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Re: Divisions 2012

If the #1, #2 and #24 from each division pair up the OPR's added together are:
Arch Curie Gal Newton
100.4 96.9 86.7 111.2

Re: Divisions 2012

Newton looks like the "best division" overall, but the CMP winner will probably bubble out of Archimedes.

Re: Divisions 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Ore (Post 1159587)

Divisions sorted by OPR from Ed Law's database.

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Arch                Curie                Galileo        Newton        

Team        OPR        Team    OPR        Team        OPR        Team        OPR

67        42.0        987        39.7        25        34.0        469        47.2

1114        39.0        341        38.6        180        33.5        1717        44.0

359        37.1        624        35.1        16        31.6        548        37.3

2056        35.3        3098        32.3        2169        30.1        1983        35.7

1218        32.3        971        29.8        33        29.5        330        33.4

973        29.3        1507        29.8        2054        27.8        2122        30.6

2826        29.0        2474        25.9        103        26.3        842        30.5

2590        27.7        1986        25.8        148        25.5        111        28.8

1676        27.4        51        24.8        1323        25.4        1629        27.7

195        27.0        233        24.7        48        24.1        1023        27.2

1796        26.2        836        24.2        399        23.9        488        26.3

2996        25.5        254        24.2        801        23.8        1540        26.1

2415        24.8        3205        23.9        2337        23.0        1662        24.6

245        24.8        1477        23.1        1538        22.9        340        24.6

3968        24.4        1985        22.7        8        22.7        175        24.4

1311        24.1        525        22.6        573        22.6        3018        24.4

75        23.6        1678        20.4        2928        22.3        118        24.2

2046        23.4        1741        20.4        1918        22.0        2067        24.0

716        23.0        78        20.2        1732        21.4        610        23.7

126        21.6        3288        19.9        772        20.8        365        23.3

272        20.8        2960        19.7        358        20.7        4294        22.0

2614        20.4        3528        19.3        1714        20.1        2834        20.9

1868        20.0        694        19.1        2016        19.5        1635        20.0

1592        19.4        58        18.6        1208        19.2        107        20.0

1902        18.9        1511        18.4        1574        19.0        68        19.3

1756        17.9        3970        18.4        1718        18.8        79        19.3

1816        17.8        3929        17.5        3322        18.5        3930        19.2

4334        17.4        830        17.3        868        18.0        3357        18.8

2898        16.9        1828        17.2        125        18.0        181        18.8

369        16.7        1319        17.2        815        17.8        2936        18.0

1403        16.6        702        16.7        2377        17.5        11        17.9

3476        16.1        27        16.2        527        17.3        639        17.8

2949        15.5        4069        15.8        744        17.3        3245        17.3

781        15.1        2180        15.8        1671        17.2        329        17.1

3997        14.6        3940        14.6        1350        17.2        3630        16.9

4256        14.0        1690        13.5        2220        17.0        222        16.8

1261        14.0        1391        13.0        2439        16.8        2471        16.8

2557        14.0        1764        12.8        3196        16.3        1519        16.7

3947        13.9        1912        12.8        237        15.4        816        16.6

839        13.8        244        12.7        2486        15.4        115        16.5

2512        13.6        1501        12.5        263        15.2        1241        16.0

1736        13.4        2522        12.4        342        15.0        3310        15.9

1504        13.0        461        12.4        533        14.0        2062        15.3

3008        12.9        503        12.3        1108        13.9        191        15.2

587        12.8        2881        12.0        3103        13.8        3230        15.0

247        12.7        537        11.9        2090        13.7        2468        14.9

1987        12.5        2626        11.9        2642        13.6        2640        13.3

1647        11.7        3419        11.1        269        13.3        4089        13.1

2022        11.5        3965        10.8        231        13.2        4055        12.8

128        10.1        116        10.6        1747        11.4        555        11.6

100        10.0        1885        10.2        3574        11.3        714        11.1

2638        9.9        1683        10.2        4159        10.8        4086        11.1

2603        9.8        4161        10.1        4083        10.4        1640        10.6

4001        9.7        3880        10.0        1305        10.3        840        10.5

3747        9.2        604        9.9        1011        10.1        360        10.3

3481        8.7        1143        9.7        1038        9.9        271        10.1

1642        8.5        1266        9.7        4057        9.9        3990        10.1

1458        8.4        192        9.7        69        9.5        2194        9.8

4143        8.3        3951        9.5        384        9.2        1622        9.7

1306        8.3        279        9.5        4146        9.2        2705        9.4

20        8.0        85        9.5        2341        8.2        1772        9.4

3456        7.8        706        9.4        1425        8.0        435        9.1

234        7.8        207        8.9        1515        7.6        4183        8.8

1014        7.6        2164        8.8        4099        7.5        1219        8.5

3335        7.4        2591        8.7        3931        7.3        4122        8.4

2974        7.2        2914        8.1        492        6.9        3937        8.3

1        7.1        3936        7.9        766        6.4        1209        8.2

4356        7.1        288        7.9        1583        6.3        3504        8.2

3015        6.6        4265        7.4        870        5.8        86        8.1

