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thefro526

20-04-2012 07:49

[EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Now that Divisions are out, we're finalizing the details of our 2012 Championship Casts. For those of you that remember last year's cast, it was full of information and really long for those who didn't care about other divisions so we're trying something new.

On Sunday 4/22/12 We'll be doing the following Casts:
9:00PM - Archimedes Preview
9:45PM - Curie Preview

Then On Monday 4/23/12 We'll be doing:
9:00PM - Galileo Preview
9:45PM - Newton Preview

Each cast will be about 30-35 Minutes long and will be posted to our TS Page and other locations following the cast - we hope that breaking the Championship into 4 separate mini-casts will be a little easier on the ears than a single 2+ hour long mega cast.

As always, Times are EST and the call will be live on our TS Page: http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/98466

If anyone is willing to call in as an 'expert' on a division or two, please PM Andrew or I.

Alpha Beta

20-04-2012 09:33

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Great idea. Looking forward to the new format.

santosh

22-04-2012 14:53

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Saaahhhhwweeeett brah.
I am pumped to hear these casts. I like the new format better too.
You guys should make your picks and at the (idk if yall will do this) post champs cast, look back on your erroneous picks and then bow down to mine.

Should be good, I know yall have watched a ton of matches so your input will actually be pretty solid I assume. I am excited for it.

thefro526

22-04-2012 14:55

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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Originally Posted by santosh (Post 1161391)

You guys should make your picks and at the (idk if yall will do this) post champs cast, look back on your erroneous picks and then bow down to mine.

Okay Santosh, because we all know that you're All Knowing.... :P

I can't say that I've ever walked away from a Championship without thinking to myself 'Who would've called so and so to do as well as they did'. A retrospective would definitely be fun.

Andrew Lawrence

22-04-2012 14:59

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

I can't wait! I like the new format.

I can see why you're putting Newton tomorrow. Saving the best for last. ;)

Grim Tuesday

22-04-2012 15:09

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Instead of the "Talkshoe: Recorded Live", can you replace it with "LEEEEETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBLE"?

CalTran

22-04-2012 15:13

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday (Post 1161396)

Instead of the "Talkshoe: Recorded Live", can you replace it with "LEEEEETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBLE"?

Somebody needs to get this guy to Einstein for those two senteces: And now, the moment the world has been waiting for...Leeeeeeet's get reeeeeeaaaaaady to rummmmmmbbbbblllllleeee!"

thefro526

22-04-2012 21:00

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Just a quick note, the 9:45pm Casts are now rescheduled to 10pm. Sorry for any inconvenience.

O'Sancheski

22-04-2012 21:22

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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Originally Posted by SuperNerd256 (Post 1161393)

I can see why you're putting Newton tomorrow. Saving the best for last. ;)

I think they just went in alphabetical order.:p

Andrew Lawrence

22-04-2012 21:23

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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Originally Posted by O'Sancheski (Post 1161651)

I think they just went in alphabetical order.:p

I think it's just a coincidence. :p

Andrew Schreiber

22-04-2012 21:57

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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<wing1002> DRAGONS!

<schreiaj> Rawr!

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<Guest 13> LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!

<pyeung45> ^ great

<Guest 6> Ding Ding

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<pyeung45> he meant newton

<matt_FRCDesigns> Hey Bryan!

<wing1002> on Archimedes, along with 2415, I think 1311 is a good wildcard

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<wing1002> Their OPR skyrocketed at NC and they've only been improving. They looked great at practice the other day

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<Guest 14> Ive noticed that in the PNW as well

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<Guest 14> there were alot of robots down

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<Guest 27> finals-2

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<Guest 14> they didnt move after hybrid

<Guest 27> they died pretty much right after hybrid

<pyeung45> and there partner tipped

<pyeung45> *their

<matt_FRCDesigns> Hey Justin!

<Guest 16> http://youtu.be/gSSnBhGY6R8



GTR West final 1-2

<Justin340> Hey bud

<Bryan33> We've had some issues

<Guest 14> i think 361 is the perfect example

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<Guest 14> they had nothing but issues at bayou, and worked perfectly at lone star

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<matt_FRCDesigns> Nice stinger 340!

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<waldo1099> i think everyone wants to see 2056 and 1114 team together and win the dvision

<jtemple> they triec that once....

<jbarry987> not everyone...

<XaulZan11> every except the other 97 teams in the divison

<jtemple> tried*

<pyeung45> i think itll be 67 2056

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<jbarry987> or the 300 in the other divisions

<Justin340> ...

