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Galileo has a lot of awesome teams. I'm ready to rumble!

I personally can't wait to see 16, 33, 125, 148, 399, 772, 1538, 1718, 1918, 2016, 2054 and 3322. That's who I recognize off the list. EDIT: Sorry 25.

GALI-

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-LEO!!!

This is going to be awesome!!!!!

Team List:
8
16
25
33
48
69
103
125
148
151
168
180
231
237
263
269
281
296
342
358
384
399
492
527
533
568
573
585
744
766
771
772
801
815
868
870
1011
1038
1108
1208
1212
1262
1305
1323
1350
1382
1425
1515
1538
1574
1583
1671
1714
1718
1732
1747
1831
1918
2010
2016
2054
2090
2158
2169
2220
2337
2339
2341
2377
2439
2486
2642
2704
2928
3103
3142
3173
3189
3196
3259
3322
3453
3530
3574
3784
3925
3931
3981
4013
4028
4031
4057
4083
4090
4099
4146
4159
4353
4372
4394

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Wow! This is going to be crazy! Let the madness begin!!

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Indeed... We have AMAZING teams on the Galileo Division :D and team 3574 High Tekerz are MORE than ready to Rumble!!! let the competition begin ;)

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I bought Galileo a present this year. I expect it to be used well.

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48 is Looking Forward to competing on Galileo. Let's get it started!

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If anyone is curious, the most recent adjusted OPRs for Galileo teams can be found below. It includes data from the Michigan State Championship and the MAR Championship. Thank to Dr. Ed Law for his spreadsheet.

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25        34.01835668

180        33.53258167

16        31.63568795

2169        30.09796564

33        29.53697742

2054        27.83582106

103        26.29856578

148        25.52839296

1323        25.37738139

48        24.0644281

399        23.94705118

801        23.80215717

2337        22.98782257

1538        22.88438007

8        22.6905644

573        22.61957111

2928        22.27432775

1918        21.96680907

1732        21.37707397

772        20.78435916

358        20.7026688

1714        20.08250726

2016        19.46045702

1208        19.20437877

1574        19.03310296

1718        18.84096014

3322        18.50325877

868        18.04300801

125        18.00781116

815        17.76558302

2377        17.46203514

527        17.28741811

744        17.25721302

1671        17.18671497

1350        17.15076221

2220        16.9755548

2439        16.77235012

3196        16.29215542

237        15.44232938

2486        15.41232997

263        15.16757429

342        15.01056302

533        13.95907735

1108        13.89120921

3103        13.78582647

2090        13.70419189

2642        13.56768787

269        13.28123462

231        13.21243502

1747        11.36147989

3574        11.32700674

4159        10.75054768

4083        10.39012172

1305        10.31848753

1011        10.12623431

1038        9.913898626

4057        9.906829859

69        9.482127496

384        9.240298905

4146        9.225804207

2341        8.187578249

1425        7.954238887

1515        7.642733138

4099        7.498593416

3931        7.270169705

492        6.863190989

766        6.379473715

1583        6.25096829

870        5.829780608

3784        5.7147141

3189        5.31472477

1831        5.122010257

168        5.095100738

4031        4.911816277

1262        4.887592386

4028        4.757231684

4394        4.538588093

771        4.351602374

3453        4.340652973

296        4.113440402

3259        3.82576858

4353        3.25752905

1212        3.071399107

3173        2.765432939

568        2.436532952

3142        2.397633684

4090        2.362808697

4372        1.876178136

3981        1.689270098

2339        1.624292619

2010        1.358365648

281        1.21632839

585        1.127491393

3530        0.077956785

2158        -0.715532712

151        -0.880652585

2704        -1.01546634

4013        -1.141049038

3925        -1.157958013

1382        -2.776364895

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I've been to 10 Championships previously, this is the first time I will be competing on Galileo. 125 is excited and looking forward to next week!

-Brando

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Guys great news! We are 281 and the past 2-3 times we've gone to Champions we have had at least one team with a pit near us win the whole thing. Galileo is producing the champs this year!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Basel A (Post 1159647)

If anyone is curious, the most recent adjusted OPRs for Galileo teams can be found here. Yes, I know OPR isn't a good indicator of team quality across events (maybe that's why I'm publicising it). It includes data from the Michigan State Championship and the MAR Championship. Thank to Dr. Ed Law for his spreadsheet.

Wow that's cool! I need to go on a CD hiatus... I'm way to excited for championship now! Haha

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Originally Posted by Jessica Boucher (Post 1159618)

I bought Galileo a present this year. I expect it to be used well.

Is it magic hat and in n out burger? Lucky Galileo...

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It doesn't have anything to do with the Manchester Acupuncture Studio does it?

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Second year in a row on Galileo? I'm alright with that. And the competition looks like it'll be pretty evenly matched, too! Next week in St. Louis!

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Team 2486 is super pumped about our division! Especially to see some farmiliar faces from AZ like Crush(1011), 1212, and our Finalist Alliance partners The Sabercats(4146)!!!!

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Im really excited now!!!! Looks like we have the most robots who have previously balances! (21)

We can triple balance but never have don eit in competition. We discovered the other day we can hang an incredible 17 inches off the edge of the bridge! (not including bumpers). Our shooter is being improved for a quicker speed up time and we are ready to sit under that fender all day long and then if we get defended against just go back to the key. :D

Anyone feel free to stop buy our pits and take a look at our robot :) we'll be glad to show you everything on it and how we got to that design.

Unveil Video

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Yet again the organization of the teams into divisions is impeccable. They really are good at that. Of course, we all want to be on the winning team (Duh!) But the question is, who do we think will come out on top? There are a lot of perpetual good teams in each division, but I'd like to think that some team will pull up out of nowhere and take the division. 25 was missing from the quick list at the top and they had downright amazing performance at Mid-Atlantic Regional on week 7. Naturally, your guess is as good as mine when it comes to winners at the Championships. Any opinions on the matter would be nice, I just want a "heated" discussion.

Good luck from Team 1918. (I think. We're not a one man team.) ;)

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Originally Posted by J_Miles (Post 1159683)

Second year in a row on Galileo? I'm alright with that. And the competition looks like it'll be pretty evenly matched, too! Next week in St. Louis!

Team 384 has only ever been put Galileo. :) It'll be a fun competition, looks like there will be some competition!

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Originally Posted by Jessica Boucher (Post 1159618)

I bought Galileo a present this year. I expect it to be used well.

It's a massive clipboard to whack Billfred with.

P.S., looking forward to inspecting some awesome robots!

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I dont have data to back it up, but from my brief observation of the divisions it seems like Galileo will be hard pressed to claim Einstein.
I wouldnt put much into that prediction though, as i have simply been skimming the division lists

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Second year in a row on Galileo! And with our awesome winning alliance partners 2928!! GALILEO FIGHTING!!

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Can't wait for this year! Fantastic Galileo Line-Up this year! I look forward to scouting out the teams next week! Should be a blast! Best of luck to all teams this year!

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Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1159762)

I'm very curious to see what alliance will come out of this division, with its very solid middle tier. We have some multiple event winners here such as 16, 25, 48, and 148, but only one of those has won every event they went to. Good job Bomb Squad! But we have to worry about the great teams like 67, 341, 469, 987, 1114, 1717, and 2056 who will be across the field from us on Einstein, and who really seemed to mop up the events they attended.

