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Nemo 19-04-2013 12:48

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1264778)
FTC is actually smaller than FRC, with slightly fewer teams but less than half the number of students. It does have a few dozen more events; nothing overwhelming, but if the logistics and fees work out for them, the more play the better. Does that mean fewer FTC teams at championships, or will it be a FRC-district type "equivalent" qualification?

One of the things to keep in mind is that FTC only gets 100 teams in two divisions at the Championship. That's one of the reasons that only the alliance *captain* of the winning alliance usually qualifies for the championship, which sucks. FTC should get 200 teams in four divisions. Their pits and fields don't take up as much room as FRC. Maybe that could be squeezed in.

Alex2614 19-04-2013 13:59

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Originally Posted by OZ_341 (Post 1264738)
Our last year in Atlanta 2010, we were approached 3 times by different characters on the street. All 3 were dangerous situations. I grew up in Philly, so I know the difference.
The last incident happened about 5 blocks from the CNN Center, when two nuts with a Taser approached our group. We circled the wagons and silently stood our ground, so they got bored and left. I swore right then that we would never return to Atlanta as a team. I am ultimately responsible for ensuring the safety of my students.

You think any city is completely safe? Everybody has different experiences. We never had a problem in Atlanta, but the second we got to St. Louis (quite literally) in 2011 we felt completely insecure based on the number of "characters" that had approached the team.

Here in our little quaint city of Morgantown, I've had some very interesting and scary interactions, but does that mean that Morgantown is a bad place and completely unsafe? No, it doesn't.

The point is, ANY large city is going to have crime, and logistics in such cities as far as keeping the kids safe is going to be extremely difficult. Yes, some cities are better than others (I will never take a group of high school students to NYC, for example, not because of the crime, but other complications I have experienced).

Each and every one of us has had different experiences. Some of us have had problems in STL and not in ATL, and some have had exactly the opposite. If everybody had similar instances in the same city EVERY time they were there, that would be a different story.

Siri 19-04-2013 14:08

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Originally Posted by Nemo (Post 1264798)
One of the things to keep in mind is that FTC only gets 100 teams in two divisions at the Championship. That's one of the reasons that only the alliance *captain* of the winning alliance usually qualifies for the championship, which sucks. FTC should get 200 teams in four divisions. Their pits and fields don't take up as much room as FRC. Maybe that could be squeezed in.

I've always figured this as a more logical answer than another qualification level. FTC isn't larger the FRC by any means--it doesn't need to weed down the field further, it just needs the same Worlds bids that FRC gets. (200 teams seems like a lot for each division from an FRC standpoint, but I guess if it works for FTC so much the better.)


St. Louis definitely does pose risks, particularly if you have to walk to your hotel at night. I don't think Al disagrees with you, Alex. It's just a reminder for everyone to be safe. Don't people's fortunate experiences not having problems allow you to let your guard down. You might, you might not. This applies everywhere.

Nemo 19-04-2013 14:29

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Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1264827)
I've always figured this as a more logical answer than another qualification level. FTC isn't larger the FRC by any means--it doesn't need to weed down the field further, it just needs the same Worlds bids that FRC gets. (200 teams seems like a lot for each division from an FRC standpoint, but I guess if it works for FTC so much the better.)

FTC has 100 total teams: 50 teams each in two divisions. I'm suggesting four divisions of 50 each for 200 total.

I'm not sure it's necessary to equalize FRC bids with FTC bids; deciding what's equal would depend on whether you want to equalize space, percent of teams qualifying, total number of student members qualifying, etc. But I do feel that FTC's piece of the championship pie seems too small compared to the size of the program.

Edit: and I can only imagine how FLL teams feel...

Iaquinto.Joe 19-04-2013 16:11

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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1264784)
Detroit is actually the Most Dangerous City in America. St. Louis is ranked 2nd and Atlanta is ranked 7th.

MSC is just too powerful.

MechEng83 19-04-2013 17:05

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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1264761)
Has anyone encountered (or heard of other teams encountering) dangerous situations in St. Louis?