190        6.4        2130        7.1        3784        5.7        3627        7.7

2403        6.3        2102        7.0        3189        5.3        1937        7.5

236        6.2        4226        6.8        1831        5.1        375        7.5

2815        5.6        1817        6.7        168        5.1        45        7.4

1875        5.6        3711        6.6        4031        4.9        41        6.9

692        4.9        433        6.2        1262        4.9        1506        6.9

1710        4.8        4269        6.0        4028        4.8        1111        6.5

144        4.7        3950        5.8        4394        4.5        378        6.2

2085        4.5        3847        5.2        771        4.4        4320        6.2

4403        4.4        597        5.2        3453        4.3        2200        5.8

2410        4.4        120        5.1        296        4.1        4021        5.7

4300        4.2        415        5.1        3259        3.8        3255        5.6

3410        4.1        293        4.6        4353        3.3        3566        5.5

3158        4.1        932        4.4        1212        3.1        2460        5.3

1058        3.8        571        4.4        3173        2.8        1126        5.0

1018        3.4        2844        4.3        568        2.4        1329        4.9

4218        2.9        4253        4.1        3142        2.4        4043        4.6

3081        2.8        564        4.1        4090        2.4        3083        4.4

2648        2.7        3807        3.8        4372        1.9        4188        3.9

246        2.6        3132        3.4        3981        1.7        4228        3.8

3999        2.2        1649        3.3        2339        1.6        3176        3.1

956        2.0        4130        3.0        2010        1.4        2574        2.9

2809        1.9        1778        2.9        281        1.2        457        1.7

2395        1.7        2500        2.2        585        1.1        2517        1.3

4206        1.5        4203        2.0        3530        0.1        4379        1.2

4082        0.4        3115        1.9        2158        -0.7        2059        1.2

3585        -0.5        178        0.5        151        -0.9        2902        0.8

3128        -1.4        3860        -1.0        2704        -1.0        611        -0.1

3927        -2.7        1033        -2.3        4013        -1.1        3512        -1.1

3634        -4.0        2757        -3.2        3925        -1.2        4262        -1.9

                3941        -3.3        1382        -2.8

Now with code tags...

Galileo looks fun. Can't wait.

Re: Divisions 2012

From just the look at who's in which division, this is the most balanced CMP I have witnessed in a long time. If the superstars can't lock up the #1 seeds, expect a lot of parody.

Re: Divisions 2012

In my opinion, Newton is the division to beat.

111 and 118 bring a lot of competition and Einstein experience. These teams have been through the trials before. They'll be very anxious to make it back, especially with Wildstang looking to defend their championship. 111 is a three time world champion (03,09,11), tying them with HOT for the second most wins. 111 has built another dangerous machine this year, with astounding accuracy. As impressive as ever, 111 looks to add their names to the short list of back-to-back world champions. 118 has had some of the most progression out of all teams this year. Their pre-season video has people clamoring, but their performance at Alamo and Connecticut, although very impressive, left much to be desired. At Lone Star, 118 was noticeably more dominant, with better hybrid and shooting than we'd seen from them before. With a win to cap off their regional reason, will 118, one of Texas' proud and most legendary teams, be able to continue to heat up the field even more? Endeavor will definitely live up to it's legendary name.

45 and 191 are two of the original teams. Both teams experienced some great success this season, and though 191 hasn't been able to grab the gold on Einstein in the past, they've seen it all in 21 years. After being the first pick at Finger Lakes and winning it all, they have an idea of what they'll have to do to be a competitive force on Newton. 45, a former world champion, will also bring the heat on Newton. They won at Queen City, they'll look to carry that success over at champs. If the X-Cats and TechnoKats can pick their shots carefully, they will both be forces to reckon with.

365 and 1640 were huge in the MAR District. MOE has built a great machine, and if they can improve on where they were at MAR Champs, they'll turn some heads. 1640 has had a lot of opportunities to learn this season: Twice have they teams with 341. Once to win a district event, once to win the whole MAR Championship. 1640 isn't the strongest robot around on their own, but they have had a lot of experience winning this season, and even without Daisy at their backs, they'll be able to carry that in to Newton.

548 and 469 competed against each other in the finals at MSC. That alone gives these teams huge credentials. 548 is being regarded as one of the best fender bots in the world right now, but their accuracy from the key can't be questioned either. Whether it's up close or from afar, 548 can put balls in baskets very well. 469 has had an amazing season so far, racking up wins at Detroit, Troy and Waterford, and capping it all off with state championship. At MSC, 469 became the only team whose Teleop Points exceeded 400, and their shooting reflects it. 469 just missed Einstein last year, after were Championship finalists in 2010. 469 knows how to win. They can do it. And with the right partners, they may just succeed.

On the topic of Michigan, 1023 had a great few days at MSC. Winners at Detroit and Livonia, 1023 has been a force to be reckoned with all season. A very strong teleop and hybrid scorer, The Bedford Express adds another strong name to the list of great Michigan teams to Newton. 1023 will make a great addition to any alliance that's lucky enough to snag them (that is, unless they're making the alliance themselves).