Bomb Squad looks like a favorite in this division; perhaps they'll team up with the Robowranglers like they did at two of their regionals :eek: or maybe they'll team up with the 25, the first pick and champion of MAR. But there is just such a strong middle tier, including a ton of Michigan teams that qualified from the State Championship, that the eventual winners of this division are very hard to predict. With 100 teams per division, there will certainly be amazing machines that do not make eliminations. And we have by far the most teams that have triple balanced in the past - I really think this division is going to be a Loch Ness fest in elims. Good luck to all teams, and I can't wait to see how this division unfolds!!

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Nice... I am soo excited to be sharing the field with 148 among all the other teams... It will be good though to be around them. Brings back some good memories from back in Dallas.

I think there is a lot of good teams that might be underrated in this division should be a blast though to see this play out. Btw, as far as alliances go there a few close teams here, I could very well see a 16-148 reunion from earlier in the year and a 103-25 union with alot of history. Also a michigan alliance of something like any 2 of 33-2054-1918 could be good too.

There are a lot of good teams in the division that are familiar with each other to some extent.

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Can't wait to compete with/against 16, 25, 148 at champs again! Also can't wait to see 33. Galileo will be a lot of fun.

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Now that the sorting hat has put us all into our divisions, this looks like this will be a fun competition. Although Archimedes seems to be a bit stacked, all divisions have excellent robots. Team 180 is ready to bring its all, and compete for the honor to represent Galileo on Einstein field. To 168, 744, 801, and 4013, we are all going to be travelling a long way from home, but lets show everyone what us Florida teams have to offer. Good luck to everyone, and have fun!

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Surprised 2169 isn't getting mentioned. Two regional wins, and highest teleop score in both regionals.

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Originally Posted by gyroscopeRaptor (Post 1159847)

Surprised 2169 isn't getting mentioned. Two regional wins, and highest teleop score in both regionals.

Can't wait to see them play! But I thought they only had one regional win (and a finalist).

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Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 1159853)

Can't wait to see them play! But I thought they only had one regional win (and a finalist).

They played well enough to win in Wisconsin but a team called 2826 happened. I think we had a bit to do with that as well...but perhaps only a little bit. ;)

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While both 48 and 2826 are amazing shooters I think that 269 made the biggest difference in those final matches, we were starved on ammo and they really filled up your side of the field.

Glad to see we are in the same division by the way, hope we get a chance to play together!

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Originally Posted by ProgramLuke (Post 1159857)

While both 48 and 2826 are amazing shooters I think that 269 made the biggest difference in those final matches, we were starved on ammo and they really filled up your side of the field.

That was the plan! Oh, look, they're on Galileo too. ;)

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Glad to see we are in the same division by the way, hope we get a chance to play together!

I would be all in favor of that. Hope to visit you guys in the pits. Good luck to you and your team - see you soon!

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I was kinda hoping we finish what we started in Queen City.

Looking forward to next week. Our first trip to St. Louis and we left Queen City with a much better robot. If anyone needs anything while out there, stop by 1038's pit and we can help.

Good Luck all!!

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I Love this division already! No body has a Clue of who will win. I know theirs those teams that are gonna be up there, but there is so many great robots every alliance in the Elimination Rounds will have to work EXTREMELY hard to keep winning. WE CANT WAIT TO GET THERE!!!!!

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Can't wait for the games to begin. Also we would like to thank 341 for letting us copy your stinger. See you Thursday.

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2158 will be on Galileo for our 2nd CMP appearance, our team is very excited and ready to go!! For our first CMP appearance we were on Galileo back in '07 as rookie all stars now we are back as a chairmans team!

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Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 1160008)

Can't wait for the games to begin. Also we would like to thank 341 for letting us copy your stinger. See you Thursday.

We wish you all the best at Champs!

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Originally Posted by nuggetsyl (Post 1160008)

Can't wait for the games to begin. Also we would like to thank 341 for letting us copy your stinger. See you Thursday.

Good luck guys!

We'll be rooting for you from Curie.

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Please help out with a Wide / Long list. This would be very helpful info for scouts to have before competition even begins. I've already filled in the teams that I know and will add information as posted.

Team List:
8 - long
16 - swerve
25 - long - stinger
33 - wide - stinger
48 - long - stinger
69 - - mec
103 - long
125 - long
148 - wide - stinger
151
168
180 - wide
231 - long
237 - wide
263 - wide
269
281 - long - mec
296
342 - - mec
358 - wide
384 - long
399 - wide
492
527 - wide
533
568
573 - long
585
744 -long
766
771
772 - long
801 - wide
815 - wide
868 - square
870
1011
1038
1108
1208 - wide
1212
1262
1305
1323 - long
1350 - wide
1382
1425
1515 - long(30")
1538 - long
1574 - long
1583
1671 - wide
1714 - wide
1718 - wide - brakes
1732 - wide
1747
1831
1918 - wide - kickstand
2010
2016 - wide
2054 - long - stinger
2090
2158
2169 - wide
2220 - long
2337 - long - stinger
2339
2341
2377 - wide
2439 - long
2486 - long
2642
2704
2928 - long
3103
3142
3173
3189
3196 - wide
3259 - wide - stinger
3322 - wide - stinger
3453
3530
3574
3784
3925
3931
3981
4013
4028
4031
4057
4083
4090
4099
4146
4159 - wide
4353
4372
4394

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This is what our scouters got so far:

8 Long
16 Long
25 Long
33 Wide
48 Long
103 Long
125 Long
148 Wide
180 Wide
237 Long
358 Wide
399 Wide
527 Wide
573 Long
744 Long
772 Long
801 Wide
815 Long
868 Long
1208 Wide
1323 Long
1350 Wide
1538 Long
1574 Long
1671 Wide
1714 Wide
1718 Wide
1732 Wide
1918 Wide
2016 Wide
2054 Long
2169 Wide
2220 Long
2337 Long
2377 Wide
2439 Long
2486 Long
2928 Long
3196 Wide
3322 Wide

Hope it helps.

-Clinton-

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Originally Posted by Clinton Bolinger (Post 1160060)

This is what our scouters got so far:

8 Long
16 Long
25 Long
33 Wide
48 Long
103 Long
125 Long
148 Wide
180 Wide
237 Long
358 Wide
399 Wide
527 Wide
573 Long
744 Long
772 Long
801 Wide
815 Long
868 Long
1208 Wide
1323 Long
1350 Wide
1538 Long
1574 Long
1671 Wide
1714 Wide
1718 Wide
1732 Wide
1918 Wide
2016 Wide
2054 Long
2169 Long
2220 Long
2337 Long
2377 Wide
2439 Long
2486 Long
2928 Long
3196 Wide
3322 Wide

Hope it helps.

-Clinton-

We are long but we hang off the edge by about 18 inches. the weight balance and breaking system made it easy to triple at MAR that and 341 stinger lol. Here is a pic http://www.midatlanticrobotics.com/

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Clinton, 2169 is wide and 868 is long but not the full 38 inches (I suspect they are around 28x32 or so).

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With all the talk about wide and long bots, I almost think it's better to have one long bot to triple balance with. It is way easier to balance two wides and a long bot with a dingus/stinger than it is to balance 3 wide bots using nothing but driving skill. Keeping that in mind, it would be nice to have a list of all the robots that have a triple balance assist mechanism.'

