfered with, also a red Card with the bridge will be counted as balanced with the maximum number of robots possible for that match. They interfered with the act of balancing. This defines what happened in that match.
Aah, but the G28 exception from G44 doesn't apply to G25.

dodar 14-04-2012 16:28
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Because it doesn't matter. If it happens it gets the penalty called no matter what.

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157895)
Because it doesn't matter. If it happens it gets the penalty called no matter what.
Quote:
[G44]
Generally, a rule violation by an Alliance that was directly caused by actions of the opposing Alliance will not be penalized. Rule [G28] is an exception to this rule.
We are talking about the same rule, right? G25 (the bridge rule) falls under the jurisdiction of G44.

dodar 14-04-2012 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1157896)
We are talking about the same rule, right? G25 (the bridge rule) falls under the jurisdiction of G44.
Q. Does rule G25 apply at all times? What happens if a robot is pinned against an opponents bridge (does rule G44 apply)?

A. Yes, Rule [G25] applies throughout the Match. The Referee will determine if Rule [G44] applies given the exact circumstances.

EricH 14-04-2012 16:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157897)
Q. Does rule G25 apply at all times? What happens if a robot is pinned against an opponents bridge (does rule G44 apply)? FRC3005 2012-01-11

A. Yes, Rule [G25] applies throughout the Match. The Referee will determine if Rule [G44] applies given the exact circumstances.
And what does [G44] say? Generally, a team can't be forced into a penalty. If they were pushed up the bridge, I'd definitely call that forced into a penalty.

Foster 14-04-2012 17:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1157630)
Well, awards went *really* well for me. Hard to believe it still, thanks everyone for the kind words.
Congrats!! It was a surprise to me, I thought you had already won one of those. Well done sir, well done.

nahstobor 14-04-2012 17:44
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Well since no one has said this yet, congratulations to teams 341, 25, and 1640 for winning the first MAR championship. There was only one playoff match where this alliance scored less than 100 points :eek: .

Deetman 14-04-2012 19:08
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Congrats to 341, 25, and 1640 for a truly impressive set of elimination matches and for winning the MAR Championship.

All the teams in the elimination rounds really stepped up their games and created some of the most exciting elimination rounds I've seen in person.

Congrats to both 75 and 433 for their well deserved MAR Chairman's Awards.

jblay 14-04-2012 19:13
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Congrats to 75 and 433 for winning the chairman's awards. From your videos I can tell that you both have accomplished quite a bit.

341, 25, 1640 was quite an alliance to watch. That triple balance with brakes was weird wild stuff. Your alliance would have the strength to challenge any alliance that will be on Einstein that's how deep MAR was.

Congrats to 1676 and 2016 for making it to championship. I actually watched the award ceremonies in the webcast to find out if these two teams would make it, because championship wouldn't be right without your two awesome robots, I will see you guys in St. Louis.

Deetman 14-04-2012 19:29
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Heard an interesting discussion come up down by the field during the finals. MAR champs vs. FiM champs at IRI. 341, 25, and 1640 vs 67, 469, 830. Don't know if it could happen but it would be quite a match.

Grim Tuesday 14-04-2012 19:39
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I'd give it to the 341, 25, 1640 alliance. They made quite the team and a congratulations is very due. 341 is arguably the best robot in FRC right now. Multiball auton? Check. 90+ accuracy in teleop? Check. Triple balance? Check. I could easily see this robot leading an alliance onto Einstein.

rocpe 14-04-2012 20:41
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Congratulations to Teams 341, 25 and 1640 for taking the MAR Championship. Special thanks to our alliance partners 365 and 222 for taking a chance on us. It was a pleasure being a "Moe"bot during our run to the semis. Your teams exhibited only grace and professionalism under pressure and in defeat. Your programs set a shining example that we hope our program can strive to emulate and develop into in the future.

scottandme 14-04-2012 21:09
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Did they calculate the 5 teams by points correctly? Some kind soul updated my spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1YVpMQURnY 0E, which seems correct at first glance.

