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camtunkpa 05-04-2012 12:42

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
222 is almost ready....we have a couple things we are working on....hopefully they will be done in time.

Deetman 05-04-2012 12:50

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
1712 received a call this morning inviting us to the MAR Championship, which means they've either processed through earlier declines or 2 additional teams have declined since 303 accepted.

We're working with FIRST to get everything finalized now, but 1712 is excited to be attending and is looking forward to a great competition.

Dancin103 05-04-2012 13:06

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Well 103 made the decision since January that we would not be going to state championship, so since we were 11th, that left a spot for one team.

The Lucas 05-04-2012 13:49

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Like 103, I speculate that 555 and 1143 (both registered for Worlds) may forgo MAR CMP on their way to CMP.

As for the issue of backfilling, I would recommend reading the 2012 EVENT ELIGIBILITY, REGISTRATION AND PAYMENT over the MAR Supplemental rules over the since they are more up to date (Feb 28 vs Jan 6).

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2012 EVENT ELIGIBILITY, REGISTRATION AND PAYMENT
The 5 spots for the top ranked teams will be filled by starting at the top of the rankings and moving down as far as is necessary to fill the 5 spots with teams other than the 7 award winners.
The 7 award spots may not be filled by any team(s) other than the 7 award winners even if one of the 7 award winning teams chooses to decline their spot. The only exception is when a member of the winning alliance has already been awarded a slot by winning the MAR Region Championship Chairman’s, Engineering Inspiration, or Rookie All Star award. In this case, a team
will be added from the top ranked teams.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiM
*Note: To the extent any of the three teams on the winning alliance are already registered or qualify for a spot another way, the next available team in ranked order will be substituted in their place.

I don't think it is out of the question that MAR could extend the exception to backfill (next team based on pts) for the winning alliance is "already registered or qualify for a spot another way". This could be very important since I can see many plausible winning alliance combinations with 3 teams already registered for Worlds. I don't expect any backfilling for CA and/or EI if already registered teams 2590 or 3142 win them.

Steven Donow 05-04-2012 13:53

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Looks like 75, 316, and 1672 were just added, bringing the total to 47 right now, meaning 7 more teams left.

Hallry 05-04-2012 15:53

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lucas (Post 1154582)
I don't think it is out of the question that MAR could extend the exception to backfill (next team based on pts) for the winning alliance is "already registered or qualify for a spot another way". This could be very important since I can see many plausible winning alliance combinations with 3 teams already registered for Worlds. I don't expect any backfilling for CA and/or EI if already registered teams 2590 or 3142 win them.

Can anyone get any official response to our 'backfilling' wonders: If a team that is ranked in the top 5 is already qualified for Champs from outside of MAR (HOF, Winner/Chairmans/EI/RAC at a regional, early registration), would the next highest ranked team get to go, and if not automatically, could the already qualified team gracious decline their spot through MAR? ::rtm::

Jared Russell 06-04-2012 13:34

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Up to 50 teams listed now (not counting 1712).

Deetman 06-04-2012 15:17

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1154948)
Up to 50 teams listed now (not counting 1712).

You can count us now... up to 51!

Cyclotron 06-04-2012 16:26

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
MAR just posted an updated event agenda on its website and on the FIRST event page - see link http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles..._PA_Agenda.pdf

Note that two rounds of qualifying matches will be held on Thursday at 4PM - be ready!

Hallry 06-04-2012 16:53

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1154637)
Can anyone get any official response to our 'backfilling' wonders: If a team that is ranked in the top 5 is already qualified for Champs from outside of MAR (HOF, Winner/Chairmans/EI/RAC at a regional, early registration), would the next highest ranked team get to go, and if not automatically, could the already qualified team graciously decline their spot through MAR? ::rtm::

I've been doing some more investigating:

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiM 2012 Supplement Rules
The remaining 10 qualifying spots will be filled by starting at the top of the re-computed rankings and moving down as far as is necessary to fill the ten spots, skipping over teams that are already eligible or scheduled to attend.
*Note: To the extent any of the three teams on the winning alliance are already registered or qualify for a spot another way, the next available team in ranked order will be substituted in their place.

(emphasis mine)
and,
Quote:

Originally Posted by according to Bill Miller in his most recent Bill's Blog post
We're not going to turn any teams away, so if you're already registered for championship, or if you earn a slot during week six or seven, there's already a space waiting for you.

So if St. Louis is expecting to accommodate the maximum number of teams, and since FiM skips over those teams (for ranking spots) that are already going to St. Louis, why wouldn't MAR do the same, and also pass over teams ranked in the top 5 that are already eligible? Does anyone have an official answer if they are going to or not? The MAR rules do not seem to have a definite answer, and only states:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAR 2012 Supplement Rules
The 5 spots for the top ranked teams will be filled by starting at the top of the rankings and moving down as far as is necessary to fill the 5 spots with teams other than the 7 award winners.

It says nothing about teams that qualify for St. Louis through means outside of MAR.

(Just for reference, 5 teams in the top 9 are already going to St. Louis, three of which are in the top 5)

George A. 06-04-2012 18:11

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
I was thinking of doing something that could be fun and wanted to gauge people's interest.

What would people think of using #MARChamps to interact with people at the event and the volunteers that are on twitter? I think it would be a neat idea, that way the people also watching at home on the webcast can interact with us at the event.

What does everyone think?

Siri 06-04-2012 18:18

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclotron (Post 1154986)
MAR just posted an updated event agenda on its website and on the FIRST event page - see link http://www.usfirst.org/uploadedFiles..._PA_Agenda.pdf

Note that two rounds of qualifying matches will be held on Thursday at 4PM - be ready!

Does anyone see/know of any benefit to the Wednesday evening load-in versus waiting until Thursday morning?

Also, any idea why the 45 minutes Thursday morning are still reserved like that? It used to be for uncrating, but now that everyone's just opening a bag it seems that time could theoretically be given back to the teams.

Deetman 06-04-2012 20:32

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1155025)
Does anyone see/know of any benefit to the Wednesday evening load-in versus waiting until Thursday morning?

Also, any idea why the 45 minutes Thursday morning are still reserved like that? It used to be for uncrating, but now that everyone's just opening a bag it seems that time could theoretically be given back to the teams.

If I had to guess this is mainly for logistics purposes. The more you can split teams up trying to load in, the less congestion and confusion there should be both on the loading dock and the pits. I would imagine there will be a split with the teams closer to the Philadelphia area electing to load in Wednesday night and teams traveling a larger distance loading in Thursday morning. There is probably a volunteer benefit as well with needing less people there Wednesday night.

As for the dedicated 45 minutes, in addition to the logistics benefits of keeping the pits as clear as possible, this doesn't give a team that unloaded Wednesday night 45 minutes of extra time Thursday morning (although not that much in the FIRST world) that a team loading in Thursday would not have.

Siri 07-04-2012 10:53

Re: 2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deetman (Post 1155061)
I would imagine there will be a split with the teams closer to the Philadelphia area electing to load in Wednesday night and teams traveling a larger distance loading in Thursday morning.

That all makes sense, thanks. So most of the teams that live over, say, an hour away will be checking in and unloading during the 45 minutes before the pits open on Thursday? Yikes. We may want to do it Wednesday after all...

Mike8519 07-04-2012 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by George A. (Post 1155021)
I was thinking of doing something that could be fun and wanted to gauge people's interest.

What would people think of using #MARChamps to interact with people at the event and the volunteers that are on twitter? I think it would be a neat idea, that way the people also watching at home on the webcast can interact with us at the event.

What does everyone think?

Sounds good to me.


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