<Guest 13> 2056's stinger looks like an afterthought

<Guest 27> i think 1114 is the better shooter

<jbarry987> afterthought better than nothing

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<waldo1099> 2056 overall looks like a better robot

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<Guest 13> 1114 was slightly ahead, but had 2 scoring robots, while 2056 was the only scoring robot on their alliance

<Guest 16> seeing both robots at both GTR regionals, 1114 seems inferior to 2056

<Guest 27> true #13

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<Justin340> 359 > 1218

<waldo1099> they had alot to live up to after 2011

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<schreiaj> Yeah, living up to the 2011 defensive specialist is hard...

<Guest 15> 973 is pretty poor this year compared to last

<Justin340> Unless you don't have a shooter...

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<matt_FRCDesigns> Don't worry Justin. I will talk about that when I talk about Newton

<waldo1099> DISAGREE! our practice bot was extremely similar and helped us so much

<Guest 13> 973 makes as many shots as an above average team, but the miss more shots then most. If they get it fixed, they'll be among the top in the division

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<XaulZan11> very similar to 2056, but key shooter. they caught fire during wisconsin elims

<Guest 25> 973 lost to $@#$@#$@#$@# good teams

<schreiaj> literally caught fire or just got really good?

<Guest 25> a lot of these good teams in arc won events without beating anybody

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<schreiaj> I stand by my statements about 973, I watched them at CVR and was not impressed

<Guest 34> are they going in any order?

<wing1002> the order on the google doc

<Guest 34> or just randomly talking about teams?

<schreiaj> course, that prolly means they'll end up on einstein.

<waldo1099> GREATN ROBOT!!!! and nice team!!! there practice field was helpful and lent out to other teas

<Guest 13> This order https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XOaOhIxj1KHY57QdI7jUJnVBx6oCeJO626tXAhqsQ44/edit?pli=1

<Guest 34> thanks

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<Hallry1676> w00t 

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<Hallry1676> Thanks sean =)

<jbarry987> locks, tip, dark horses

<Hallry1676> Yeah, we've had a lot of comm issues.

<schreiaj> jbarry, yeah pretty much

<Guest 13> 1676 is too good for just a feeder role

<Hallry1676> Thanks

<matt_FRCDesigns> I'm heading out guys. I will be back to talk about Newton tomorrow!

<schreiaj> Thanks for joining us Matt

<matt_FRCDesigns> I made my own list for Newton. Is that alright?

<schreiaj> Sure thing

<matt_FRCDesigns> Ok cool. Look forward to giving some insight!

<schreiaj> see if you can shoot it to Dustin or I sometime so we can consolidate

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<wing1002> North Carolina

<matt_FRCDesigns> I am sure it is similar to Dustin. I have a couple teams I want to throw into the mix

<matt_FRCDesigns> 

<waldo1099> chiarmas award winner also i think

<wing1002> RCA at Peachtree

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<wing1002> they've been practicing as well...

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<pyeung45> won with 781 in queen city. they are definitely hungry

<waldo1099> please sy team names

<wing1002> thebluealliance.com

<wing1002> to look up your team names

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<Mike1592> lol =]

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<sportzkrazzy> ty

<Guest 40> what division we talkin about?

<sportzkrazzy> )

<sportzkrazzy> )

<wing1002> Archimedes

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<Mike1592> 85% is below the shooter

<Mike1592> weight wise

<Guest 40> what team are they talkin about

<schreiaj> you LOOK really top heavy 

<wing1002> 1592

<sportzkrazzy> lol ty =)

<Guest 40> 1592 looks good

<Mike1592> thanks

<Guest 27> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XOaOhIxj1KHY57QdI7jUJnVBx6oCeJO626tXAhqsQ44/edit?pli=1

<wing1002> yea, they were rocking badly at peachtree

<wing1002> they switched from pneumatic wheels to colsons

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<schreiaj> Colson ALL the things

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<jtemple> they've gone through like 3 revisions of intakes

<wing1002> yea

<wing1002> their intake... OMG

<XaulZan11> I think every divsion winner will triple balance

<Mike1592> Do you see the winning alliance going for key+fender shooter or just build for average shooters that can triple?

<Guest 40> is 1114 good this year?

<jtemple> 1114 doesn't have off years

<Guest 40> i think key and fender

<wing1002> good? They're amazing

<Guest 27> yeah they are really good

<wing1002> nah, an 1114 off year is a year that they only win 1 regional

<kellenhill1625> why can't you have two good key shooters?