The 5 teams by points should be:

1218 (then skip 365 and 222)
1676
2180
2016 (then skip 2590)
486

I may be forgetting the order, but I thought they announced: 1218, 1676, 486, 357, 2016 - and then 56 & 2180 as 6 and 7.

Are there errors on the sheet or incorrect numbers there?

dodar 14-04-2012 21:11
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No, they skipped 357 because they had already qualifyied by winning DC.

Foster 14-04-2012 21:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Deetman (Post 1157967)
Heard an interesting discussion come up down by the field during the finals. MAR champs vs. FiM champs at IRI. 341, 25, and 1640 vs 67, 469, 830. Don't know if it could happen but it would be quite a match.
Well there is always lunchtime the first day at IRI. :rolleyes: Lots of time for a best two out of three....

ENeyman 14-04-2012 21:17
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I am pretty sure I remember them announcing 357 as one of those teams. I could be mistaken, but I remember thinking, "wait, didn't they already qualify at DC regional?" Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

AGPapa 14-04-2012 22:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ENeyman (Post 1158024)
I am pretty sure I remember them announcing 357 as one of those teams. I could be mistaken, but I remember thinking, "wait, didn't they already qualify at DC regional?" Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
They definitely called 357. I was (and am) confused too.

DonRotolo 14-04-2012 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jblay (Post 1157644)
1676 looked dominant when it played but appeared to have communication issues. Can someone clarify exactly what was going wrong?
I can try. We would lose comms, the lights on the radio were solid blue (not flickering), the RSL never missed a beat, and the cRio was up and happy every time an FTA could see the lights.

We changed radios several times, radio power supplies (and all related wiring), ethernet cables, redeployed code, re imaged the cRio, cyt the frame rate on the camera again (to 10) and a whole bunch of other things - basically, anything anyone suggested.

Here's the exact scenario, which is 100% repeatable: We power on, connect to the field, then after ~1 minute, we lose comms. Reboot the cRio, wait another ~1 minute, lose comms again. Reboot again, and comms stay solid forever. We were 100% successful with this once we stumbles upon it mid-dat Friday.

We had at least 5 FTAs look it over, and we couldn't nail it down to anything specific.

I have to call out Pete K especially for his HUGE efforts in helping us troubleshoot this thing. He graciously stayed late Thursday and ran a match for us 3 or 4 times, and graciously agreed to let us run a match with 6 robots Saturday morning (the bots were on carts, not on the field, but we were trying to ensure the wireless was properly loaded). The NI guy, and several others all gave it a great shot, but Pete was our hero for the MAR Region Championship.

From what we learned, we think we'll be able to duplicate the field conditions at home and use a packet sniffer (again) to see what's really going on.

I'm not convinced it is a field problem, but more likely a problem in our bot that makes us more sensitive to something in the field. The fact that we never failed as red but always failed as Blue is suspicious. Especially when several teams also failed as blue.

Now this bug is getting personal, we're going to find it and fix it - but maybe not in time for St Louis.

MOEhat 14-04-2012 22:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rocpe (Post 1158001)
Congratulations to Teams 341, 25 and 1640 for taking the MAR Championship. Special thanks to our alliance partners 365 and 222 for taking a chance on us. It was a pleasure being a "Moe"bot during our run to the semis. Your teams exhibited only grace and professionalism under pressure and in defeat. Your programs set a shining example that we hope our program can strive to emulate and develop into in the future.

We enjoyed being on an alliance with you guys! we pushed until the last second, and proved how well we work. the other alliance definitely had to work for their wins!

nuggetsyl 14-04-2012 22:44
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Thank you to 341 and 1640. I do not think you will find a alliance to triple balance faster. Look forward to seeing you both at champs.

Ryan Dognaux 15-04-2012 02:17
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AGPapa (Post 1158049)
They definitely called 357. I was (and am) confused too.
They did call our team number even though we had qualified already by winning the DC regional. Since we had already qualified, one would assume our spot would be passed to the next MAR team in line. Though I'm not sure if our DC qualifiation would have any bearing on our MAR qualifation. Regardless, we are not attending the championship event this year, and we wish 56 and/or 2180 good luck! Both teams built great quality machines that will represent the region well.