Edit: I don't know very much about what teams have have a triple balance dingus since many probably have added them at competitions, but here's a short list (of robots that I know for sure have a dingus) that people can add on to: 25, 33, 148, 2054, 2337, 3322. 1718 has brakes on their train that stop robots from sliding around on the bridge; this turned out to be very useful for triple balancing at MSC. Wow, I don't even know if fellow Michigan teams like 1918 and 573 have these devices. Please add on to this list!

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Originally Posted by Clinton Bolinger (Post 1160060)

This is what our scouters got so far:

868 Long

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Originally Posted by XaulZan11 (Post 1160068)

Clinton, 2169 is wide and 868 is long but not the full 38 inches (I suspect they are around 28x32 or so).

We technically are long, but we are only about 28X26, so nearly a square.

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Feel free to add to the list whatever you want or just say something and I'll edit it into the first list I posted. Stingers is definatly good idea to add. I only ask if you repost the list that you make it the smallest font so the thread is not over-run by giant list of numbers.:)

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1515 is long, but only 30" Long, making us take only 2" more space than a wide robot.

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FRC Team 4394 is ready to play Rebound Ruble with our "2 week dream machine"

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48 has a stinger/kickstand. Simple cylinder firing vertically down. Tested/practiced, not used (yet) in actual matches.

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Originally Posted by BJC (Post 1160051)

48 - long

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Team 4159 is a wide robot!

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3259 has a stinger (we call it a "stomper" due to its size) and we are a wide bot (we can take up as little as 25" with bumpers).

Additionally, while we are almost 60" tall, due to the design of the "stomper" we are G20 compliant (we never exceed 60"). We've practiced with it, but haven't used it in actual matches.

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Galileo looks pretty good they have good michigan teams i think 33, 573, and 2337 might have a chance. They all did pretty good at MSC!!

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573 is long, but with the overhang on the front of the robot we only need 29inches of bridge space if on the end (including bumper). We do not have a special balancing tool, but we have tripled before.

Picture : http://www.flickr.com/photos/daniele...57629560227229 - credit to Daniel Ernst

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Please note 815 should be listed as a wide bot, 37w x 27l, and with ball feeder on the front & back. We can offset the bumpers with other teams to be more compact

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Hey guys 281 is a long bot but we have mecanum wheels so we can be long and also a moving turret shooter so we can shoot long (for what it is worth) We have a bridge lowering arm that we are working on so we can put on the bot upon arrival. We look forward to competing with all of you

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Originally Posted by JABot67 (Post 1160071)

Edit: I don't know very much about what teams have have a triple balance dingus since many probably have added them at competitions, but here's a short list (of robots that I know for sure have a dingus) that people can add on to: 25, 33, 148, 2054, 2337, 3322. 1718 has brakes on their train that stop robots from sliding around on the bridge; this turned out to be very useful for triple balancing at MSC. Wow, I don't even know if fellow Michigan teams like 1918 and 573 have these devices. Please add on to this list!

We have had a kickstand on our robot since Troy, although we have triple balanced without any form of balance assist in less than 20 seconds (with 85 and 910). Our kickstand has also been tested, and we have a triple balance with it (with 4002 and 453). We *should* have some other tricks up our sleeves for next week though ;)

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69 - Mecanum
231 - Long
269 - Wide
281 - Mecanum
342 - Mecanum
384 - Long
744 - Long

Will post more tomorrow evening as I continue to go through teams/scour the internet for photos and videos of each.

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Ok, Galileo, let's fill this scouting sheet out!

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^ That's much better.. I filled in what was on the earlier list.

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I remember people who came and took pictures of our robot but where did you find these images? I'm just really curious. Haha Thanks

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Hey, we might be getting a bit cluttered here, but can we also get type of drivetrain along with the other info on each bot?

For example, 48 is 6WD (key info to know).

Optional info: 2-speed, 8" pneumatics, no center drop

*****

The difference between a 4WD wide and 6/8WD wide is not insignificant where bridge balancing is concerned.

Of course, if we'd start a Galileo pictures thread like the others, maybe a lot of that info would be self-explanatory from the pics!

EDIT - OK - the Google Doc linked in Post 56 above is awesome. We should all be editing that. Thanks!

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Just saw the video of 3322 shooting 6 balls in auto. Clever I loved it.

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Similar to what I did in previous years, I ran through 200 simulated qualification match schedules (with 9 matches per team, using the FIRST match generator).

I used each team's highest adjusted opr at any event to choose that team's "best event". Then, for that event, I used their unadjusted OPR for their contribution to a match. I also used the hybrid OPR, bridge OPR, teleop OPR to help calculate the standings. For the co-op bridge, I summed the co-op OPR for all 6 robots in the match and compared that to a threshold. When back-testing against regionals, if the threshold was chosen to be close to the number of actual co-ops at the regional, it had a relatively high correlation to the actual results on the co-op bridge. Almost all regionals had a correlation co-efficient of between 0.6 and 0.85. However, at the Michigan State Championship, the correlation coefficient was only 0.3. I believe this is because almost all of the robots there were able to balance so the balances that didn't happen weren't be cause of the robots, but because of luck. I used this method for calculating the co-ops, trying to get a co-op percent of around 60% (higher then most regionals, but lower then MSC). Overall, this isn't a very good way to do it, as it punishes teams at early regionals and regionals where teams did not co-op that much. However, it's included to help simulate the randomness of the rankings this year. All OPR data is from Ed Law's spreadsheet.

I calculated the results for each of the 200 simulated qualification schedules, and then looked at some statistics from the aggregate results.

Since the standings are much more complicated this year, and the co-op bridge is so important, and there isn't a very good way to simulate it, I looked at both the ranks, the number of qualification points, and the number of wins.

Everyone should attend Karthik's presentation at the championships where he covers "Why 'OPR' is a flawed indicator in Rebound Rumble".

The following were the values that were used in the simulation

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Team         OPR        Teleop        Hybrid        Bridge        Coop