You mean other than tornados and massive hail storms?

dodar 19-04-2013 17:13

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Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe (Post 1264870)
MSC is just too powerful.

That wasnt a robot related comment. Detroit is literally the most dangerous city in America.

Wetzel 19-04-2013 18:54

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Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1264761)
Has anyone encountered (or heard of other teams encountering) dangerous situations in St. Louis?

Anecdotes are a poor way of assessing risk. Crime statistics for US cities are becoming easier and easier to find and compare. The main problem is that different states have different reporting requirements, or different definitions of various crime types.

Wetzel

Iaquinto.Joe 19-04-2013 19:35

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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1264893)
That wasnt a robot related comment. Detroit is literally the most dangerous city in America.

I was just playing off the good robots = dangerous city parallel. :p

Doesn't that title belong to Flint, MI? :ahh: :yikes:

drew.spillers 19-04-2013 19:58

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Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe (Post 1264951)
Doesn't that title belong to Flint, MI? :ahh: :yikes:

I would agree with that lol, its not so bad once you get used to gunshots lol

bduddy 19-04-2013 21:04

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In regards to crime, these are all very large and diverse cities. There are certainly neighborhoods in St. Louis where you would not want the championships to be, but based on my experience there, the area where the dome is is fine. I don't know enough about Atlanta, etc, but something similar may apply.

cgmv123 19-04-2013 21:45

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Originally Posted by Nemo (Post 1264833)
Edit: and I can only imagine how FLL teams feel...

Agreed, before we start talking about equalizing FTC and FRC at Championship, we need to remember that FLL has over 4x the teams of FTC and FRC combined and less slots than both of them at Championships. One of our teams was state champions a few years ago, and they didn't get to go to Championship.

PayneTrain 19-04-2013 21:57

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I think the reason you see a low number of FLL and FTC fields is because it may be seen as going against the low-cost model that both aspire to operate under. Champs is VERY expensive for FRC teams. I guess a counter would be that most FL and FTC teams have less than half the members of a team in FRC, but to each their own.

Gregor 19-04-2013 21:57

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Little known fact about FLL, it is brocken up into regions. Not every region can send a team to the championship, and whichever regions those are rotate year to year.

In 2010, Ontario had 229 FLL teams. 1 team qualified for the championships. That in itself is a massive feat, but imagine winning that and still not qualifying?

Calvin Hartley 19-04-2013 22:01

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Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1265030)
Agreed, before we start talking about equalizing FTC and FRC at Championship, we need to remember that FLL has over 4x the teams of FTC and FRC combined and less slots than both of them at Championships. One of our teams was state champions a few years ago, and they didn't get to go to Championship.

Last year I think they had somewhere in the ballpark of 20,000 teams. When my team went to Worlds in 2010/2011 (Body Forward) season there was about 17,000 with 84 slots at worlds. I'll say it again, it was quite cool as an FLL student to see "the big robots".

Wetzel 19-04-2013 22:05

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Virginia and DC is a FLL region with over 600 teams last year and a 80 team championship event. 1 team from that went to Worlds. That said, from the way many of the current teams participate, additional competitions or events with travel would be a significant change.

Wetzel

JohnFogarty 19-04-2013 22:06

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FTC has 128 teams in two divisions at World. At least there are 128 bids.

Bill_B 19-04-2013 22:16

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Originally Posted by cgmv123 (Post 1265030)
Agreed, before we start talking about equalizing FTC and FRC at Championship, we need to remember that FLL has over 4x the teams of FTC and FRC combined and less slots than both of them at Championships. One of our teams was state champions a few years ago, and they didn't get to go to Championship.

The FLL event is not a championship. It is called the World Festival. The FLL participation at CMP is the main reason there are so many nations' flags flying over Einstein. Invitations to the WF had to be scaled back with the proliferation of state and regional championships. Not all champions are invited to celebrate FLL at the WF and there is an allocation of spots for a couple dozen teams from around the world, one per country.

The pertinent core value relates that what we discover is more important than what we win. If you get the chance, stop by the FLL pits to see another important core value in action - We have fun!

cgmv123 19-04-2013 22:16

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About 16.7% of FRC teams qualify for Championship.