I want to say thanks to 1089 for picking us and thanks to 816 for joining the #3 alliance. Unfortunately we had issues in our second QF match, sometimes things just go wrong at the worst possible moment. That's FIRST. However, I'm still glad we were scouted as an accurate shooter even if our ranking wasn't showing it.

Great job to 365, 222 and 1626 for playing some great matches, a true quality alliance.

1218 - we are extremely happy that you qualified for the championship event! Good luck in St. Louis!

3929 - the whole team was ecstatic when you won the Rookie All Star award. You have had a heck of a rookie season, good luck at the championship and keep the momentum going into next year!

341, 25 & 1640 - the most impressive play I have seen this year. Good luck in St. Louis as well, I expect to see one of these teams in the finals of their division.

All in all, a VERY competitive district championship. In the years to come, I think we will see teams only improving and growing stronger due to the district model. Here's to a great season and good luck to all the MAR teams who will be competing at the Championship event!

DELurker 15-04-2012 06:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Dognaux (Post 1158114)
They did call our team number even though we had qualified already by winning the DC regional. Since we had already qualified, one would assume our spot would be passed to the next MAR team in line. Though I'm not sure if our DC qualifiation would have any bearing on our MAR qualifation. Regardless, we are not attending the championship event this year, and we wish 56 and/or 2180 good luck! Both teams built great quality machines that will represent the region well.
Basically, they took the "registered for Championships" list and eliminated any teams that were on that list. Since 357 has not yet registered, they were eligible for the 5 wild-card slots at MAR.

DELurker 15-04-2012 06:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1158050)
From what we learned, we think we'll be able to duplicate the field conditions at home and use a packet sniffer (again) to see what's really going on.

I'm not convinced it is a field problem, but more likely a problem in our bot that makes us more sensitive to something in the field. The fact that we never failed as red but always failed as Blue is suspicious. Especially when several teams also failed as blue.

Now this bug is getting personal, we're going to find it and fix it - but maybe not in time for St Louis.
Team 1370 would like to help you guys out some more in tracking down this problem. If you need anything or want to get another bot group together on your simulated field, please let us know.

bjbmcd 15-04-2012 08:12
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Scott. Thanks for the ranking spreadsheet. You asked "Are there errors on the sheet or incorrect numbers there?" I believe 3974 should have 4 championship award points. 2 for Highest Rookie Seed Award and 2 for Rookie Inspiration Award.

Team 3974 (E=mCD) would like to thank everyone from the MAR District for making our rookie season terrific. The GP shown by all the teams was incredible. One question we heard many, many times at the events was “What does the mCD stand for". It is short hand for our school name Bishop McDevitt.

Siri 15-04-2012 09:04
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
First and foremost from 1640, many thanks and congratulations to all the awesome volunteers that ensured the MAR Championship and MAR in general had a great first year!

And of course huge, huge (did I say huge?) thanks to 341 and 25 for entrusting us with this job. I cannot articulate how honored any of us are. Despite our scoring issues in quals, we always love contributing our flexibility to an alliance of such astounding capability and strategic insight. Plus, triple balancing rocks! :) Thank you again, and we can't wait to see you at champs.


Also, congratulations to Don Rotolo on a well-deserved WFFA. From what I've heard (apologies for missing our discussion in the whirlwind of mentoring 1640's pit and field crew through a rather abnormal weekend), there's no one better to represent MAR for this year's WFA. And many congratulations to 1676 as a whole on their well-deserved slot to Worlds! We hope to see you there.

My hats off to 1218, 2180 and 2016 (2016 as a 2nd pick!? Only at MAR) as well. You gave us a very serious run for our money in the Finals, especially on the triples. I could not be happier that all of you made Worlds, and I think it's a testament to how well the MAR/FiM system works that this is possible. It was very odd being on the other side of the glass from 1218; what a season!