25        30.27        16.65        7.39        6.22        0.75

180        29.14        11.70        10.57        7.34        0.88

399        28.33        15.30        3.78        8.74        0.51

2169        28.04        22.38        7.78        -2.13        0.41

16        27.43        13.09        11.47        2.94        0.84

33        26.41        18.94        4.54        2.92        0.63

2054        24.54        9.78        6.76        8.01        0.66

48        24.38        8.49        10.03        5.86        0.53

3322        24.33        12.87        7.29        4.17        0.91

103        23.48        13.07        7.00        3.36        0.56

1918        22.90        12.33        3.75        6.82        0.57

148        21.97        13.73        4.61        2.11        0.71

1323        21.52        13.61        6.42        2.01        0.77

801        20.65        14.19        4.59        2.33        0.63

1671        20.45        11.19        10.25        0.72        0.15

2337        20.19        5.89        9.74        4.56        0.56

8        19.68        6.56        4.19        8.66        0.60

573        19.58        5.50        7.81        6.27        0.61

1538        19.33        7.23        6.77        5.17        0.71

1714        19.20        12.27        5.99        0.95        1.38

2928        18.65        11.68        3.20        3.49        0.72

1718        18.23        9.75        8.23        0.28        1.48

744        18.20        10.62        7.27        0.49        0.34

1208        18.15        10.66        5.73        1.97        0.79

772        18.15        12.26        6.86        -1.03        0.53

358        17.91        5.18        4.10        8.56        0.56

1574        17.76        6.57        7.80        3.58        0.25

342        17.71        6.39        7.96        3.63        -0.04

868        16.46        10.69        5.85        -0.08        0.32

2016        16.35        6.86        6.06        3.42        0.62

1350        16.20        6.72        3.92        5.94        0.19

2377        16.20        6.51        4.75        5.36        0.25

1732        15.65        5.57        4.54        5.54        1.15

125        15.28        8.63        5.62        1.37        0.55

1425        15.10        7.05        5.54        2.50        0.48

527        14.91        1.93        6.50        6.30        0.48

3196        14.55        6.04        7.57        0.99        0.35

3103        14.31        1.41        7.99        5.29        -0.11

231        14.14        6.17        0.87        7.34        0.47

1747        14.01        3.57        5.53        4.91        0.07

2486        13.87        6.53        4.66        2.99        0.31

815        13.62        4.92        4.67        4.05        0.83

2090        13.48        5.09        6.60        1.87        0.04

533        13.29        6.67        3.83        2.75        0.13

263        13.08        5.97        7.24        -0.13        0.42

2220        12.93        1.67        6.29        5.29        0.81

269        12.79        5.09        5.70        1.99        0.10

2642        12.11        3.78        5.71        2.58        0.29

2439        11.91        3.09        4.36        4.41        0.97

237        11.90        4.87        5.70        1.56        0.71

1108        11.85        3.18        6.82        2.09        0.41

2341        11.54        4.62        1.08        5.97        -0.14

4159        10.67        1.38        5.00        4.75        0.02

4146        10.39        3.44        4.63        3.09        -0.23

4057        10.31        2.31        -2.33        10.33        -0.08

281        9.93        1.93        5.31        2.88        -0.04

69        9.71        4.54        -1.04        5.85        -0.05

1038        8.68        3.09        1.46        3.83        0.25

1011        8.46        6.59        2.80        -0.51        0.33

3453        8.28        2.97        3.88        2.74        -0.12

4099        8.22        1.90        1.58        5.17        -0.14

1305        7.96        0.64        4.37        3.94        0.47

4083        7.91        1.78        0.95        5.54        0.50

3574        7.69        0.22        4.18        2.69        0.73

492        7.47        0.69        4.51        2.30        -0.12

384        7.26        3.04        5.33        -0.70        0.40

3931        6.89        0.84        5.16        0.88        0.08

766        6.80        0.90        1.45        3.69        0.05

1515        6.41        1.38        1.61        3.48        0.25

4031        5.91        1.97        0.41        3.53        -0.20

870        5.18        -2.07        -1.63        9.35        0.35

168        5.07        2.88        0.76        1.11        0.00

1831        4.85        3.89        -0.33        1.22        0.05

3142        4.68        1.04        2.34        1.26        0.53

3784        4.60        2.37        2.40        -0.17        0.22

1583        4.60        1.67        1.87        1.23        0.33

3189        4.47        1.52        1.27        2.64        0.65

771        4.41        1.33        0.77        -0.23        -0.01

1262        4.05        -0.47        3.12        1.21        0.17

3173        3.87        4.29        0.55        -0.69        -0.22

4013        3.81        1.93        -0.76        2.87        0.14

4394        3.57        -0.83        2.19        2.26        0.19

4028        3.36        1.25        1.52        0.60        0.28

296        3.21        0.41        -0.40        3.23        0.18

1212        3.10        2.08        -0.32        1.92        -0.01

4090        3.01        3.96        -0.51        -0.33        -0.13

568        2.28        -0.03        -2.01        4.34        0.03

3981        1.78        2.01        -1.67        1.46        -0.02

4372        1.49        -0.55        0.62        1.43        0.08

4353        1.42        2.65        -0.28        0.11        0.37

3530        1.05        -1.56        0.77        1.85        -0.19

585        1.03        4.19        -1.78        -0.97        0.02

3259        0.83        -0.22        -0.57        1.58        0.60

2704        0.16        1.93        -1.32        -0.49        -0.24

2010        0.02        -2.13        2.36        -0.05        0.27

2339        -0.08        0.05        -2.04        1.52        0.34

3925        -0.50        -0.56        0.34        -0.36        -0.13

2158        -0.55        0.80        -0.56        -0.67        -0.03

151        -1.15        -0.19        0.54        -1.64        0.05

1382        -3.74        -5.07        1.77        -0.15        0.19

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        avg        med        mode        min        max        stdev        top8        #1

25        9.24        7        3        1        39        7.68        115        13

180        6.95        4        1        1        31        6.84        137        42

399        19.09        18        19        1        62        11.20        35        3

2169        17.19        15        12        1        74        12.05        47        3

16        8.91        6        1        1        42        8.16        118        31

33        17.12        15        2        1        60        12.29        63        5

2054        14.28        12        6        1        45        10.47        78        10

48        21.94        20        15        1        73        13.76        34        4

3322        10.66        7        6        1        52        9.74        111        18

103        21.16        19        10        1        66        13.24        37        3

1918        23.98        22        12        1        74        14.28        27        1

148        18.77        17        4        1        60        12.69        51        2

1323        16.15        14        7        1        56        10.96        59        6

801        23.28        21.5        24        1        63        13.36        27        2

1671        36.41        36        39        4        91        17.30        6        0

2337        22.65        20        12        1        81        15.08        38        5

8        27.46        26        19        1        84        15.07        19        1

573        21.68        19        11        1        66        14.36        38        1

1538        22.17        21        24        1        75        14.08        32        2

1714        11.96        11        8        1        46        8.82        86        10

2928        22.89        20        20        1        69        13.85        28        1

1718        9.23        7        1        1        53        8.35        117        27

744        38.23        38        38        2        92        18.06        8        0

1208        22.43        21        8        1        69        14.91        44        4

772        27.33        25        29        1        74        16.69        24        1

358        30.08        29        21        2        81        15.59        13        0

1574        38.27        38        29        3        92        18.24        6        0

342        49.95        49        39        5        98        17.55        1        0

868        39.82        38        42        2        86        16.65        2        0

2016        28.79        26        30        1        77        16.34        20        2

1350        46.97        47        25        4        90        19.46        5        0

2377        42.73        42        43        7        99        16.99        1        0

1732        18.41        17        3        1        57        12.57        52        2

125        33.31        30        19        2        83        17.32        11        0

1425        33.48        33        32        5        77        15.89        9        0

527        36.69        36        19        2        82        16.98        6        0

3196        39.17        38.5        39        2        85        17.69        5        0

3103        60.37        62        72        16        97        18.82        0        0

231        39.89        38.5        39        4        87        16.96        5        0

1747        55.95        55.5        49        6        100        18.38        1        0

2486        44.46        44.5        49        3        91        18.11        5        0

815        28.84        27        22        2        68        14.92        15        0

2090        56.98        54        40        14        96        18.27        0        0

533        56.31        56        50        11        99        17.59        0        0

263        43.02        41        41        6        94        17.74        5        0

