Chief Delphi - 2012 MSC

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Lightning Robotics is excited to be a part of this awesome event!

Few of our students made this promo video for our pit display: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbxK3oM1LT0

The NC Gears are just happy that our check finally cleared at FIRST HQ and now we actually show up on the roster of teams!

Every team at MSC should be capable of tipping the bridge and balancing. I foresee a lot of triple doubles, with basket scoring once again determining matches. Hybrid will be huge. Be flexible on your setup, movements, and timing to avoid clashing with your partners. I expect defense will be a much bigger factor than it was at district events, where the non-scorers were often also non-bridge crossers and therefore unable to play defense. Creatively driven, wide defense bots that have good hybrid and don't collect fouls will valuable picks for elims.

Its going to be fun to watch and an honor to participate.

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Originally Posted by Wayne TenBrink (Post 1156060)

I expect defense will be a much bigger factor than it was at district events

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

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Originally Posted by ChristopherSD (Post 1156066)

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

Not to derail, but what were all those penalties for?

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Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1156069)

Not to derail, but what were all those penalties for?

Probably for transitory contact with the key. If the two blue robots were touching each other and one was touching the key, both are considered to be protected.

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Originally Posted by ChristopherSD (Post 1156066)

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

Which is why we (FRC 862) chose to build our fender bot with a "sideways" shooter. So we can use the drivetrain to push back and get into position. Worked pretty well at Livonia when there was some tough defense played on us in elims. See the video from post #16 for some highlights.

Should be a great competition. Can't wait!

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Originally Posted by pathew100 (Post 1156077)

Probably for transitory contact with the key. If the two blue robots were touching each other and one was touching the key, both are considered to be protected.

I don't believe there's any such thing as transitory contact. It appeared to be [G27]s on 548. Deliberate or damaging contact inside the frame perimeter.

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Originally Posted by ChristopherSD (Post 1156066)

Completely agree. Teams that prefer shooting two feet from the hoop are at high risk.

Watch the robot on the Coopertition bridge play defense on 548.

Don't worry about us, we've made massive shooting changes if there's a defender anywhere close. Also I am extremely excited for MSC, I don't see one team on the list that isn't scary in some aspect!

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Originally Posted by Jack Jones (Post 1156084)

I don't believe there's any such thing as transitory contact. It appeared to be [G27]s on 548. Deliberate or damaging contact inside the frame perimeter.

Yes Jack is right. The offensive robot got the penalties (three technicals) for damaging contact inside the bumper perimeter. It was one of the most ridiculous calls I have seen at a FIRST event. And yes, we let the head referee know how we felt at the time. Since the outcome would not have changed due to the penalties, we decided to not bring out the rule book. I will definitely have some questions for the ref crew at MSC during the driver's meeting.

So, is there any video footage of the good West Michigan teams in action? I haven't seen good West Michigan robot action since the videos of 1918 and 85 in week 1. Granted I haven't looked very hard. But I'd love some to watch some videos of 85, 107, 141, 1918, 2054, 2474, 2767, 3234, 3357, 4003, and all the other West Michigan teams!

Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (with 12 matches per team, using the FIRST match generator). I used each team's highest adjusted opr at any event for their contribution to a match, based on Ed Law's data. I calculated the results for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Since the standings are much more complicated this year, I did not try to calculate the standings. This is only the contribution of w-l-t to the qualification score (eg 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, no points for a loss).

Everyone should attend Karthik's presentation where he covers "Why 'OPR' is a flawed indicator in Rebound Rumble".

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        OPR        Average        Median        Mode        Min        Max        StDev

67        39.33        21.75        22        22        16        24        1.86

469        36.28        21.01        21.5        22        16        24        2.09

2474        34.73        20.71        21        22        16        24        2.02

548        33.12        19.74        20        20        12        24        2.39

3322        28.87        17.895        18        18        10        24        2.81

27        28.44        17.875        18        18        11        24        2.79

217        28.12        17.55        18        18        10        24        2.58

1023        27.54        17.555        18        18        10        24        2.76

1918        25.76        16.58        16.5        18        8        22        2.85

1718        25.64        16.515        16        18        10        23        2.55

3539        25.54        16.6        17        18        8        24        2.85

862        23.70        15.47        16        16        6        22        2.88

51        23.52        15.36        16        16        6        22        3.05

2337        22.40        14.565        14        14        6        21        2.85

