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Koko Ed 21-04-2013 20:23

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Originally Posted by CLandrum3081 (Post 1265692)
Chicago would be a little bit closer for MN teams...But I do like the idea of East/West Championships, and 400 at each. Where would the dividing line be? I could see it being the "Missisip'" as my Texan relatives call it (:p ) but I would hate the separation from our friends in Wisconsin. Either way the Midwest would probably get cut in half.

In response to the "robots = danger" theory on this thread, MN has one of the highest "robot densities" in the nation (we have 180 FRC teams and not a whole lot of people...probably only second to Michigan) - I didn't realize how dangerous MN was! :)

The most dangerous thing about Minnesota is the windchill.
It's still snowing up there!

Jaxom 21-04-2013 20:44

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1265914)
The most dangerous thing about Minnesota is the windchill.
It's still snowing up there!

:rolleyes: You would know all about snow, right? Considering that Rochester's long-term yearly average is almost double that of Minneapolis-St. Paul. :)

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c464.html

Koko Ed 22-04-2013 03:52

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Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1265939)
:rolleyes: You would know all about snow, right? Considering that Rochester's long-term yearly average is almost double that of Minneapolis-St. Paul. :)

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c464.html

Yeah but it pretty much stops after March.
Rochester just mostly looks like it lives in a perpetually shaken snowglobe with flakes falling endlessly.
If you keep doing that the inches add up and the next thing you know you have a hundred inches of snow for the season.

Koko Ed 22-04-2013 03:59

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If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

Anthony Galea 22-04-2013 09:10

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1266111)
If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

They'd have to plan around the MLB season with the Blue Jays playing there, but it would be possible.

PayneTrain 22-04-2013 09:51

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1266111)
If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks, but it would be harder for a majority of teams to go even if they earned a spot.

Koko Ed 22-04-2013 09:55

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1266154)
A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks, but it would be harder for a majority of teams to go even if they earned a spot.

Yeah, sadly that's why it'll probably never happen. Which is a shame because Toronto deserves to have it.

Alpha Beta 22-04-2013 10:01

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1266154)
A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks, but it would be harder for a majority of teams to go even if they earned a spot.

Part of the prestige of calling this a "World Championship" comes with the notion that it might be played outside of the United States. I'm willing to consider it. I wonder if teams can plan the trip with their school boards well in advance as a contingency and then cancel it if they don't qualify.

chigskonkwo 11-06-2013 07:09

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Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 1153880)
There are three major issues that need to be addressed when one considers changing the format for the Championship Event

+ The Setting: Location is key. The location has to be somewhat centralized, in a major city, with reasonable logistic options. (for example: i've heard the reason Indianapolis got turned down for the 2011-2013 Championship Event was because all they had was a bus service as a form of public transportation. St. Louis and Atlanta both had rail services running directly from the airports to a location which was walking distance away from the main venue). An International airport is a must at this point. There have to be things of interest besides the Championship Event itself that attract people to that particular city. For example, Atlanta had the Coca-Cola Factory, CNN, and the Aquarium, St. Louis has the Arch. Indianapolis has the motor speedway. The city also has to have a reasonable amount of hotel rooms, everyone needs a bed to sleep on and a place to crash. These hotels also have to be relativity close to the event venue. Visitors also need a place to eat nearby as well. a reasonable amount of food options nearby also need to be accounted for when selecting a city. FIRST transports the various fields using trucks, these trucks need to arrive in the city in a timely manner as well so that they can be set up for the big show. These things factor into the selection for a Championship site.

+ The Venue itself: I believe the city dictates the venue, and the venue will dictate the format of the event. Is it plausible for FIRST to switch over to a convention center style setup? or does FIRST have to stick to the Stadium/Convention Center Hybrid? (Note: the only cites with active dome type stadiums are Atlanta GA, Arlington TX, Detroit MI, Glendale AZ, Houston TX, Indianapolis IN, Minneapolis MN, New Orleans LA, and St. Louis MO.) These are questions that need to be answered before one can move on to selecting a proper venue. The America's Center has a little more than 500,000 square feet of exhibit space, including the dome. The Championship Event took up everything except for some of the ballrooms upstairs. For the championship event to expand, your going to need more exhibit space for pits and fields. As i mentioned above, you need numerous options for dining and lodging nearby the venue. The venue also has to be available for the dates listed. A major flaw with a venue like the LA live event complex is that it includes Staples Center, the home of the Las Angeles Lakers, Las Angeles Clippers of the NBA, and the Las Angeles Kings of the NHL. As most sports fans know, the playoff seasons for the NHL and NBA traditionally start in mid-April. thus, putting the availability for some portions of these venues into question.