330 and 1717 bring a strong west-coast presence to Newton this year. After winning Central Valley, where they both looked exceptionally strong, both of these teams are strong contenders. 330 is one of the most legendary California teams of all time (perhaps only behind 254). They've earned it. World Champs in 2005 and an Einstein appearance in 2007 means 330 can succeed on the big field. 1717 has yet to make it to Einstein. Several division final finishes, but never to the big stage. After dominating at CVR, my money is on 1717 to make it to Einstein. Their swerve is of legend, and their shooting this year makes me go out on a limb and say 1717 has the best programming in FIRST right now. If 1717 can get their hands on the balls, they are going in. If they can find a partner to feed them well, 1717 may break records.

610 should be no stranger to a lot of people this season. They were surrounded by controversy earlier this year, but you can't deny that 610 has a great robot. They found some success in Canada this year, but took Arizona by storm, winning the event. 610 consistently build great robots, and almost made it to Einstein last year with 469. They may not be the most famous or dominant on Newton, but 610 can play smart, and will do just that.

1241 and 340 both competed at Buckeye. 1241 has competed prior at GTR East and West, winning a few awards and both, and qualifying for champs with a chairman's win at West. They haven't found as much success in competition as I thought they would, but 1241 has a solid robot, and if they can improve for championships, they'll be a solid force in qualifications and eliminations. 340 is a special team this year. They are triple qualified for championships, with a Chairman's Win at Finger Lakes (making it their 5th in a row, I believe), and with a win and Engineering Inspiration award at Buckeye. They're a dumper bot, but don't count them out. They're an almost guaranteed 10 points in autonomous, and a great teleop player. "Add Team 340 to #TeamStinger" and you've got a very dangerous player. Don't underestimate this fender bot.

Sorry for the long post. I was feeling rather Looking Forward-ish. And sorry if I missed anyone. These were just the teams that stuck out to me. I'm also sorry if I happened to have gotten any facts wrong. I'm definitely NOT Looking Forward, so my info may be faulty. Apologies in advance.

Newton looks REALLY tough.

Re: Divisions 2012

I guess one thing I can see hindering Archimedes over Newton is the sheer number of long bots that will make triple balancing difficult. I can't see three long robots pulling it off, and I think it will be necessary by the time you get to the semis.

Is that crazy?

Re: Divisions 2012

I see the Championship is at 398 teams. Unless I am missing something, FIRST could raise it to 408 (102 per division) and not cause any additional qualifying matches. This would allow 10 additional teams to compete with no penalty to schedule.

Mr. Bill

Re: Divisions 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1159659)

Are you saying Archimedes has too many long bots? Keep in mind that 1114 and 2056 can triple balance while hanging off the edge, and 2826 now has similar capability. I see something like 67 + 2056 winning Archimedes. And if anybody wants to beat an alliance like that on Einstein, they better be prepared to score 70+ and then triple balance.

I don't know which robots have developed new triple balancing capabilities, but I think Archimedes looks like it has the best bet to create one or two really high scoring, triple balancing alliances. I would LOVE to watch all four of the teams I mentioned face off in the division finals. And yes, there are plenty of other good teams apart from them, as has been duly pointed out earlier.

Re: Divisions 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Beatty (Post 1159677)

I'm not sure I follow.

The 100 team divisions will play 150 matches (100 teams * 9 rounds / 6 teams/round) with no surrogates.

The 99 team divisions will play 149 matches (100 teams * 9 rounds / 6 teams/round) with 3 surrogates.

This suggests that adding two (2) teams, total, would result in every division playing 150 qualifying rounds to meet the stated goal of 9 rounds for each team. Adding any more would add additional qualifying matches.

Re: Divisions 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1159684)

Actually adding 2 teams to each division to make each have 102(2 divisions right now have 99 and 2 have 100) would give a total of 153 matches per division. Giving each match a 6 minute cycle(load-in, match, load-out) would take just over 15 hours, which would be cutting it real close on keeping it within the 3 day timeframe.

Re: Divisions 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1159659)

Number of teams that have done a triple balance:

Archimedes 13
Curie 12
Galileo 21
Newton 15

Re: Divisions 2012

Archimedes is my predicted to win.

they have 67 1114 2056 359 1218 973 and even more......

It seems like the toughest division to win. The 1114 and 2056 powerhouse couple seems like it could get broken up again this year.

Re: Divisions 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Ore (Post 1159691)

Number of teams that have done a triple balance:

Archimedes 13
Curie 12
Galileo 21
Newton 15

Mind listing these?

Re: Divisions 2012

Georgia representing over in Archimedes!

1311, 2415, and 1261!

Re: Divisions 2012

Galileo looks like its gonna be fun :D

Attached are the rankings I have for Galileo. This is in order from highest OPR to Lowest OPR. My source of numbers come from 2834's scouting data base.

EDIT:

As for Archimedes I'm predicting a Canadian Domination this year ;) Im guessing 1114 gets 1st seed, and picks 2056 and 1 other Canadian team (possible 781, 4001 (2056's first pick in GTR West), 2809, 4334)