2220        28.96        28        29        2        77        16.66        19        0

269        54.32        54        60        8        98        19.70        1        0

2642        46.67        47        40        5        92        18.54        1        0

2439        26.46        25        18        2        74        14.51        20        0

237        32.01        29.5        21        1        79        16.50        10        1

1108        41.89        41        55        4        92        18.25        3        0

2341        70.73        72        67        32        100        16.90        0        0

4159        61.21        60        60        19        99        18.41        0        0

4146        72.05        74        71        12        100        18.00        0        0

4057        73.46        75        62        23        100        17.15        0        0

281        66.59        68        89        11        100        19.08        0        0

69        69.06        69        70        18        100        17.31        0        0

1038        59.58        60        75        18        96        19.66        0        0

1011        55.47        55        51        8        96        18.07        1        0

3453        73.08        76        78        25        100        16.14        0        0

4099        76.64        79        84        23        100        16.51        0        0

1305        50.91        50        50        9        92        17.18        0        0

4083        52.95        53.5        69        10        98        18.58        0        0

3574        40.70        38        36        7        88        16.60        1        0

492        77.50        81        88        20        100        16.04        0        0

384        54.69        55        68        12        99        16.84        0        0

3931        65.98        69        83        8        99        18.92        1        0

766        73.23        75        90        27        99        16.03        0        0

1515        66.07        67.5        57        25        99        17.35        0        0

4031        82.84        86        93        37        100        14.14        0        0

870        64.44        65        61        11        100        18.91        0        0

168        75.87        77        79        33        100        15.17        0        0

1831        75.51        78.5        94        15        100        16.95        0        0

3142        55.49        56        44        18        95        17.67        0        0

3784        67.32        67        84        12        100        17.53        0        0

1583        63.83        64.5        77        17        97        17.46        0        0

3189        53.58        54        71        4        96        19.47        2        0

771        78.30        81.5        94        34        100        15.49        0        0

1262        70.14        70.5        65        32        100        16.38        0        0

3173        84.73        88        96        37        100        13.20        0        0

4013        75.65        77        88        25        100        16.47        0        0

4394        71.25        76        84        13        100        18.50        0        0

4028        67.96        69        74        14        98        16.74        0        0

296        73.46        76        87        22        100        17.32        0        0

1212        79.95        83        97        27        100        15.39        0        0

4090        82.47        86        96        30        100        14.84        0        0

568        80.92        84        92        36        100        15.17        0        0

3981        83.95        87        100        44        100        13.40        0        0

4372        81.12        85        85        27        100        14.69        0        0

4353        70.82        72        77        16        100        17.49        0        0

3530        87.48        91        100        39        100        11.77        0        0

585        83.55        87        94        36        100        13.47        0        0

3259        60.52        60.5        68        21        99        17.96        0        0

2704        90.69        95        100        51        100        10.55        0        0

2010        73.76        74        85        21        100        16.41        0        0

2339        72.13        73        67        23        100        17.46        0        0

3925        88.68        92        99        51        100        10.59        0        0

2158        85.91        89        89        47        100        11.95        0        0

151        82.40        86        96        25        100        14.11        0        0

1382        80.68        83        95        34        100        13.73        0        0

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25        28.66        29        30        21        36        2.90        1