16.7% of the 20,500 FLL teams is 3,218.

MARS_James 19-04-2013 22:28

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I think one of the main problems that would develop if there were the same percentage of FLL teams a FRC teams to their totals would be a feeling of that the competition is meant for younger kids only since there would be several thousand of them running around. (Also could you imagine the stands if there were that many FLL teams)

But as brought up above one of the main reasons why there is so little teams there is simple and has been stated above. Cost.
FRC Teams pay a registration fee of I think $5000 to attend Championship I am not sure how much FLL teams pay but it can't be anywhere near that.

cgmv123 19-04-2013 22:47

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Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1265050)
I think one of the main problems that would develop if there were the same percentage of FLL teams a FRC teams to their totals would be a feeling of that the competition is meant for younger kids only since there would be several thousand of them running around. (Also could you imagine the stands if there were that many FLL teams)

But as brought up above one of the main reasons why there is so little teams there is simple and has been stated above. Cost.
FRC Teams pay a registration fee of I think $5000 to attend Championship I am not sure how much FLL teams pay but it can't be anywhere near that.

I agree that there shouldn't necessarily be as many FLL teams at World Festival as there are at the FRC Championship, but I think the current system under represents FLL.

What's more, the current system makes it impossible for half the FLL teams to qualify for World Festival, and those that do only get to send 1 team out of 100+. All FRC events automatically qualify 6 teams out of as low as 30*.

*Western Canada Regional

Koko Ed 20-04-2013 02:22

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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1264780)
That would probably require them to actually encounter people in St Louis, which we have never really seen.

I've only seen a couple of homeless people in St. Louis and one was being removed by police from the park from across the Dome. I think they are making an effort to keep them away from us.

Koko Ed 20-04-2013 02:24

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Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe (Post 1264951)

Doesn't that title belong to Flint, MI? :ahh: :yikes:

Flint looks like the Zombie Apocalypse came and went.

OZ_341 20-04-2013 08:57

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Originally Posted by Alex2614 (Post 1264824)
You think any city is completely safe? Everybody has different experiences. .....

Yes I get that and understand what you are saying. As I said I grew up in the city and love cities. I might even go back to Atlanta on my own if I had a reason to do so. But I won't ever take someone elses children there again. In my previous post, I failed to mention that someone was shot in Olympic Park the day before the FIRST Finale and I know two different teams that witnessed grab & run bag thefts inside hotels. So I had only mentioned a small portion of the things I witnessed there from 2004 - 2010. That being said this is all anecdotal so make of it what you wish.

Anthony Galea 20-04-2013 12:56

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Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1264893)
That wasnt a robot related comment. Detroit is literally the most dangerous city in America.

I was thinking COBO center. It's a large building and the area around there is pretty safe.

Koko Ed 20-04-2013 13:24

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Originally Posted by OZ_341 (Post 1265170)
Yes I get that and understand what you are saying. As I said I grew up in the city and love cities. I might even go back to Atlanta on my own if I had a reason to do so. But I won't ever take someone elses children there again. In my previous post, I failed to mention that someone was shot in Olympic Park the day before the FIRST Finale and I know two different teams that witnessed grab & run bag thefts inside hotels. So I had only mentioned a small portion of the things I witnessed there from 2004 - 2010. That being said this is all anecdotal so make of it what you wish.

Actually I think the shooting occurred a mere couple of hours before the finale.

Ivan Malik 20-04-2013 15:46

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Originally Posted by 3175student17 (Post 1265232)
I was thinking COBO center. It's a large building and the area around there is pretty safe.

It's just plain to small... compare that to the setup in STL. COBO is tiny by comparison. The Joe is only big enough for two fields too. If only there was something closer to ford field, then the D would be a possibility.

As stated before, every city has its bad areas and its good areas. Detroit is actually rather safe... if you know where you're going. It is rather easy to get turned around though and be in a bad spot rather quickly. There is very little of the traditional grid pattern to the city (It's a wheel instead). To those in SE Michigan it's no big deal we just know where to go, but to someone who has never been to the city, it is confusing as all get. Add in the fact that almost every mile rd could be called by a different name than is actually on the street sign and any non-Michigander is lost in a heart beat.:ahh:

drew.spillers 20-04-2013 15:57

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1265152)
Flint looks like the Zombie Apocalypse came and went.