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<wing1002> trouble fitting on the key and ligning

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<kellenhill1625> the key is pretty big

<Guest 41> only if their both in middle

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<Guest 40> why would you be on the key at the same time during tele op?

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<XaulZan11> 2 or 3 key scorers will be fine

<Mike1592> Or do you guys see fender shooters being totally eliminated or still deadly scorers?

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<kellenhill1625> you are only limited if both robots best shots are from straight on

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<Guest 40> deadly scorers will still be deadly scorers

<wing1002> I'd say the key shot will win

<Guest 25> 1647 is okay, but isn't decent enough to make elims

<wing1002> but fender shooters will still be deadly

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<Guest 40> 1647 won't play in eliminations

<kellenhill1625> fender shooters are risky business unless you're talking 2056 caliber

<wing1002> yea

<XaulZan11> @kellen, and IF they both have 3 balls at the same time

<Mike1592> 190 does that same thing, gets the bridge almost immediately after hybrid starts

<wing1002> 2056, 2415, maybe 3476

<Guest 13> 67 makes 92% of coops, highest in the country

<wing1002> those teams will be good key shooters

<wing1002> or fender shooters rather

<Guest 40> 3476 is Code Orange right?

<wing1002> yea

<jtemple> thanks for the coop stat, 13

<kellenhill1625> if i get a choice in elims, i'm not gonna have three robots on my scoring end of the field

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<wing1002> woot!

<wing1002> MADAME

<wing1002> CURIE

<XaulZan11> 3 scorers can work, if atleast one of them gets balls from the far side

<Mike1592> awesome, 3 more days =]

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Andrew Schreiber

22-04-2012 22:49

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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<Guest 39> hello

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<Guest 12> Am i supposed to be hearing something?

<nuggetsyl> yes

<schreiaj> Yes, there is audio

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<Guest 39> Yeah I can't hear anything right now

<Guest 12> hmm...

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<schreiaj> refresh should fix that

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<schreiaj> TS is a little special at times

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<pyeung45> yes

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<Baselthe2nd> Refreshes didn't work for me; I resorted to listening via WMP stream

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<schreiaj> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XOaOhIxj1KHY57QdI7jUJnVBx6oCeJO626tXAhqsQ44/edit

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<Guest 4> Can anyone program it?

<MarcS> But only one team built it...

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<Guest 44> the secret is the programming 

<schreiaj> having looked through their code, yes

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<Guest 44> watching their driverstation screen is pretty cool

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<MarcS> SKYFIRE!

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<thefro526> robot is soooo sexy

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<Guest 56> how long does it take to buffer audio?

<XaulZan11> 44, whats their screen like?

<Guest 44> shows all their vision processing

<XaulZan11> cool

<Guest 44> since its done on the driverstation laptop

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<Guest 59> Is there any other way to listen? I've tried refreshing multiple times with the same result.

<Guest 4> 254 was better at Silicon Valley then Central Valley

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<thefro526> call the number at the bottom

<Guest 44> open http://recordings.talkshoe.com:8000/TS-617850.mp3.m3u in a media player as a strem

<IndySam> what's your browser?

<schreiaj> you can call in

<Guest 4> 341 by a long shot

<Guest 56> chrome

<Guest 59> Chrome.

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<IndySam> I have never been able to get chrome to work on talkshoe

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<Guest 56> safari?

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<Guest 20> Really?

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<Guest 45> Chrome is working for me

<Guest 20> I'm running chrome >.>

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<IndySam> yup, but that's just me

<Brandon_L> http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/webClient.jsp?masterId=98466&cmd=wc

<Brandon_L> ^chrome

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<Brandon_L> its a pain for me too

<Guest 4> 254 is long, 341 is wide, big difference

<IndySam> just sayin'

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<Guest 56> 254 can triple

<Guest 31> Autonomous is going to make or break most of these wins, I agree

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<wing1002> which team are we discussing?

<Guest 31> Any robot can triple....

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<Guest 31> *has tha capability to triple

<Guest 56> they can hang 2/3 off the ramp

<schreiaj> They have a stinger but it is in a really awkward place imho.

<nuggetsyl> 341 vs 254

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<Guest 4> 254 trying to triple http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105707

<XaulZan11> but 341 can pick the best two robot while 254 needs to pick atleast 1 wide robot, which may make a difference

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<Guest 31> Agreed

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<MarcS> Their stinger works just fine.

