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You mean other than tornados and massive hail storms?

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That wasnt a robot related comment. Detroit is literally the most dangerous city in America.

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Anecdotes are a poor way of assessing risk. Crime statistics for US cities are becoming easier and easier to find and compare. The main problem is that different states have different reporting requirements, or different definitions of various crime types.

Wetzel

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I was just playing off the good robots = dangerous city parallel. :p

Doesn't that title belong to Flint, MI? :ahh: :yikes:

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I would agree with that lol, its not so bad once you get used to gunshots lol

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In regards to crime, these are all very large and diverse cities. There are certainly neighborhoods in St. Louis where you would not want the championships to be, but based on my experience there, the area where the dome is is fine. I don't know enough about Atlanta, etc, but something similar may apply.

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Agreed, before we start talking about equalizing FTC and FRC at Championship, we need to remember that FLL has over 4x the teams of FTC and FRC combined and less slots than both of them at Championships. One of our teams was state champions a few years ago, and they didn't get to go to Championship.

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I think the reason you see a low number of FLL and FTC fields is because it may be seen as going against the low-cost model that both aspire to operate under. Champs is VERY expensive for FRC teams. I guess a counter would be that most FL and FTC teams have less than half the members of a team in FRC, but to each their own.

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Little known fact about FLL, it is brocken up into regions. Not every region can send a team to the championship, and whichever regions those are rotate year to year.

In 2010, Ontario had 229 FLL teams. 1 team qualified for the championships. That in itself is a massive feat, but imagine winning that and still not qualifying?

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Last year I think they had somewhere in the ballpark of 20,000 teams. When my team went to Worlds in 2010/2011 (Body Forward) season there was about 17,000 with 84 slots at worlds. I'll say it again, it was quite cool as an FLL student to see "the big robots".

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Virginia and DC is a FLL region with over 600 teams last year and a 80 team championship event. 1 team from that went to Worlds. That said, from the way many of the current teams participate, additional competitions or events with travel would be a significant change.

Wetzel

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FTC has 128 teams in two divisions at World. At least there are 128 bids.

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The FLL event is not a championship. It is called the World Festival. The FLL participation at CMP is the main reason there are so many nations' flags flying over Einstein. Invitations to the WF had to be scaled back with the proliferation of state and regional championships. Not all champions are invited to celebrate FLL at the WF and there is an allocation of spots for a couple dozen teams from around the world, one per country.

The pertinent core value relates that what we discover is more important than what we win. If you get the chance, stop by the FLL pits to see another important core value in action - We have fun!

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About 16.7% of FRC teams qualify for Championship.

16.7% of the 20,500 FLL teams is 3,218.

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I think one of the main problems that would develop if there were the same percentage of FLL teams a FRC teams to their totals would be a feeling of that the competition is meant for younger kids only since there would be several thousand of them running around. (Also could you imagine the stands if there were that many FLL teams)

But as brought up above one of the main reasons why there is so little teams there is simple and has been stated above. Cost.
FRC Teams pay a registration fee of I think $5000 to attend Championship I am not sure how much FLL teams pay but it can't be anywhere near that.