2137        21.70        14.39        14        14        6        22        3.05

1684        20.96        13.95        14        14        6        24        3.01

2054        20.89        14.06        14        14        7        23        3.07

33        20.42        13.125        13        14        6        20        2.84

573        19.77        13.78        14        14        6        22        3.02

70        19.57        13.25        14        14        5        20        2.90

302        19.25        13.025        13        12        6        20        3.05

3234        19.14        13        13        14        6        20        2.99

123        18.45        12.095        12        12        2        20        3.01

858        18.41        12        12        12        3        20        3.08

2767        17.90        12.215        12        14        6        22        3.01

226        17.77        11.825        12        12        4        19        3.15

107        17.62        12.135        12        12        5        20        2.97

308        17.52        12.405        12        12        4        20        2.99

2834        17.24        11.755        12        12        4        22        2.95

314        17.09        11.495        12        12        4        18        2.87

2959        16.98        11.495        12        12        2        20        3.04

2000        16.36        10.74        10.5        12        4        20        3.01

245        16.08        10.98        11        10        4        17        2.86

85        15.88        11.35        12        12        2        20        3.12

3618        15.33        10.635        10        10        2        18        3.18

3546        15.13        10.545        10        12        4        18        2.98

247        15.09        10.415        10        10        4        18        2.97

830        15.06        10.355        10        12        2        20        3.16

240        15.00        10.305        10        10        4        18        2.87

3568        14.65        10.47        10        10        4        18        3.06

904        14.58        10.45        10        10        2        18        2.85

2851        14.37        9.92        10        10        2        18        2.88

3098        13.81        10.16        10        10        2        18        3.06

1025        13.78        9.855        10        10        4        20        2.83

3572        13.45        9.715        10        10        2        18        3.00

2591        12.94        9.365        10        10        0        18        2.93

201        12.85        9.13        10        10        1        18        3.29

4294        12.03        9.01        9        10        2        16        2.92

66        11.62        8.94        9        10        0        17        2.87

1504        11.56        9.115        9        8        2        18        2.73

494        11.16        8.455        8        8        2        14        2.62

503        11.11        8.3        8        8        0        15        2.67

3601        10.46        7.815        8        8        0        16        2.82

4003        10.14        7.365        7        6        0        16        2.78

141        9.09        7.72        8        8        2        14        2.99

3538        7.99        6.945        7        8        0        16        2.95

3537        7.91        6.91        6        6        0        14        2.71

3617        6.76        6.125        6        6        0        15        2.95

1711        6.52        6.06        6        6        0        15        2.59

3656        6.49        5.81        6        6        0        14        2.71

3509        2.37        3.865        4        2        0        12        2.41

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Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 1156818)

Our mentor with the shiny SLR camera has HQ footage of West Michigan. It focuses on BOB though so you don't see as much of the other robots.

3546 has some footage of their alliance in the finals match 2 and 3.

Team 3546 channel containing Final Match 2 & 3
http://www.youtube.com/user/GHteam3546

Team 85 Playlist of West Michigan Videos
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...2&feature=plcp

Field appears to be set.

Variations from Ed's list of 64 qualifiers:
No 3357
No 703
Add 2586
Add 904

Just a heads up to everyone attending MSC!

There will be a Non-Engineering Mentors Organization (NEMO) Gathering after Opening Ceremonies on Saturday!
This gathering is for any mentors who handle any of the Non-Engineering tasks that are needed to manage FIRST teams.
This can be anything that does not have to do with robot design and build: like Awards submissions, business plans, sponsorship and fundraising, chaperoning, planning trips, organizing food and calendars...etc.

We will network and share information to help improve our teams as well as FiM and FIRST overall.

If your team is attending MSC, please send a representative to this meeting. It will be a great way to find out about non-Engineering resources from each other.

My goal is to have everyone leave with at least 3 new contacts/friends!

(I will not be passing out fliers to advertise this :eek: , so please spread the news by word of mouth!)

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Originally Posted by Carolyn_Grace (Post 1156940)

If your team is attending MSC, please send a representative to this meeting.

What if our team is not attending MSC but we will be there as spectators? Can we still attend? Just out of curiosity.