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<Guest 63> def

<Guest 31> I don't doubt that they'll be able to get that wide robot, though

<Guest 52> 1023 spins around

<Guest 52> and tips the bridge

<XaulZan11> Agreed 31, but will the be passing on a better long robot?

<XaulZan11> they*

<Guest 63> for the record safari works if any else is having trouble

<Guest 31> Very possibly

<Guest 45> yes, 971 was shooting mid because they had high goal consistency problems at regionals. They've really improved that post-SVR

<Guest 31> There are some strong wides, though

<Guest 31> Look at 1986

<Guest 31> All depends on seeding, really

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<Guest 4> 254 will shoot ball for ball, but won't score ball for ball

<Guest 45> 971 is looking to be shooting key at champs instead of fender

<Guest 63> 254 have drastically improved shooting consistency

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<XaulZan11> 3098 is solid all the way around. Not sure they can compete with 341/987

<Guest 4> 63, that's what people said before CVR, but it didn't happen

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<Guest 4> Missouri is the show me state, not the brag state

<Guest 61> 254 will have new drivers at champs

<Guest 63> their camera dropped out

<Guest 63> tbd

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<Hallry1676> @61: What?

<Guest 61> yep

<Guest 62> @61 how do you know?

<Hallry1676> Why?

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<Guest 61> other guy cant go

<nuggetsyl> http://www.warlocks1507.com/gallery3/2012/Buckeye-Regional/Friday/IMG_0936

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<Guest 31> Wow...

<Guest 61> idk what happened

<Hallry1676> wow...

<Guest 61> but it is someone new

<Guest 63> 61 he probably will be going

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<Guest 8> Can tripple have breaks

<Guest 61> im from 971

<Guest 4> 1507 is awesome

<Guest 63> 61 im from 254

<Guest 63> he was sick

<Guest 61> k

<Guest 63> got better

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<Guest 8> 1507 has breaks

<Guest 31> @63: no new drive team, then?

<Guest 61> did that change last i heard was thursday

<Guest 63> yeah

<Guest 61> k

<Guest 63> he was really sick

<wing1002> Texas Torque!

<Guest 63> came to school friday

<Guest 61> nvm then

<Guest 45> glad to hear that

<Guest 63> we are not sure yet but he is almost def coming

<Guest 31> 1477 was not quite as strong at Lone Star as they were at Bayou/Alamo...

<Hallry1676> Who are they a twin of?

<Guest 31> Changed a bunch on their robot at competition

<Guest 65> Their tipper is rather shaky.

<Guest 5> 624 is better than 1477

<Guest 31> 624 has more consistent shooting

<Guest 31> 624: only key shooting

<Guest 4> 1477 is only a lock because they are EWCP

<Guest 63> any1 have pics of them?

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<wing1002> meh

<Guest 14> http://www.texastorque.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/robots.jpg

<wing1002> 1477 has proven themselves

<schreiaj> 4, how many EWCP teams have been on this list?

<thefro526> 1?

<Guest 67> not necessarily

<wing1002> maybe they had a slow regional like 2415?

<Guest 63> thanks

<Guest 67> two long bots can balance

<Guest 4> 2415 was underrated, 1477 overrated

<Guest 31> Agreed.

<XaulZan11> Good call. 27 was anything special at MSC and didnt get picked.

<XaulZan11> wanst*

<Guest 31> @4: agreed

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<wing1002> yea, I agree

<wing1002> but 1477 is still good

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<Baselthe2nd> Michigan had some weird selections due to wide/long issues with over half the captains being long

<Guest 31> They are; I just think they've got to really step it up

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<Guest 63> won davis with 971

<Guest 63> second seed iirc

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<Guest 45> #1 seed at Sacramento

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<Guest 31> The competition on Curie will be much better than the other three

<wing1002> yea, 1477 went down from alamo and bayou to lone star

<Guest 61> 1678 was first seed

<Guest 5> how the heck did you guys put 1986 as a wildcard?

<wing1002> nah 31, Archimedes

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<Guest 5> 1986 is a lock

<wing1002> 1986 won twice, but not at very strong events

<Guest 5> not a wild card

<Guest 31> Oh, I totally agree with you

<Guest 14> imo... 1986 should be top 5 of division

<XaulZan11> KC was surprisingly really solid

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<Guest 31> By other three, I meant 1477's 3 regionals

<Guest 45> 1986 is definitely not a wild card, they're quite good

<Guest 45> I would say at least a tip, if not a lock

<wing1002> oh

<Guest 31> @45: YES

<Guest 4> 1986 is definitely a lock

<wing1002> haha

<Guest 5> yeah but you can say the same about 1477 they werent really at strong regionals

<schreiaj> We apparently disagree, we feel they could be really disruptive

<thefro526> I will explain why 1986 is a wildcard

<Guest 65> 1986 is really impressive. Especially with their new bridge mechanism that allows them to hang 17" of their robot off the bridge.