We don't eat brains that much anymore, only on holidays :)

Steven Donow 20-04-2013 20:55

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VEX Championships was just announced as April 23-26th...looks like that means next year's FRC Championship will be in May...that just sounds strange...

BigJ 20-04-2013 20:57

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Originally Posted by DevenStonow (Post 1265454)
VEX Championships was just announced as April 23-26th...looks like that means next year's FRC Championship will be in May...that just sounds strange...

No sir, it's been listed as the same weekend for at least a week here (first time I looked at this page recently)

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...pionship-event

Interesting.

PayneTrain 20-04-2013 20:59

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FIRST has had their dates and location for the 2014 event since the end of the 2012 Champs, IIRC.

Steven Donow 20-04-2013 21:00

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Originally Posted by BigJ (Post 1265456)
No sir, it's been listed as the same weekend for at least a week here (first time I looked at this page recently)

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...pionship-event

Interesting.

That makes things even more interesting...also the VEX announcement didn't have a graphic or anything, it was just during president of the REC(robotics education commission? I'm not too familiar with VEX oranizations) giving a speech...

Wetzel 20-04-2013 21:05

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Originally Posted by DevenStonow (Post 1265462)
That makes things even more interesting...also the VEX announcement didn't have a graphic or anything, it was just during president of the REC(robotics education commission? I'm not too familiar with VEX oranizations) giving a speech...

Robotics Education & Competition Foundation, they are a non-profit organization that works with VEX.

CLandrum3081 21-04-2013 12:19

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Chicago would be a little bit closer for MN teams...But I do like the idea of East/West Championships, and 400 at each. Where would the dividing line be? I could see it being the "Missisip'" as my Texan relatives call it (:p ) but I would hate the separation from our friends in Wisconsin. Either way the Midwest would probably get cut in half.

In response to the "robots = danger" theory on this thread, MN has one of the highest "robot densities" in the nation (we have 180 FRC teams and not a whole lot of people...probably only second to Michigan) - I didn't realize how dangerous MN was! :)

Siri 21-04-2013 20:19

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Originally Posted by CLandrum3081 (Post 1265692)
Chicago would be a little bit closer for MN teams...But I do like the idea of East/West Championships, and 400 at each. Where would the dividing line be? I could see it being the "Missisip'" as my Texan relatives call it (:p ) but I would hate the separation from our friends in Wisconsin. Either way the Midwest would probably get cut in half.

Likely, but there's nothing that says FIRST has to draw the line themselves. They could--if they wanted to--allow a conference system for border teams to opt one way or the other. NEFIRST is/was considering one for their district model, though I don't believe FIRST has ruled on it yet.

Koko Ed 21-04-2013 20:23

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Originally Posted by CLandrum3081 (Post 1265692)
Chicago would be a little bit closer for MN teams...But I do like the idea of East/West Championships, and 400 at each. Where would the dividing line be? I could see it being the "Missisip'" as my Texan relatives call it (:p ) but I would hate the separation from our friends in Wisconsin. Either way the Midwest would probably get cut in half.

In response to the "robots = danger" theory on this thread, MN has one of the highest "robot densities" in the nation (we have 180 FRC teams and not a whole lot of people...probably only second to Michigan) - I didn't realize how dangerous MN was! :)

The most dangerous thing about Minnesota is the windchill.
It's still snowing up there!

Jaxom 21-04-2013 20:44

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1265914)
The most dangerous thing about Minnesota is the windchill.
It's still snowing up there!

:rolleyes: You would know all about snow, right? Considering that Rochester's long-term yearly average is almost double that of Minneapolis-St. Paul. :)

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c464.html

Koko Ed 22-04-2013 03:52

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Originally Posted by Jaxom (Post 1265939)
:rolleyes: You would know all about snow, right? Considering that Rochester's long-term yearly average is almost double that of Minneapolis-St. Paul. :)

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c464.html

Yeah but it pretty much stops after March.
Rochester just mostly looks like it lives in a perpetually shaken snowglobe with flakes falling endlessly.
If you keep doing that the inches add up and the next thing you know you have a hundred inches of snow for the season.

