The Best Team(s) to never win a regional
 

Every year at all of the regionals 3 teams (4 if an alternate is used) win the regional my question to Chief Delphi is who do you feel are the best teams to never win a regional

Here are the rules:
You must compete with the team fairly regularly
They must have competed in 5 FRC seasons so as to have teams who have competed a lot
You can not vote for your own team or teams

My opinion from Florida is 1065 Moose formerly Tatsu and 744 Shark Attack

1065 while Tatsu always showed up ready to compete and a tough robot to deal with and upon their revival as Moose especially the last two games have had robots that always an be considered one of the best out there

744 is an enigma as before doing research for this list I thought for sure they must have won somewhere yet they haven't even when you take in their associations with 710 and 267 they never cinched the the regional win, despite powerhouse robots who consistently rank well in seeding

So my fellow FRC members who are your team(s) that you feel should have won a regional by now but haven't?

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1718 - They are too awesome not to have won a regional yet they haven't. They always build competitive machines. I believe they were second overall pick on Newton and made it to the finals in 2010. They often make finals or semifinals but can't seem to notch it up with a win. Even the team they mentored last year, 3539, with almost the same robot, won a district last year. I simply can't believe the Fighting Pi haven't won an event yet! They cooped in ALL of their qualification matches at West Michigan and got first seed!

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I completely agree with 1718. Most people would be surprised that they have yet to win a competition.

I'm not sure if there is any team more deserving of a win asides from them.

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Until 2 weeks ago I would have said "1501", but they took care of that.
;)

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1403

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2068.

Each year the always build competitive machines. Except for 2008, they have reached the Semi-Finals for every even they have attended, including the championship event. This past year they reached the Finals of the Baltimore regional.

They put in the hours in scouting, and their vex program has constantly created better and better students for FRC. From what I've heard they had a very young team this year, I can't wait to see them get their first Blue Banner in 2013.

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Definitely agree with 1718.

Since you said to pick teams we have competed with though I'll keep it local and say 1403 and 1089. I trust that both teams will have regional (or district) event banners soon though.

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I am going to throw 801 Horsepower into the mix for this 2012 season. They are twin to 1592 who has won two regionals. 1251 is sorry to have let Horsepower down in South Florida.

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Horsepower won the 2005 Peachtree regional, true it wasn't Florida but it still is a regional win

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Team 801 Horsepower also won the 2004 Florida Regional.

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From the KC/St. Louis Area

1094 -- Semifinalists twice this year (2012), Semifinalist 2011, Quarterfinalist twice in 2010, Quarterfinalist twice in 2009, Semifnialist in 2008, Semifinalist in 2007...

1939 -- Regional Finalists in 2010 and 2011, Semifinalists twice in 2009, SemiFinalists and EI winner in 2008, Quarterfinalist this year (2012).

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I like the idea of this thread and how it singles out great teams that don't always get the recognition due.

From Texas,

Veteran Teams: 441 , 1296

Younger Teams (<5 years): 2936 , 2848

This is a MUCH better discussion than how many wins or chairman's does your team have !

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1296 won the 2008 Colorado Regional.

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Seriously? 1718 hasn't one a regional? They were so good in 2010! I had thought that's how they made it to Champs.

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Up in Western New York most of the teams have gotten a shot with a regional win at some point or another. Looking at TBA, I think the best team to not win a regional is team 378, the Circuit Stompers. They've been finalists twice, made the semifinals and quarterfinals many times, and apparently went to Einstein in 2003? Obviously the older records are incomplete, so they might have won a regional in 2003 or earlier. But they're always a contender at FLR.

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I think they were one of the 10 teams from MSC who qualifies for CMP based on points.

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And 2848 won the 2011 Dallas Regional.

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They've had some ups and downs recently, but I'd like to throw in my old team: 308 - the Monsters.

Accomplishments:

World Finalist 2002
2 IRI wins (as alliance captain, not as 3rd pick or something like that)
Multiple other off-season event wins
About 7 regional / district finalist medals

But still never actually won an official event.

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461 Westside Boiler Invasion. I think they have been finalists at least 6 times.

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There are a pile of Canadian teams out there in this situation as the GTR and Waterloo regionals have long been dominated by 1114 and/or 2056 for many years. Many however have started heading south and have met with successes at foreign regionals.

854 has fielded some amazing machines in the past and for a couple years, lived in the top 8 but always lost out to the aforementioned. I remember Karthik introducing them one year during the finals as "the team that is always near the top yet something just doesn't quite work out-"

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We were selected by 744 last year at the SC regional, we had a reasonably good alliance but we couldn't seem to really pull it off. It happens I guess.

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854's 2007 robot is still one of my all time favorites.