180        29.19        30        30        22        36        3.06        2

399        25.92        26        26        16        32        3.01        0

2169        25.72        26        26        14        34        3.26        0

16        28.29        28        28        20        36        3.20        2

33        26.46        26        26        16        34        3.30        0

2054        26.97        27        26        20        34        3.26        0

48        24.35        24        24        14        34        3.55        0

3322        28.17        28        28        18        36        3.22        1

103        24.96        25        26        16        34        3.56        0

1918        24.84        24.5        26        14        34        3.67        0

148        25.98        26        24        18        34        3.51        0

1323        26.50        26        26        18        34        3.20        0

801        24.74        25        26        16        32        3.28        0

1671        20.89        20.5        22        11        28        3.60        0

2337        24.16        24        26        13        33        3.88        0

8        24.03        24        26        13        34        3.65        0

573        24.63        24        26        15        34        3.64        0

1538        24.71        24        24        14        34        3.60        0

1714        27.88        28        28        20        36        2.83        1

2928        25.20        26        26        14        32        3.42        0

1718        28.61        28        28        18        35        3.07        0

744        20.82        20        22        10        30        3.97        0

1208        24.85        25        22        16        36        3.75        1

772        23.42        24        24        14        34        3.91        0

358        23.23        23        22        13        32        3.58        0

1574        20.61        20        22        10        28        3.88        0

342        18.19        18        20        8        30        3.46        0

868        20.55        20        20        10        30        3.51        0

2016        23.25        24        22        13        34        3.88        0

1350        19.51        20        20        10        30        4.03        0

2377        20.16        20        20        7        28        3.53        0

1732        26.18        26        26        18        35        3.42        0

125        22.12        22        24        12        30        3.82        0

1425        21.96        22        22        14        30        3.47        0

527        21.15        21.5        22        11        32        3.73        0

3196        20.49        20        18        12        31        3.76        0

3103        16.11        16        16        8        26        3.72        0

231        21.42        22        22        12        30        3.58        0

1747        17.21        17        16        8        30        3.82        0

2486        19.83        20        20        10        32        3.85        0

815        23.38        24        24        14        32        3.46        0

2090        16.85        17.5        18        8        26        3.57        0

533        17.46        18        18        6        28        3.62        0

263        19.76        20        20        10        28        3.65        0

2220        23.22        23        22        14        34        3.85        0

269        17.52        18        16        7        26        4.07        0

2642        19.13        19        18        10        28        3.74        0

2439        24.13        24        26        16        34        3.51        0

237        22.40        22        24        13        34        3.66        0

1108        20.03        20        18        10        29        3.80        0

2341        14.84        14        14        6        22        3.54        0

4159        16.23        16        16        8        24        3.70        0

4146        13.81        14        14        2        28        4.06        0

4057        14.66        15        16        6        24        3.79        0

281        15.06        15        14        4        28        4.00        0

69        15.47        16        16        4        26        3.66        0

1038        17.15        17        18        8        26        3.96        0

1011        17.81        18        18        8        30        3.72        0

3453        13.84        14        16        6        24        3.54        0

4099        13.25        14        14        4        24        3.71        0

1305        18.57        18        18        10        28        3.50        0

4083        18.66        18        18        8        28        3.80        0

3574        20.81        21        22        10        28        3.48        0

492        12.57        12        10        4        24        3.71        0

384        17.61        18        16        8        28        3.45        0

3931        15.24        15        18        6        28        3.88        0

766        14.42        14        14        6        23        3.45        0

1515        15.80        16        16        8        24        3.60        0

4031        12.11        12        12        4        22        3.36        0

870        16.61        16        18        6        28        3.82        0

168        13.62        14        14        4        22        3.61        0

1831        13.79        14        14        2        27        3.90        0

3142        17.93        18        20        8        26        3.62        0

3784        15.34        16        16        4        28        3.89        0

1583        16.31        16        16        8        26        3.55        0

3189        18.59        18        18        8        30        3.92        0

771        12.95        13        10        2        22        3.78        0

1262        14.60        15        16        4        22        3.59        0

3173        11.31        11        10        2        21        3.56        0

4013        14.10        14        16        2        24        3.56        0

4394        14.56        14        14        4        28        4.10        0

4028        15.37        16        14        8        27        3.46        0

296        14.43        14        14        6        26        3.85        0

1212        12.86        12        12        4        24        3.65        0

4090        12.28        12        12        2        23        3.75        0

568        12.92        12        12        4        22        3.65        0

3981        12.19        12        10        2        22        3.40        0

4372        12.44        12        12        4        22        3.46        0

4353        15.01        15        14        6        26        3.70        0

3530        10.54        10        12        4        20        3.37        0

585        12.22        12        12        2        22        3.48        0

3259        17.40        18        18        6        26        3.53        0

2704        9.78        10        8        2        20        3.48        0

2010        13.95        14        12        4        24        3.68        0

2339        14.91        16        16        6        26        3.83        0

3925        10.40        10        10        1        19        3.26        0

2158        11.46        12        12        4        20        3.36        0

151        12.09        12        12        4        25        3.43        0

1382        12.32        12        12        4        22        3.36        0

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        avg        med        mode        min        max        stdev        Perfect

25        7.56        8        8        4        9        0.99        31

180        7.41        8        8        4        9        1.13        34

399        7.20        7        7        4        9        1.10        27

2169        7.30        7.5        8        3        9        1.21        27

16        7.14        7        8        4        9        1.18        27

33        7.01        7        8        3        9        1.28        21

2054        6.97        7        7        4        9        1.16        12

48        6.40        6.5        7        2        9        1.35        8

3322        6.74        7        7        3        9        1.25        11

103        6.46        6        7        4        9        1.18        7

1918        6.46        7        7        3        9        1.45        12

148        6.38        6        7        3        9        1.29        11

1323        6.37        6        6        3        9        1.29        11

801        6.18        6        6        3        9        1.36        5

1671        6.18        6        6        2        9        1.35        3

2337        6.05        6        6        2        9        1.41        5

8        5.80        6        6        2        9        1.51        1

573        6.16        6        7        3        9        1.38        7

1538        5.82        6        6        2        9        1.41        5

1714        5.48        6        6        2        9        1.33        2

2928        6.04        6        6        2        9        1.35        5

1718        5.51        5        5        2        9        1.41        1

744        5.48        5        5        2        9        1.44        2

1208        5.52        5.5        5        1        9        1.50        3

772        5.77        6        5        1        9        1.55        5

358        5.66        6        7        1        9        1.44        3

1574        5.62        6        6        2        9        1.37        1

342        5.68        6        6        1        9        1.38        1

868        5.26        5        5        2        8        1.42        0

2016        5.34        5        6        2        9        1.55        5

1350        5.19        5        5        2        9        1.56        4

2377        5.36        5        6        1        8        1.41        0

1732        5.04        5        5        1        9        1.54        1

125        5.08        5        5        1        8        1.48        0

1425        5.30        5        6        2        9        1.44        1

527        5.05        5        5        0        9        1.58        2

3196        5.08        5        5        1        8        1.37        0

3103        4.85        5        5        1        8        1.46        0

231        4.94        5        6        1        8        1.46        0

1747        4.71        5        5        1        9        1.48        1

2486        4.87        5        5        0        8        1.48        0

815        4.66        5        5        1        9        1.47        1

2090        4.75        5        4        1        8        1.48        0

533        4.66        5        5        1        9        1.59        1

263        4.58        4        4        1        8        1.38        0

2220        4.66        5        5        1        8        1.63        0

269        4.60        5        5        1        9        1.55        1

2642        4.83        5        6        1        9        1.43        1

2439        4.54        5        5        1        9        1.64        1

237        4.66        5        5        0        8        1.53        0

1108        4.51        4        4        1        8        1.49        0

2341        4.33        4        4        1        8        1.42        0

4159        4.49        5        5        1        8        1.59        0

4146        4.26        4        5        0        8        1.51        0

4057        4.09        4        4        1        8        1.55        0

281        4.11        4        4        0        8        1.43        0

69        4.23        4        5        1        8        1.46        0

1038        3.94        4        4        0        7        1.51        0

1011        3.85        4        4        1        8        1.42        0

3453        3.70        4        3        1        8        1.40        0

4099        3.70        4        4        0        9        1.43        1

1305        3.61        4        4        0        7        1.37        0

4083        3.72        4        3        0        8        1.44        0

3574        3.72        4        4        0        7        1.33        0

492        3.45        3        3        0        7        1.43        0

384        3.59        3        3        1        8        1.35        0

3931        3.64        4        4        1        7        1.41        0

766        3.47        3        3        1        7        1.26        0

1515        3.23        3        3        0        7        1.35        0

4031        3.37        3        3        0        7        1.40        0

870        3.27        3        4        0        8        1.51        0

168        3.17        3        3        0        7        1.39        0

1831        3.04        3        3        0        7        1.41        0

3142        3.11        3        3        0        8        1.35        0

3784        3.04        3        3        0        6        1.35        0

1583        3.10        3        3        0        7        1.35        0

3189        2.93        3        3        0        7        1.51        0

771        2.81        3        2        0        7        1.46        0

1262        3.06        3        3        0        7        1.41        0

3173        2.92        3        3        0        6        1.37        0

4013        2.79        3        3        0        7        1.33        0

4394        2.96        3        2        0        7        1.45        0

4028        2.80        3        2        0        8        1.36        0

296        2.80        3        2        0        6        1.43        0

1212        2.80        3        2        0        8        1.47        0

4090        2.93        3        3        0        6        1.42        0

568        2.75        3        3        0        6        1.31        0

3981        2.57        3        3        0        6        1.24        0

4372        2.30        2        2        0        7        1.34        0

4353        2.46        2        2        0        5        1.27        0

3530        2.49        2        2        0        7        1.37        0

585        2.39        2        2        0        6        1.31        0

3259        2.52        2        2        0        6        1.32        0

2704        2.17        2        2        0        6        1.26        0

2010        2.25        2        2        0        7        1.38        0

2339        2.45        2        3        0        6        1.40        0

3925        2.22        2        2        0        5        1.27        0

2158        2.19        2        2        0        5        1.27        0

151        2.18        2        2        0        7        1.27        0

1382        1.63        2        2        0        5        1.12        0

Re: Galileo 2012!

Hmmmmmmmmmm SPAM was #1 seed at both of their regionals, finalist in one and winner in the other, 2nd highest OPR & World ranking in the division, Joe's simulation seems to like them, yet noone posting seems to think they are a contender. They must be flying under the radar. I have a feeling that they may have kept a few tricks in their bag just for the Championship. It's been 10 years since their last Einstein appearance; could this be their year?

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1160810)

They must be flying under the radar.

I don't mind that too much, actually...

Good luck, everyone!

Re: Galileo 2012!

I just wanted to post what my research has showed me about the teams on Galileo. I came up with this data by going down the entire listof the field. Next I looked up these teams on FRC Spyder. Anytime that scored 200+ in any of the categories I wrote down. After I figured out those teams I copied the information onto an excel spreadsheet.

The numbers I used were a mix from each of the competitions. For example: Say a team went to three competitions. At Competition A they had their best teleop points. At Competition B they had their best hybrid. At Competition C they had their best balancing. So I would used the teleop from A, the hybrid from B, and the balancing from C.