Koko Ed 22-04-2013 03:59

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If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

Anthony Galea 22-04-2013 09:10

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1266111)
If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

They'd have to plan around the MLB season with the Blue Jays playing there, but it would be possible.

PayneTrain 22-04-2013 09:51

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1266111)
If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks, but it would be harder for a majority of teams to go even if they earned a spot.

Koko Ed 22-04-2013 09:55

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1266154)
A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks, but it would be harder for a majority of teams to go even if they earned a spot.

Yeah, sadly that's why it'll probably never happen. Which is a shame because Toronto deserves to have it.

Alpha Beta 22-04-2013 10:01

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1266154)
A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks, but it would be harder for a majority of teams to go even if they earned a spot.

Part of the prestige of calling this a "World Championship" comes with the notion that it might be played outside of the United States. I'm willing to consider it. I wonder if teams can plan the trip with their school boards well in advance as a contingency and then cancel it if they don't qualify.

chigskonkwo 11-06-2013 07:09

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Originally Posted by Nawaid Ladak (Post 1153880)
There are three major issues that need to be addressed when one considers changing the format for the Championship Event

+ The Setting: Location is key. The location has to be somewhat centralized, in a major city, with reasonable logistic options. (for example: i've heard the reason Indianapolis got turned down for the 2011-2013 Championship Event was because all they had was a bus service as a form of public transportation. St. Louis and Atlanta both had rail services running directly from the airports to a location which was walking distance away from the main venue). An International airport is a must at this point. There have to be things of interest besides the Championship Event itself that attract people to that particular city. For example, Atlanta had the Coca-Cola Factory, CNN, and the Aquarium, St. Louis has the Arch. Indianapolis has the motor speedway. The city also has to have a reasonable amount of hotel rooms, everyone needs a bed to sleep on and a place to crash. These hotels also have to be relativity close to the event venue. Visitors also need a place to eat nearby as well. a reasonable amount of food options nearby also need to be accounted for when selecting a city. FIRST transports the various fields using trucks, these trucks need to arrive in the city in a timely manner as well so that they can be set up for the big show. These things factor into the selection for a Championship site.

+ The Venue itself: I believe the city dictates the venue, and the venue will dictate the format of the event. Is it plausible for FIRST to switch over to a convention center style setup? or does FIRST have to stick to the Stadium/Convention Center Hybrid? (Note: the only cites with active dome type stadiums are Atlanta GA, Arlington TX, Detroit MI, Glendale AZ, Houston TX, Indianapolis IN, Minneapolis MN, New Orleans LA, and St. Louis MO.) These are questions that need to be answered before one can move on to selecting a proper venue. The America's Center has a little more than 500,000 square feet of exhibit space, including the dome. The Championship Event took up everything except for some of the ballrooms upstairs. For the championship event to expand, your going to need more exhibit space for pits and fields. As i mentioned above, you need numerous options for dining and lodging nearby the venue. The venue also has to be available for the dates listed. A major flaw with a venue like the LA live event complex is that it includes Staples Center, the home of the Las Angeles Lakers, Las Angeles Clippers of the NBA, and the Las Angeles Kings of the NHL. As most sports fans know, the playoff seasons for the NHL and NBA traditionally start in mid-April. thus, putting the availability for some portions of these venues into question.

+ The format of the event itself: does FIRST want the event to stick to it's traditional roots, with load in being late Wednesday afternoon going into Wednesday night? or are they willing to push this back further so that more things can be put on the event agenda / more teams can participate in the Championship event? does the venue dictate that FIRST has to be limited to x number of FRC/FTC/FLL/JFLL teams/fields? can FIRST expand this in any way. What should teams expect to pay when it comes to expenditures for the expansion of the Championship Event? Can students afford extra days off from school, can mentors/teachers/volunteers afford extra days out of school/work to attend the event? These are the types of questions FIRST should be asking when selecting a new location for Championship.

now, onto my opinion

I think within a couple of years, the event will either have to move back to Atlanta, or move to Chicago/Dallas. Cities like Las Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas and New Orleans are also viable options, although these cities are not centralized. If FIRST somehow makes it tougher for teams to get into the Championship event, keeping roughly the same number of teams/fields, then options like Denver, Indianapolis, San Francisco, San Diego, New York, Houston and Phoenix become available.