There are a bunch of Canadian teams that have probably deserved a regional win, I'm glad that teams like 772 and 610 decided to go to American Regionals this year and got well deserved Regional Wins. It has been 10 years since 610's last and only Regional win... (that was pre 1114). The success of Canadian teams at American Regionals and at the World Championship speaks to how high the bar has been set in Canada by 1114 and 2056.

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They broke their streak at the CAGE Match though. (oh, yeah, unofficial offseason event. I forgot.)

I'd add 1741 to the list. Not as the best robot to never win a regional - they've had their ups and downs - but, as the title says, Best Team. RCA winners, multiple K-PE winners, fantastic students and supporters.

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I'll throw out a local pick: 1102. M'Aiken Magic is one of those teams that's a great group of people (2003 Peachtree Rookie All-Star, three Engineering Inspiration awards, one RCA), and is almost always in the hunt (2005 Peachtree finalists, 2010 Palmetto finalists, and a certain team from Greenville, Texas you might've heard of picked them at Championship 2007), but they've never been able to seal the deal in FRC. (We'll ignore that their FTC arm has been to the top of the mountain, winning the Championship a couple of years ago.)

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There are plenty of teams that do great at Colorado and deserve to win. sadly, The only one of those that hasn't won is my own... Time to step it up a notch. :)

EDIT: i correct myself. 4387 Was a rookie this year who built their robot on Thursday and part of Friday and got second. I can't wait to see if they get to go up for FIRST in the future.

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I'd have to mention team 1323: MadTown Robotics.
Over the past 5 or so years, they've been building some pretty solid performing robots. And the regionals they frequent are pretty tough. SVR, Sacramento some years, they're even hosting CVR this week. It's tough being a California team :P

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Glad they got mentioned by a local team before I had to mention them :p

1323 was extremely close to taking SVR last year IMO. If autonomous had worked for them I believe they would have had a gold.

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I stand corrected, this is what happens when I try to post from memory and FRC team information is down. :confused:

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Has 2949 won a regional? I remember they had a huge upset over 111 and 1625 at Midwest in 2010 and have been an incredibly competitive and awesome team ever since.

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As stated by several other members, 1718 deserves to win a regional/district. Their robot has always amazed me and I was shocked when I learned in 2011 that 1718 has never won a regional/district.

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I'm going to throw team 701 into the mix. They always have a very solid robot, but always end up being picked by the middle alliances, which in CA rarely win the regional.

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I know 177 has won regional events before, but according to their site their last victory was in 2006. That's about as far back as 1718 goes, so if you ignore the head start some teams have had, 177 has been by far the most impressive team without a regional victory (they have won 5 divisions and 2 championships in that time).

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My nomination from New Hampshire / Massachusetts is Team 1153, the Robo-Rebels. Every year, they produce an excellent high-quality robot that is one to be reckoned with in the elimination rounds. However, despite regularly mopping up robot-related judged awards and being regional finalists twice, a regional win has somehow eluded them. They've even won New England's Premier off-season event, BattleCry, which tends to have a tougher combined field than any individual New England regional, but have yet to collect a blue banner.

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Seconded for 1153. That particular BattleCry in 2007 they defeated the juggernaut that was 40 and 121, and were the last to do so. 40 and 121 (40 and 78 in 2010 and 2011) would go on to win the next 4 BattleCry's together as the #1 seed in all cases.

Their 2009 robot was one of the best in New England, losing to the regional champions in Semifinals at Boston and Finals in Philadelphia, and reaching finals at BattleCry in a close series with the aforementioned 40/121 combo.

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I feel like them Winning in newton and then winning champs in 2010 kinda disqualifies them from this thread. haha

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A couple of teams worthy of mention.

1731 - Seeded #1 at the VCU regional as a rookie in 2006. Had an absolutely incredible robot in 2008 that was unfortunately beaten in the finals twice (including going hurdle for hurdle with 1024* and 1126 in Buckeye, with F-2 being decided by a hybrid period miscue). Has been a consistent elimination contender since then. A pair of semi-final exits this year.

612 - 3x Regional Chairman's Awards, 2x Regional Finalist. Typically a first round selection or alliance captain at most events they attend. Was on the #8 alliance at both of their events this year, unfortunately resulting in two QF losses.


*1024 won three regionals, reached Einstein, and went to the finals at IRI in 2008.

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And 2007 (Newton Division and World Champs with 190 and 987). I'm fairly confident say that 177 is the ONLY team to have won two Championships without having won any regionals in that time span.

However, the thread is about regional wins, and technically they haven't won a regional since 2006, regardless of how impressive their championship record is.

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I'm still amazed 1718 has never won an event.