And of course we'd be remiss in overlooking the huge accomplishments of 3929 (RAS--I've never met a better rookie), and 433 and 75 (RCA), as well as 3142 (EI). I didn't quite fathom the depth of MAR until I realized all the great teams in contention for these awards. Though just so you know, Firebirds, I think you're going every year until you take it all. :)


Finally, my personal congratulations to 365, 222 and 1626. Watching the MOE streak break is difficult for me even in this case. Let me say that your alliance was utterly impressive all through elims, and we were definitely concerned about how finals with you would've played out. You're a fantastic alliance and fantastic teams, and best of luck to MOE and Tigertrons at Worlds. You'll certainly be great, and we hope to play with (not so much against...) you there.


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:yikes: On a more practical note, we're leaving for St. Louis next Wednesday. Wow. So to all those amazing teams in our area also going...anyone have any unused cargo space or seats? We're definitely not as ready for this as we need to be. I don't even know our exact head count quite yet, but offers (specifically cargo space; I suspect most members will fly) are very, very much appreciated.

Jared Russell 15-04-2012 09:33
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Now that the first season of Mid-Atlantic Robotics is in the books I can come out and say it - from Week 1 at Hatboro-Horsham through Week 7 at the Region Championship, my expectations have been consistently surpassed. These events have run EXTREMELY smoothly, and you can already see what the extra competition and unbagging time has done for the level of competition in our region!

There are many thanks and congratulations to give out:

Thanks to 25 and 1640 for being amazing alliance partners! What is scary is that we were putting up 100+ consistently with PLENTY of room for improvement.

25 - Your driver and drive team are the definition of clutch, and your locking drive train was a huge part of why our triple balances were so quick and painless. You were a pleasure to work with in the booth - let's do it again some time soon :)

1640 - We were ecstatic that you were still available! Yes, there were higher scoring teams still on the board, but no one else could come close to your versatility (blocking the inbounder slot, crossing the barrier effortlessly, feeding balls, contributing a couple shots, and your swerve drive helped to ensure easy triples!)

Our finals opponents 1218, 2180, and 2016 gave us huge scares in both Finals rounds!

1218 - You are my favorite team in FRC. You were able to overcome some setbacks during qualifications and selections to assemble quite an impressive display of firepower! Nobody was cheering harder than I when it was announced that you had qualified for Championships. Can't wait to see and talk to you there!

2180 - Great, great robot! It is always a hard fought match when we line up across from you.

2016 - Similar to 1218, I was ecstatic when you guys qualified for the big show. Congratulations!

365 - We have now played 70 rounds of Rebound Rumble, and only saw you ONCE on the field! I don't know why the scheduling gods have conspired to keep us apart this year, but hopefully in St. Louis and the offseason we will actually get to play on the same side for once!

3929 - Congratulations on RAS! I cannot believe you guys are rookies. See you in St. Louis!

75 and 433 - Congrats on Chairman's! Those videos were impressive.

3142 - Congrats on EI! A huge accomplishment for a relatively young team in our ancient region!

Don Rotolo - Count me among those who thought, "what, he hasn't already won WFFA?" It was great to finally meet you in person and I look forward to getting to know you better over the coming years :)

........

Miss Daisy is battered, bruised, and scarred from 70 hard-fought qualification and elimination matches, but she is ready and raring to go for the World Championship in St. Louis. We will do our best to represent the Mid-Atlantic Region and try to bring home some more hardware! Thank you to ALL of our competitors and partners during this Regional/District season: Each of you has helped us to learn how to use our machine more effectively, and has provided inspiration to drive our continuous improvement process.

The Miss Daisy robot that we put on the field is truly a reflection on all of you.

waitwhat? 15-04-2012 09:52
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Team 869 would like to congratulate the winning alliance of 341, 25, and 1640. Your team was absolutely phenomenal and it seems like MAR will be very well represented this year in Champs.

Team 341, for what its worth, we just wanted to thank you guys specifically for taking the time out to try the triple with us a couple times on the practice field, even though we didn't get a chance to try it in competition, it was still an exciting experience. I would also like to thanks you guys for playing against us in one of the most exciting matches of my F.I.R.S.T. career.

At the same time, team 869 would like to thank our alliance partners, 2590 and 486 for taking a chance and picking us! Wish we could've gone farther but it was still a hell of a ride!

scottandme 15-04-2012 10:15
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DELurker (Post 1158130)
Basically, they took the "registered for Championships" list and eliminated any teams that were on that list. Since 357 has not yet registered, they were eligible for the 5 wild-card slots at MAR.
That's what I assumed, just because they deferred at some point (which MAR may/may not have known), doesn't mean they would necessarily defer again.