Up until the end of build season this year, i was firmly a believer that having fields and pits next door in a convention center setup was a bad idea. that was until i saw this


Panoramic / Seating Chart

That is the Adidas Center Court, which is a part of the NBA Jam Session that takes place during the NBA All Star Weekend. If FIRST could get bleachers like that for their fields. (there is seating just like that on the other side, and there was plenty of seating from behind that viewpoint as well.) then i don't think a lot of people would have a problem with fields being right next to pits in the convention hall. (Seating and noise were the two major concerns that i heard from people after last year's Championship Event regarding the fields in the pits. There's plenty of seating here, and those bleachers covering three sides of the field can create a good noise buffer between the field and pits.)

This is the qualification system I would prefer FIRST use, I believe it balances both the Competition and Award components of the program out evenly. (sorry for it being technical and everything, if there is anything you don't understand please feel free to PM me.)

I also think FIRST would like to keep the FLL and FTC championships under one roof with the FRC events. This is because the kids in these programs are inspired by what we do in FRC. Why should the have that opportunity taken away from them? (this is why the field setup last year was the way it was. they could have fit three fields on the dome floor along with the BEP stage, but they choose not to partially because of this reason).

Personally, I'd love to go "all in" on Vegas. I think the mentors would have a blast, but im not so sure about all the students, and getting parental approval from stricter parents. (Not to mention getting the school board to approve the trip for those teams that have to jump through that flaming hoop).

Edit: I also like Tetraman's idea, although i think some teams/alliances may find that confusing.

Parts of that are good, but I don't think teams competing in Week 1 regionals would appreciate waiting until after Week 7 regionals to see if they made it to Championships.

who716 11-06-2013 08:15

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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1153591)
I think there are a lot of great ideas here. I'm not sure how many of our students or mentors could take an entire week off a school or work to attend, though. Most of us are already feeling the effects of taking three days off for this years championship.

I'm pretty sure the students wouldn't mind hahahaa

ErvinI 11-06-2013 19:44

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Originally Posted by who716 (Post 1279280)
I'm pretty sure the students wouldn't mind hahahaa

As a student that missed around 10 school days this season for competition, I can tell you it gets old very fast when you come back finding out you missed quite a few important lessons.

Jilani 13-06-2013 00:05

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Originally Posted by Koko Ed (Post 1266111)
If I had my choice of places I'd like to see the championships I would say Toronto, Ontario. It's a gorgeous city (bigger than Chicago) and I'd bet the Roger Centre would handle FIRST's needs nicely.
In all my travels Toronto is one place where I felt completely safe (though I'm sure poor team 288 would disagree).

It would be amazing to have it here in Canada!

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Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1266154)
A significant number of schools in the United States have to work around restrictions for international travel outside of 6 months-1 year, which stinks

We Canadians have to deal with similar problems currently ;)

Lil' Lavery 21-06-2013 17:21

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http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...075/1128/rss16

An interesting development for the proponents of a Detroit championship. No timetable for construction and it doesn't solve the Red Wings playoff issues (unless FRC takes over the now unused Joe/Cobo). Unclear whether a convention center is part of the plans, but it is near both Comerica Park and Ford Field.

nikeairmancurry 21-06-2013 17:54

Re: Championship 2014 Proposal
 
As interesting as the development is, it doesn't help a whole lot. There just wouldn't be space. Cobo/Joe would be the best chance, but a hockey arena just isn't big enough. Ford field would be nice if there was space for the pits. The new arena space is to be a entertainment district sort of like the CNN center in Atlanta.

As much as I would like it in my home state, I just can't see it.


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