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Thanks for the mention! I hope we can either be one of those top picking teams next year or take a middle alliance to the top and defy the odds. (or heck maybe win Spokane this weekend)

Also at Sac as already mentioned, 1323 Madtown. Their robots are just so elegant every year. As a young freshman before I knew any better I used to think they were the Cheesy Poofs. The color scheme didn't help me differentiate until I started to learn some team numbers.

The bumpers don't look great in this picture but the rest of the robot is so nicely machined.

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Agreed about 1153. 2648, 172, and 238 also merit particular callouts - I believe all have yet to win a regional, despite being great teams on and off the field!

Not to toot our own horn, but 40 and 78 didn't win BattleCry in 2011... our alliance with 1073 and 238 won at BattleCry. Regardless, 40 and 121/78's 3-year streak at BattleCry was very impressive!

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We have a tendency to peak late in the season. We usually need an event or two to figure out the best way to improve our robot best for the game. We also usually need to ring out several issues with our robots at our first event.

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True, they came close several times. Almost beat HOT in 2010 on Newton.
They are my buds, and I believe they will win soon!!!!!!!!!!

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I'd have to stick in Team 2733 (The Pigmice). A super-awesome team that, for some inexplicably ridiculous reason, has never won a single FRC Regional!! They came super close in 2011 when they teamed up with us, but unfortunately, we came up short of victory in the finals of the Portland Autodesk Regional.

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I agree with this one! For the record, 1731 was a part of the 2008 IRI alliance with 1024 that went to the finals. They played the first match in the eliminations as our (1024) backup because we had an issue to fix. They were an awesome robot and team!

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Wait... a chance to make fun of 1323's bumpers? I'm in! :deadhorse:

Could we also add longest drought between regional wins? I know 33 went from 2005 -> 2011 and 27 went from 2003 -> 2011.

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also team 100, the wildcats, were without a win from a national championship back in 1997 to 2007 at sac.

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Has anyone mentioned 1126 yet?

Always and forever one of the most underrated teams in FRC.

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1126 has won at least four events - Buckeye 2003, Buckeye 2004, Finger Lakes 2006, and Buckeye 2008.

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I mentioned them in a post where I described 1731 losing to them in the 2008 Buckeye finals. ;)

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Ah sorry I meant to post in the Underrated Team thread. My bad!

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2949 has never won a regional, but according to TBA, they've played past lunch at every event (minus champs).

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1018 Produce decent quality robots, but they never seem to win.

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What do u guys think about 647 they are a low number and have been in first for a while?? :confused:

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I think two things:

a) 647 does not belong in this thread, having won Lone Star in 2003 and 2010.
b) Bringing up your own team in discussions like this is generally considered bad form. :)

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sorry i miss understood this threat lol again sorry :(

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No offense to 2949, who has quite a robot this year, but that's not that exclusive of a club (especially for young teams).

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Yeah, I know. Someone mentioned them earlier and asking if they had won any regionals. Shoulda quoted to add context :rolleyes:

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and two divisions in 2004 and 2006.

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95 -> 2000 - ? :p

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They also won Galileo in 2006 and and another division in 2004.

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Thanks Titanium! We really work hard to build a decent robot every year. Congrats on your win in KC this year. It was well deserved and a long time in the making.

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Yeah, 461 has a "curse"... they end up as finalists a lot but have never won an official event (they almost made it Einstien in 2004). The other odd thing is half the time the reason for the downfall is something dumb (like BMR 2007).

Seconded on 1741... They are underrated.

within the Indiana teams I agree that 1018 is underrated. Having been on a team that had been allied with them twice (BMR 2009-2010), I was impressed.

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I'm saying this from knowledge given to me by a team member I know pretty well, Team 1102 has never won a regional they've gotten chairmans and Inspiration before, but never won a regional in their 10 years of existence.
Which I find strange considering how well the did in the Newton division in 2007, then finalists in 2010 at Palmetto, and then this year at Palmetto the only team going undefeated for the first day, They've had solid robots but no blue banner still to this day.

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I would like to see someone mention our team;)

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Well how about that, we got mentioned twice. (:
Thank you,
It is true however the FRC team has gotten very close a few times to a blue banner, but never have we actually received one. This year especially was difficult for us to shake off the loss, we had one of the most solid machines we've ever built, since 2007, and 2008.
We hope to keep building on this experience and hopefully get the team a blue banner next year. It'll be my last year working with the team, (I'll be a mentor this time) and then it's off to USC Columbia, I hear there is a Gamecock FIRSTER's club I have to join. ;)

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Any teams in Maryland that are good but havent won regional i been oout of FIRST few years

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What about team 2085?

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2085 is really good too, i think they got close to winning recently

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1388 has been close a couple of times, and even won a division, but never won a regional.