<Guest 14> why thank you dustin

<wing1002> 17"???!?!?

<wing1002> wow....

<Guest 31> 17" 

<Hallry1676> yeah

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<Hallry1676> crazy

<Guest 4> 1986 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef3Ie2Qft8I

<Guest 65> sorry. 14"

<Guest 31> They have a mechanism that comes down off the bot that increases the amount of contact they have with the bridge

<Guest 65> but that's with a wide robot.

<XaulZan11> so only 11' on the bridge?!

<jtemple> guys, wildcard, for reference, does NOT mean worse than Lock or Tip

<wing1002> wow

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<jtemple> it means they're a team who can shake up selections

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<Guest 31> I think they could be a lock

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<kellenhill1625> woot woot

<Guest 31> More than just a shaker

<kellenhill1625> swartdogs

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<Guest 5> 525 is good

<wing1002> i'd say wildcard is more like somewhere between a lock and a tip

<Guest 71> ,

<Guest 4> named after their teacher

<kellenhill1625> under 3 ft

<wing1002> not guaranteed, but not exactly inconsistent...

<kellenhill1625> we're gonna bring our shooting power

<wing1002> Pink!

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<Guest 9> 836's issue on bridges only happened at DC and it was because the low gear in the transmission failed.

<schreiaj> I would honestly put wildcard as a more prestigious position, we all know that the locks are gonna be playing in the afternoon but we think that...

<MarcS> 233 is good.\

<schreiaj> ... wildcards will have a huge impact

<wing1002> yea

<Guest 71> 71?

<sportzkrazzy> florida

<kellenhill1625> 71 is similar yeah

<sportzkrazzy> every year

<IndySam> 71

<wing1002> I think Wildcards will be there in the afternoon

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<sportzkrazzy> I love em

<wing1002> Locks are gauranteed top seeds pretty much

<wing1002> Wildcards are either top seed or close

<wing1002> and tips have potential

<Guest 5> I think you guys are bad at putting teams into the correct categories sometimes

<sportzkrazzy> you cant hate a team that dies that lol

<thefro526> Wildcard on this list means the team that has the most potential to jump

<thefro526> and do something crazy

<Guest 31> Anyone see any teams on the lock list (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XOaOhIxj1KHY57QdI7jUJnVBx6oCeJO626tXAhqsQ44/edit?pli=1#) that shouldn't be?

<wing1002> sounds like 2415...

<sportzkrazzy> they need a time laps of there robot build in the pits

<Baselthe2nd> I like 3098, but I wouldn't call them a lock..

<Guest 5> ^

<wing1002> hah Curie Curse

<Guest 71> curie never wins

<Guest 71> einstein

<MarcS> 2007 and 2010 defines the curie curse.

<wing1002> 2010 was so close....

<Guest 45> Up until 2008 Galileo never won either

<kellenhill1625> where is the list?

<Guest 4> Galileo never won unti 2008

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<Guest 71> then they destroyed

<IndySam> watch out for 3940!

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<Guest 4> 1986 can't stir it up because everyone knows them or will know them by picking time

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<Guest 31> @4: I agree. I think they're going to wow everyone

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<Guest 31> Not a secret anymore 

<Hallry1676> yep, we played with them then

<thefro526> If everyone goes wow

<wing1002> is that the same case with 2415 at archimedes?

<thefro526> that means that they were suprised

<thefro526> thus wildcard

<wing1002> 341 top seed!

<Guest 31> Hahaha, fair enough, @thefro

<sportzkrazzy> 233 is great at coop

<Guest 71> 971 will be second pick

<Guest 4> 1986 is more well known then 1507 and 624

<sportzkrazzy> they seeded crazy high in Florida because of it

<wing1002> sort of like what 1771 did on Galileo last year.

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<Guest 8> how is coop found for divisions?

<Guest 5> who is the best bridge bot in Curie?

<Guest 71> 341

<Guest 71> they don't have to limit their picking to including a wide bot

<sportzkrazzy> you think we will see two longs trip. at champs?