Can anyone else confirm my memory of the teams announced yesterday? My numbers and the MAR list don't agree, and no final numbers have been posted on the MAR site.

From the crowdsourced data here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...RnY 0E#gid=20

1. 1218 (skip 365, skip 222)
2. 1676
3. 2180
4. 2016 (skip 2590)
5. 486 (skip 272)
6. 357
7. 11
8. 56

What I thought was announced at the MAR Awards: (may have swapped 56 and 2180), but I'm fairly positive 2016 was the #5 spot.

1. 1218
2. 1676
3. 486
4. 357
5. 2016
6. 56
7. 2180

There are some big differences here, which seem to significantly impact 2180 and 56.

ZeroGAdam 15-04-2012 10:18
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottandme (Post 1158151)
That's what I assumed, just because they deferred at some point (which MAR may/may not have known), doesn't mean they would necessarily defer again.

Can anyone else confirm my memory of the teams announced yesterday? My numbers and the MAR list don't agree, and no final numbers have been posted on the MAR site.

From the crowdsourced data here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...RnY 0E#gid=20

1. 1218 (skip 365, skip 222)
2. 1676
3. 2180
4. 2016 (skip 2590)
5. 486 (skip 272)
6. 357 (skip 11)
7. 56

What I thought was announced at the MAR Awards: (may have swapped 56 and 2180), but I'm fairly positive 2016 was the #5 spot.

1. 1218
2. 1676
3. 486
4. 357
5. 2016
6. 56
7. 2180

There are some big differences here, which seem to significantly impact 2180 and 56.
There was a scoring error in the Unofficial MAR ranks... We were contacted today and were told that we qualified. I suspect that they forgot to add in 60 points to our score for finishing as finalists. This would only effect us and not 1218 nor 2016... Everything has been worked out now...

galewind 15-04-2012 10:22
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Awesome! Congrats 2180!! I was hoping you'd qualify!!

scottandme 15-04-2012 10:29
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroGAdam (Post 1158152)
There was a scoring error in the Unofficial MAR ranks... We were contacted today and were told that we qualified. I suspect that they forgot to add in 60 points to our score for finishing as finalists. This would only effect us and not 1218 nor 2016... Everything has been worked out now...
Awesome to hear that they caught it. Congrats!

It looks like we'll have 26! teams at the championship event assuming the CA/EI/RAS teams attend. Seeing over a quarter of the teams in MAR at the championship event is going to be amazing. I'm excited to see the field assignments.

Already registered: 341,365,222,2590,272,1403,103,816,1391,714,1647,31 42,555,1143,41,293

Waiting to register/pay FIRST: 25,1640,75,3929,433,1218,1676,2180,2016,486

ZeroGAdam 15-04-2012 10:40
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by galewind (Post 1158154)
Awesome! Congrats 2180!! I was hoping you'd qualify!!
Thanks Mr. Gregory!!! I was hoping that you guys were going to qualify with us, and I was disappointed when I saw your alliance get knocked out in the quarters...

Thanks for all of the help over the weekend, we would not be where we are without the help of your team!!!!

-Adam Cyran
Team Captain FRC 2180

Lil' Lavery 15-04-2012 11:43
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157843)
115 and 108 in consecutive matches is just unbelievable and to be able to triple balance that smoothly w/o a birdge balancer is amazing alliance selection.
341 used their piston/"stinger" in every balancing attempt I watched from the blue alliance side of the field. I assume they used it in the ones I watched from the red alliance side of the field, as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157871)
Nope, some team at CVR racked up 63 points in penalties in 1 match.
That was 63 of penalty points for the other alliance. It wasn't forcing an opponent into 63 points of penalties. Not a [G44] scenario.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157878)
And 1218 couldn't have driven away from the red bridge?
341 had a position that effectively "pinned" them into the corner (without actually pinning them).

Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1157893)
If you read the italicized print from G25 you'd see that it reads: Techincal-Foul, if the act of balancing is interfered with, also a red Card with the bridge will be counted as balanced with the maximum number of robots possible for that match. They interfered with the act of balancing. This defines what happened in that match.
In my mind, the "act of balancing" only occurs once robots are on the bridge and attempting to balance. Perhaps there was a Q&A that further clarified this.

Jared Russell 15-04-2012 12:03
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
We did use our stinger in all 5 of our triple balances. But a huge part of being able to do it so quickly was due to 25 and 1640. 25's locking drivetrain effectively eliminates the problem of overshoot, and 1640's swerve ensures that they stay straight on the bridge even when they are in the middle of the "sandwich".

The question of how to officiate defense against the triple balance is definitely an interesting one, as it has had major roles in the outcomes of this event, MSC, and the Queen City Regional. I know that the MAR referee crew had talked to Aiden about this exact situation prior to occurring, so I have complete confidence that the way it was officiated at this event will be consistent with how it is officiated going forward. A team update or message from the GDC to confirm this would be appreciated, however.

Robotmmm 15-04-2012 12:03
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
From the crowdsourced data here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...RnY 0E#gid=20

1. 1218 (skip 365, skip 222)
2. 1676
3. 2180
4. 2016 (skip 2590)
5. 486 (skip 272)
6. 357 (skip 11)
7. 56


Can someone explain to me what this means? Why are the teams in parentheses skipped?

Lil' Lavery 15-04-2012 12:07
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robotmmm (Post 1158189)
From the crowdsourced data here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...RnY 0E#gid=20

1. 1218 (skip 365, skip 222)
2. 1676
3. 2180
4. 2016 (skip 2590)
5. 486 (skip 272)
6. 357 (skip 11)
7. 56


Can someone explain to me what this means? Why are the teams in parentheses skipped?
Because they had already registered for Championship or qualified via winning the MAR Chairman's award.

Jared Russell 15-04-2012 12:13
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1158191)
Because they had already registered for Championship or qualified via winning the MAR Chairman's award.
How did 11 already qualify?

dodar 15-04-2012 12:18
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1158196)
How did 11 already qualify?
They aren't. The FIRST website doesnt have them registered for Champs yet.

Robotmmm 15-04-2012 12:23
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Exactly. As far as they know, they are not going. As I read the stats they have more points than 56. I am confused.

Lil' Lavery 15-04-2012 12:25
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1158196)
How did 11 already qualify?
I'm sorry, you are correct. Had them and 75 mixed up in my head for a moment (as the two Chairman's winners of MAR districts I didn't attend). I, too, am unsure of why they are being "skipped" in the crowdsourced data.

rrossbach 15-04-2012 12:36
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DELurker (Post 1158131)
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1158050)
From what we learned, we think we'll be able to duplicate the field conditions at home and use a packet sniffer (again) to see what's really going on.

I'm not convinced it is a field problem, but more likely a problem in our bot that makes us more sensitive to something in the field. The fact that we never failed as red but always failed as Blue is suspicious. Especially when several teams also failed as blue.

Now this bug is getting personal, we're going to find it and fix it - but maybe not in time for St Louis.
Team 1370 would like to help you guys out some more in tracking down this problem. If you need anything or want to get another bot group together on your simulated field, please let us know.
Team 2607 would also like to help out in tracking this down. Just let us know....

- Ron
Team #2607 controls mentor

Lil' Lavery 15-04-2012 12:58
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Anywho, on behalf of myself and 1712 I'd love to congratulate many on an awesome weekend and season.

341- What a truly special season for you guys. Thanks for the help you have provided us over the years, and it's awesome to see you take your game to the next level. A single point away from an undefeated weekend! Can't wait to see what you can accomplish at Championship. Thanks for the words of encouragement members of your team gave us at Hatboro and Philadelphia.

25 - We're glad you were able to rebound from our disappointing finish in Lenape. Absolutely brilliant performance by you over the course of the weekend, and you were definitely deserving of that #1 selection. Good luck in St. Louis!