+ The format of the event itself: does FIRST want the event to stick to it's traditional roots, with load in being late Wednesday afternoon going into Wednesday night? or are they willing to push this back further so that more things can be put on the event agenda / more teams can participate in the Championship event? does the venue dictate that FIRST has to be limited to x number of FRC/FTC/FLL/JFLL teams/fields? can FIRST expand this in any way. What should teams expect to pay when it comes to expenditures for the expansion of the Championship Event? Can students afford extra days off from school, can mentors/teachers/volunteers afford extra days out of school/work to attend the event? These are the types of questions FIRST should be asking when selecting a new location for Championship.

now, onto my opinion

I think within a couple of years, the event will either have to move back to Atlanta, or move to Chicago/Dallas. Cities like Las Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas and New Orleans are also viable options, although these cities are not centralized. If FIRST somehow makes it tougher for teams to get into the Championship event, keeping roughly the same number of teams/fields, then options like Denver, Indianapolis, San Francisco, San Diego, New York, Houston and Phoenix become available.

Up until the end of build season this year, i was firmly a believer that having fields and pits next door in a convention center setup was a bad idea. that was until i saw this


Panoramic / Seating Chart

That is the Adidas Center Court, which is a part of the NBA Jam Session that takes place during the NBA All Star Weekend. If FIRST could get bleachers like that for their fields. (there is seating just like that on the other side, and there was plenty of seating from behind that viewpoint as well.) then i don't think a lot of people would have a problem with fields being right next to pits in the convention hall. (Seating and noise were the two major concerns that i heard from people after last year's Championship Event regarding the fields in the pits. There's plenty of seating here, and those bleachers covering three sides of the field can create a good noise buffer between the field and pits.)

This is the qualification system I would prefer FIRST use, I believe it balances both the Competition and Award components of the program out evenly. (sorry for it being technical and everything, if there is anything you don't understand please feel free to PM me.)

I also think FIRST would like to keep the FLL and FTC championships under one roof with the FRC events. This is because the kids in these programs are inspired by what we do in FRC. Why should the have that opportunity taken away from them? (this is why the field setup last year was the way it was. they could have fit three fields on the dome floor along with the BEP stage, but they choose not to partially because of this reason).

Personally, I'd love to go "all in" on Vegas. I think the mentors would have a blast, but im not so sure about all the students, and getting parental approval from stricter parents. (Not to mention getting the school board to approve the trip for those teams that have to jump through that flaming hoop).

Edit: I also like Tetraman's idea, although i think some teams/alliances may find that confusing.

Parts of that are good, but I don't think teams competing in Week 1 regionals would appreciate waiting until after Week 7 regionals to see if they made it to Championships.

who716 11-06-2013 08:15

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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1153591)
I think there are a lot of great ideas here. I'm not sure how many of our students or mentors could take an entire week off a school or work to attend, though. Most of us are already feeling the effects of taking three days off for this years championship.

I'm pretty sure the students wouldn't mind hahahaa

ErvinI 11-06-2013 19:44

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Originally Posted by who716 (Post 1279280)
I'm pretty sure the students wouldn't mind hahahaa

As a student that missed around 10 school days this season for competition, I can tell you it gets old very fast when you come back finding out you missed quite a few important lessons.

Jilani 13-06-2013 00:05

Re: Championship 2014 Proposal
 
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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1266111)
If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

It would be amazing to have it here in Canada!

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1266154)
A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks

We Canadians have to deal with similar problems currently ;)

Lil' Lavery 21-06-2013 17:21

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http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...075/1128/rss16

An interesting development for the proponents of a Detroit championship. No timetable for construction and it doesn't solve the Red Wings playoff issues (unless FRC takes over the now unused Joe/Cobo). Unclear whether a convention center is part of the plans, but it is near both Comerica Park and Ford Field.

nikeairmancurry 21-06-2013 17:54

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As interesting as the development is, it doesn't help a whole lot. There just wouldn't be space. Cobo/Joe would be the best chance, but a hockey arena just isn't big enough. Ford field would be nice if there was space for the pits. The new arena space is to be a entertainment district sort of like the CNN center in Atlanta.

As much as I would like it in my home state, I just can't see it.


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