Next I added all the numbers together in order to come up with a grand total of points. I then arranged the grand totals in descending order. I came up with the following:

Team # HP BP TP Grand Total
2054 227 200 289 716
33 195 130 380 705
1918 235 140 269 644
25 175 120 329 624
2337 234 150 239 623
1718 166 150 260 576
2016 205 140 209 554
3322 166 100 285 551
180 175 120 209 504
2169 155 30 317 502
103 136 110 223 469
48 154 70 240 464
1323 132 50 240 422
801 116 90 215 421
399 93 110 206 409
868 148 50 211 409
772 137 50 204 391
148 97 50 208 355

I am well aware of the fact that FRC Spyder doesn't count the elimination matches, and therefore this spredsheet isn't 100% accurate. This is my first time doing anything like this so any feedback woul be greatly appreciated.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashek (Post 1160866)

Next I added all the numbers together in order to come up with a grand total of points. I then arranged the grand totals in descending order. I came up with the following:

Team # HP BP TP Grand Total
2054 227 200 289 716
33 195 130 380 705
1918 235 140 269 644
25 175 120 329 624
2337 234 150 239 623
1718 166 150 260 576
2016 205 140 209 554
3322 166 100 285 551
180 175 120 209 504
2169 155 30 317 502
103 136 110 223 469
48 154 70 240 464
1323 132 50 240 422
801 116 90 215 421
399 93 110 206 409
868 148 50 211 409
772 137 50 204 391
148 97 50 208 355

I like the Michigan bias, first of all (6 of the top 10 are Michigan teams :D ) That being said, BP isn't a very accurate metric without adding some sort of coopertition compensation. I don't have the data in front of me right now, but I am sure that the rankings would change with coopertition.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashek (Post 1160866)

The primary problem with this method is that FRC Spyder calculates alliance scores not individual robot scores. As such this will produce a bias towards teams in deeper regional events (ie MSC and MAR). The top ten appears to confirm this bias as the top eight teams are from these two regions. When looking at this data, be sure to consider this fact.

Re: Galileo 2012!

I am aware of both of these problems. This was just a last minute thing I put together.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Smellie (Post 1160928)

The bigger problem is that you need to normalize to either a per match basis or a 10 match schedule, as many events got more or less than 10 qual matches.

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It would be interesting to see how that list would look with the rest of the division considered. For instance, 573 at MSC scored 234 HP, 170 BP, and 239 TP for a total of 613 points. That places them in between 2337 and 1718, and I'm sure there are other teams who would be thrown into the mix.

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I'm sorry 573 Somehow I must have forgot to put you guys into that list. I don't know how that happened.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1160810)

I have a feeling that they may have kept a few tricks in their bag just for the Championship.

A new wrinkle? I can neither confirm nor deny.... :-) It's good to see to 801 and 744 hanging out in the top 25 of Joe's list. Can't wait to mix it up in this division!

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashek (Post 1161025)

I'm sorry 573 Somehow I must have forgot to put you guys into that list. I don't know how that happened.

No worries. You did say it was a quick job so a slip up is understandable.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Team 399 has successfully tested our "stinger" / balancing assist mechanism. Can't wait to use it. Only 5 more days!!!

Re: Galileo 2012!

10 minute montage (we're gonna need a montaggggge) of Team 48 and (eventually) Team 3193 practicing long-short-long triple balancing - all the highs and the lows. Enjoy, if you dare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1wugVzdhG0

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman (Post 1161324)

Looks nice!

Was there a reason you never tried reversing the orientations of one of the long bots so that the CG was closer to the center than the edge?

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by slijin (Post 1161395)

Looks nice!

Was there a reason you never tried reversing the orientations of one of the long bots so that the CG was closer to the center than the edge?

3193's weight is actually front-biased a bit, so they were in the proper orientation. Note what happened whenever we applied forward force to the center robot later in the video - which way did 3193 tilt? :)

They do not have a stinger or bridge tender in the rear of their bot. There is actually not much at all back there - the internal guts of their bot are laid out very differently from ours. Plus the pivoting arms let either of us shift the CG further toward the front.

They might have had a similar result driving up backwards and tilting their arm all the way back, but I think we prefer this configuration; plus it was more symmetric and therefore looked cooler!

48's CG is very slightly rear of center, but with the stinger, we kinda need to be pointing that way. As you can see, we can hang quite a bit of the rear bot off the bridge and be comfortably balanced. Tilting the arm forward helps with stability. You can be assured we'll be pushing ours as far forward as possible, into contact with the center bot during any triple opportunities - we promise we'll be gentle!

For the record, the center "bot" in practice (donated by Team 46 ;) ) was close to a max length 28" widebot frame.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Recently an encoder for our shooter motors busted and we are in need of a new one. It is a US Digital S4-128-250-B-D. I have attached pictures for reference.

Link to original thread(with pictures): http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...hreadid=105887

Message me or send us an email if you have one we can borrow.

We'll throw in a pair of free RoboProm tickets for whomever loans us an encoder if you want

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clinton Bolinger (Post 1160060)

Edit: 2928 Wide,
thats what helped us with triple balancing in Seattle. (Olympic Field)

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1160810)

Yes It is time for a SPAM appearance in Einstein.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rashek (Post 1160866)

I just wanted to post what my research ....

Next I added all the numbers together in order to come up with a grand total of points. I then arranged the grand totals in descending order. I came up with the following:

Team # HP BP TP Grand Total
2054 227 200 289 716
...
I am well aware of the fact that FRC Spyder doesn't count the elimination matches, and therefore this spredsheet isn't 100% accurate. This is my first time doing anything like this so any feedback woul be greatly appreciated.

I really like that you are looking at the data but... this is kind of bad math gone wrong scenario. As others have stated, you have two factors contributing to a lot of possible error.

#1 12 matches at FiM & MAR versus 8-10 matches most other regionals. If you normalize per match, you will get a much better metric.

#2 Alliance partners. The metric above can be highly dependent on alliance partners. When a robot is scoring around 2X the average, in theory they are only responsible for 50% 0f the points (2X+X+X)=4X & 2X/4X=50%...). Since MSC and MAR are "qualified" events, the average strength of the participant is significantly different from most regionals.

The general trends are often reasonable (highest scorer will be highest), but trying to sort with any sort of fidelity requires additional work.

Look at some of the normalizing functions (dividing by number of matches, normalizing to event strength...). Normalizing function have their own problems as well.
In 2010, from an OPR perspective, 3 robots all at an OPR of 2 (about 2X national average) could actually combine to be worth 8-10 pts. versus the predicted 6 pts. in a match doing zone strategy.
In 2011, at really deep fields, OPR was actually driven down as 60+60+60 would often equal 120 due to the digresive scoring last year. Thus teams taht had really good partners at a strong event might actually see their OPR go down as they more frequently got into the stronger digresive scoring regions .

Re: Galileo 2012!

Team 772 has a Robot Information/Overview page for all teams. Please take a look at it in the attachments below.

Something about our robot that I would like to point out for all teams is that it is Possible for us to triple balance! Our robot can hang 17" off the bridge, taking up only 22" of the bridge (with bumpers).

Good Luck to all teams at Championships!

Re: Galileo 2012!