1640 - Congratulations! You were a blast to sit near on Saturday, and we were thrilled that you guys ended up on your ideal alliance. We knew how worried some of you were by the final selection, and how exhilarating it is to be picked there.

357 - Terrific season by some of our best friends in FRC, and we're bummed you won't be in St. Louis. We were shocked by where you were ranked, and a little upset we contributed to it by losing as your alliance partners all the way back in match 3 (sorry we didn't have our bridge manipulator working for that match). But, despite that, you were still proven as a terrific scoring machine and very deserving of your early 1st round selection.

1089 - Congratulations on a well deserved GP award. Your team is awesome. Wish we could have played in a match together this weekend.

365 - Great season guys. Thankfully, our streak of annual quarterfinal match-ups is over. Hopefully we can align on the same side in eliminations sometime soon!

816 - If only we could have matched the success we found as qualification partners this year in the eliminations in the past two seasons (92 points in Lenape and a great win this weekend).

272 - Wow did you guys improve over the season! We were rooting for you to pull off what would have been an incredible upset in the semis, especially with quite an unorthodox triple balancing method. Wish both of our teams had been competing at this level while we were at Hatboro together (though we lost to not one, but two members of the #2 alliance at the MAR Championship by only a single ball). Great team and great friends. Hopefully we can re-unite in the eliminations again in the future.

433 and 75 - Congratulations to two incredibly deserving MARCA winners! 433 has been an inspiration to Dawgma for a while. We haven't had much interaction with 75 in the past, but your video demonstrated a truly quality program that should be emulated.



What an incredible experience to play at a championship event like this. 22 QP would have put us as the third seed at Hatboro back in week one, but was only good enough for 44th place this time around. A few poorly timed mistakes and failures really cost us at an event of this high stakes, but that's the nature of the game. We do feel that Dawgma proved itself worthy of the event with our performance on the field, even if we only made it in from the wait list. Can't wait to give it another run next season.

Mr MOE 15-04-2012 13:02
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Thanks to a well done inaugural FIRST MAR District Championship Event!

Thank you to all participating teams, event organizers, volunteers, and sponsors. Although we played in the Liacouras Center at Temple for a number of years when the event was the Philadelphia Regional, this event was different. It was the MAR Championship and it showed.

FRC Teams 75 and 433 - I am proud to have you both represent our district for the Chairman's Award. Two great teams and programs.

Team 3142 - Congratulations on your Engineering Inspiration Award! Keep inspiring!

Don Rotolo, FRC Team 1676 - it was an honor to announce your Woodie Flowers Award on Friday afternoon. You are so deserving. Congratulations! Also, a big thanks for the "Dream Team" of WFFA winners in our region get together for this award. I want a copy of that photo!

MAR Deans List finalists
Alexandra Sorge - 102
Steven Donow - 223
Margaret Mary Rilling - 433
Elizabeth Skeele - 75

Wow! You guys have done some fantastic things already in your FIRST careers. I'm looking forward to even more in future years. Way to go!

FRC Teams 341, 25, 1640 - What a Championship Alliance! You guys were a force! While our alliance was hoping to be playing against you, it sure was fun (and less stressful) watching your matches against some great finalists: FRC Teams 1218, 1280, and 2016.

FRC Teams 222 and 1626 - Thanks for some terrific alliance partnership! We were only a double balance away from the finals! Tigertrons, I believe this was our first alliance pairing during an official FIRST event - nice to finally be on the same side!

To all teams qualifying for the Championship Event - congratulations. For those going, it will be a week or so of scrambling and planning. I am looking forward to seeing you all in St Louis. All the best as you represent our region.

Go FIRST! Go MAR Region!

Akash Rastogi 15-04-2012 13:48
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Went 3 for 3 on Rookie All-Star awards, the kids really impressed the judges and other teams, we've made a strong reputation for ourselves as a team to watch for, got a visit from a PA congressman, and qualified for World Championships. Not too bad of a weekend but still disappointed in robot performance and missing elims, being a long bot stinks :p.

Thanks for the kind words and emails from various teams.

A huge round of applause to 341's alliance for the most exciting eliminations matches I've had the chance to see. I am really hoping to see you guys in the same division as us at Champs.