To add to that list 342 is also wide but everyone should have that by now. Matches seem to be getting harder and harder. Anyone notice anything awesome in our division or anything that happened in the matches that was really cool? I know 342 and 537 co-oped in literally5 seconds with the robots hanging off the edge.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Does anyone know what's happening to 2169? They have sunk like a stone in the rankings.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Just ran the OPR for results so far, figured I'd post in case anyone is interested.

Code:

180        40.1219

33        37.0848

148        36.0994

868        35.0515

744        34.6639

25        32.9627

3103        30.8391

2054        30.2903

2016        29.8592

1718        27.9295

573        27.9071

3173        26.9689

3453        26.0827

1323        25.6239

48        24.566

1918        24.3989

2169        24.1908

801        23.4026

3322        23.2505

269        23.1771

16        22.8063

1732        21.7211

1574        21.6791

4394        21.6502

2928        21.5575

4372        20.6242

1714        20.2901

3142        19.7537

2486        19.5091

1583        19.4965

231        19.2465

1305        19.2262

2439        18.8826

492        18.4234

1038        18.2836

237        17.9422

1350        17.7897

358        17.6638

1538        17.1042

2337        17.0359

1671        17.0301

533        16.9463

1208        16.3586

2010        15.841

3574        15.5875

4057        15.1774

1425        15.1184

3530        15.0245

3925        14.4958

103        14.0242

870        13.5901

2220        12.1548

384        11.9665

815        11.8108

4159        11.7794

1262        11.6797

2339        11.6545

771        11.647

125        11.552

766        11.4937

568        11.4033

527        10.892

8        10.4584

1011        10.1324

2158        9.94262

1515        8.75977

772        8.74136

3196        8.49061

2377        8.41885

281        8.15301

399        8.13106

296        8.07278

2090        8.0171

585        7.3832

1747        7.37449

69        7.27027

1382        6.77873

4146        6.55601

342        6.45622

4031        6.24064

3189        6.22137

3931        5.64647

3784        5.46039

2642        5.3852

4099        5.33062

1831        4.97288

3259        4.67095

2341        4.53083

168        4.27748

263        4.17336

4090        3.96362

4013        2.61065

151        1.94046

4083        1.72622

4028        1.13921

1108        0.975128

2704        0.153195

1212        -1.52536

4353        -3.85425

3981        -5.01059

Re: Galileo 2012!

Who are people thinking about picking? Any sleepers? <3 281 strategy meeting

Re: Galileo 2012!

We finally got everything worked out on our robot and had a great last match with 148! 21-72 (us). We will be ready for Eliminations tomorrow and are back to our FULL Potential.

Re: Galileo 2012!

How is OPR calculated?

Re: Galileo 2012!

As far as I understand it, it's a bit of linear algebra. Every match played at an event is loaded into a matrix, and then an attempt is made to find the best solution (the number of points a team contributes to the match).

You can read more about it in this thread
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=75272

There's also a presentation by Dr. Ed Law on theredalliance.com, under scouting.

Re: Galileo 2012!

180, 25 and 16 are moving on to Einstein from Galileo.

Re: Galileo 2012!

We are doing so welll! Go galileo!!!

Re: Galileo 2012!

I have to say I enjoyed watching all the teams on this field. What an awesome field of teams. I wish our World Champions all the best next season!

Re: Galileo 2012!

Great to hear that the Galileo winners were able to take the big prize. I do have one question, though. Our team (766) was in Galileo this year, but my son and I didn't make the long trip to St. Louis. We followed the webcast for a while but had to attend another event when Einstein was played, so we missed getting to see it. I'm curious about this message from Jon Dudas that was sent out to all the teams today:

Thank you for your incredible enthusiasm and Gracious Professionalism throughout the year and at the Championship. We apologize for the technical problems that affected the final matches at our Championship. We will examine all of the facts, report our findings and ultimately solve any and all identified issues.

Can anyone tell me what the problems were?
Thanks all

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeivyca (Post 1164309)

Thank you for your incredible enthusiasm and Gracious Professionalism throughout the year and at the Championship. We apologize for the technical problems that affected the final matches at our Championship. We will examine all of the facts, report our findings and ultimately solve any and all identified issues.

Can anyone tell me what the problems were?
Thanks all

There were communications problems during every match, including robots that did not move during entire matches. This should give you an idea: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=106034

Re: Galileo 2012!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bduddy (Post 1164314)

There were communications problems during every match, including robots that did not move during entire matches. This should give you an idea: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=106034

Thanks, I glanced at this thread and I can understand why everyone was upset. Let's hope they come up with a better field design next year.

Re: Galileo 2012!

One other thing that was not said on here was our rookie team that finished 10th on Galileo and was highest rookie seed on Galileo and highest rookie seed overall on the 4 fields. The robot was built in 2 weeks and had no shooter,just a rolling chassis with a strong pneumatic bridge arm. ::safety::

Re: Galileo 2012!

Though Championships was fun and i am really happy that Galileo won, our team had an unfortunate time there. We had some more ball jamming problems. The drive was acting up again, which was discovered to be a blown Jaguar. Our shooter became less accurate, and not as strong (balls didn't go as far for how fast the wheel was spinning). We couldn't get the accurate shots we got from the fender in Queen City, or the accurate shots we got in Smoky Mountains from the Key. It was a shock to us that we went 4-5 and had only a few co-op points.

We were happy to see our alliance partners 234 and 3259 again. What great teams. They are some of the nicest people i have talked to. We were glad we got to balance once again with 3259, like we did to win the Smokey mountains regional when 234 was dead on the field.

Great Job Galileo!

I cant wait to see how our team does next year now :D Especially cause it will be my last year on the team as a student. :(

Re: Galileo 2012!

Did anyone notice 3173 in Galileo? Just wondering what people thought of arguably the most improved robot from their regional to the championships. We ended up as the 3rd ranked alliance captain and unfortunately lost in the 1st round of elims, but with the strong Galileo competition there really is no shame in that.

Re: Galileo 2012!

Was it any surprise that Galileo won another championship? We had been in the top eight in both our regionals and we didn't even come close to being a top alliance. It was amazing to see a 4th seeded alliance come out Galileo to win the whole thing. Congrats to 180, 25, and 16, for showing what classic teams can do!

Re: Galileo 2012!

As a senior, I can honestly say there was no better way to go out than how we did on Galileo this year. It was a BLAST!

First to 180, 25 and 16. That was an absolutely phenomenal alliance. 16 was an absolute steal, and I don't think anyone else realized their potential for defense. It was so frustrating to be playing with no balls on our side of the field. Great strategy. 180 and 25 were extremely consistent shooters. Amazing alliance. It is also fun being able to say that we beat the world champions in a match. :D

231 and 1714, it was a pleasure to work with you. The strategies that we played were perfect and the matches were probably some of the most exciting that have hit FIRST in a while. I think there were 3 matches that we won by only 1 point, and one was by a human player shot. Strategy was definitely key to our success. I bet we could have taken it to the next level if we had been able to practice the triple balance before the final match. We were sooooo close.

To the refs, great job all weekend, I had absolutely no complaints about the calls made.

To the queuing staff, sorry it took me so long to understand how it worked haha.

All in all, a great weekend, and I hope to have one more chance to drive that robot at IRI. :D