Congrats to 11 as well for a great season so far, hopefully it is not over for you yet. I was sad to not see you walk away with the Chairman's award.

One more thing: It was a little ridiculous to still see teams losing comms and stop moving at this event. It seemed to even happen in eliminations, aside from the issues 1676 already mentioned with their robot. Were the lost comms for other teams determined to be field related or robot related?

Where was this field from? Was it NYC/CT? Internal MAR field? Rutgers field?

scottandme 15-04-2012 13:51
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1158206)
I'm sorry, you are correct. Had them and 75 mixed up in my head for a moment (as the two Chairman's winners of MAR districts I didn't attend). I, too, am unsure of why they are being "skipped" in the crowdsourced data.
Sorry, my fault, I swapped 75 and 11 in my mind, shouldn't post to CD just after waking up...

In the event any of 1218, 1676, 2180, 2016, or 486 passing on their spot, it would go 357 (already passed), 11, 56, 1279, etc, etc.

techhelpbb 15-04-2012 14:11
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1158200)
They aren't. The FIRST website doesnt have them registered for Champs yet.
I wasn't aware that our team was planning on going to that at this time either.

I'm unclear if anyone clarified what the 'skipped' means.

Any ideas?

techhelpbb 15-04-2012 14:17
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1158233)
Went 3 for 3 on Rookie All-Star awards, the kids really impressed the judges and other teams, we've made a strong reputation for ourselves as a team to watch for, got a visit from a PA congressman, and qualified for World Championships. Not too bad of a weekend but still disappointed in robot performance and missing elims, being a long bot stinks :p.

Thanks for the kind words and emails from various teams.

A huge round of applause to 341's alliance for the most exciting eliminations matches I've had the chance to see. I am really hoping to see you guys in the same division as us at Champs.

Congrats to 11 as well for a great season so far, hopefully it is not over for you yet. I was sad to not see you walk away with the Chairman's award.

One more thing: It was a little ridiculous to still see teams losing comms and stop moving at this event. It seemed to even happen in eliminations, aside from the issues 1676 already mentioned with their robot. Were the lost comms for other teams determined to be field related or robot related?

Where was this field from? Was it NYC/CT? Internal MAR field? Rutgers field?
I think Team 11 did wonderfully despite the communications issues that effected them and other teams.

It's my understanding that the field teams worked quite hard with Team 11 to diagnose the underlying issues and my deepest thanks to everyone that helped everyone to deal with it.

It seems the communication issues are a mix of problems many of them pointing back to things that adversly effect the power to the D-Link APs.

Some teams report replacing the PDB adddressed it, for Team 11 it seems to be the DC-DC converter.

I'm not convinced that there isn't a field related aspect to what's going on, but I haven't seen anything offical and I can't dig further till I can get my hands on that DC-DC converter.

Deetman 15-04-2012 14:18
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi (Post 1158233)

One more thing: It was a little ridiculous to still see teams losing comms and stop moving at this event. It seemed to even happen in eliminations, aside from the issues 1676 already mentioned with their robot. Were the lost comms for other teams determined to be field related or robot related?

Where was this field from? Was it NYC/CT? Internal MAR field? Rutgers field?
I was quite shocked to see the comms issues after seeing so few at Hatboro-Horsham, Chestnut Hill, and Lenape. They appeared to be pretty random throughout the event and didn't seem to plague any one team (1676 aside). 1712 had one issue where our driver station laptop wouldn't link up with the robot (FTA's classmate fixed that) but I'm 99% certain that it was on our side with the laptop. As I never spent any time troubleshooting an issue I'd be interested to hear from other teams that had issues and if they repeated or if it was just a one time occurrence.

I'm pretty sure that this was not the MAR field and was one of FIRST's. What other events the field was used at I do not know.

Also wanted to thank 869 for webcasting the event and recording it as well. It isn't broken up into easily digestible chunks yet, but if you missed any of the MAR Champs action it is available at http://www.twitch.tv/powercord869/vi...ast_broadcasts

Lil' Lavery 15-04-2012 14:25
Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
It was the FIRST field with sea green colored crates. Unsure of which events it was at previously.


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