<Guest 31> Yes

<wing1002> yea

<Guest 71> yes

<sportzkrazzy> how long will it take?

<thefro526> Long/Wide/Long will happen

<Baselthe2nd> Almost certain there'll be attempts

<Guest 71> depends on alliance

<thefro526> but it's going to take time

<thefro526> and practice

<sportzkrazzy> idk

<Guest 71> 254 and 971 did it in about 6 seconds

<wing1002> practice fields at CMP will be crowded

<sportzkrazzy> how many teams will risk it

<sportzkrazzy> ?

<Guest 71> but they practice together

<Guest 4> 341 won't be able to do it as fast without 25 on the other end

<wing1002> the 8 seed teams may risk it

<Guest 44> it will be VERY hard to practice/evaluate triples iwth how the practice fields are setup

<Guest 31> If it means the difference between a win and loss, I would imagine many will

<thefro526> there are plenty of teams with brakes, Guest 4

<Guest 31> May not be important enough until elims

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<Guest 4> 25 has a long history with brakes. Saying that many teams has brakes is the pit scouting fallacy

<Guest 71> brakes are important

<Guest 71> they let teams balance later

<Guest 31> 1477 has brakes

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<thefro526> Guest 4, who are you?

<thefro526> You seem to enjoy pointing out faults

<wing1002> >.<

<sportzkrazzy> I really dont see 2 longs being able to keep up score wise with the time difference involved in the balance

<Guest 71> does 987 have breaks?

<Hallry1676> http://www.midatlanticrobotics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/IMG_03091.mov

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<Guest 4> I've also complimented 1717, 1507, 2415, I just have different ideas then you

<wing1002> hmm....

<thefro526> I'm just curious as to who you are

<thefro526> is all

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<schreiaj> That's fine, we're cool with dissenting opinions but we like to know who we're talking to

<XaulZan11> who wouldn't listen to 341?!

<Guest 15> 1986

<Guest 71> deaf people

<Guest 5> lol

<Guest 31> I want to ask again because it got a little lost when the "Curie Curse" came up:

<Guest 31> Anyone see any teams on the lock list (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XOaOhIxj1KHY57QdI7jUJnVBx6oCeJO626tXAhqsQ44/edit?pli=1#) that shouldn't be?

<Guest 71> 341 if they aren't the first picking team, they will be the first picked

<Guest 71> cause they are wide

<sportzkrazzy> can wlw beat wll on Einstein?

<sportzkrazzy> other way around sorry

<wing1002> that's interesting

<wing1002> it depends on hybrid

<wing1002> who gets to the middle bridge first

<XaulZan11> on galileo, 2054 and 3322 are very good, but more of tips, I feel

<schreiaj> we'll talk Galileo tomorrow

<XaulZan11> and maybe 180 and 399, but I haven't seen enough of them

<Guest 8> cant get to the practice field

<Guest 8> read the practice field rules

<sportzkrazzy> 180 is good

<sportzkrazzy> they have a stinger too

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<Guest 31> What about Curie (since that's our topic right now)

<Guest 31> ?

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<Guest 8> 1507 has bike breaks

<Guest 71> 254 has mechanical brakes

<MarcS> It doesn't matter how long you do something, if you don't use it properly then it's not a competitive advantage.

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<Guest 74> Who has had brakes for years

<Guest 71> visibility is also a factor of tripling

<Guest 71> hard to see from driver station

<Guest 5> 25 has had brakes for years

<Brandon_L> I was lucky enough to be behind the alliance wall that 25 was scoring on, watching that light come on and the 3 shots scoring EVERY time is scary

<wing1002> Curie seems to be solid this year

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<wing1002> the Curie Curse might be broken

<sportzkrazzy> 801

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<kellenhill1625> where are the tip, lock, etc picks ewcp put together?

<Guest 4> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XOaOhIxj1KHY57QdI7jUJnVBx6oCeJO626tXAhqsQ44/edit?pli=1

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<sportzkrazzy> same robot as us

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JB987

22-04-2012 23:34

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Any chance we can hear the Curie recording soon?

Andrew Schreiber

23-04-2012 00:02

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1161718)

Any chance we can hear the Curie recording soon?

As soon as it shows up on Talkshoe. I can't control that.

JB987

23-04-2012 00:20

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Thanks guys. I got excited when I saw the Archie broadcast already archived...yeah, it just came up!

Andrew Schreiber

23-04-2012 00:54

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Ask and you shall receive!

thefro526

23-04-2012 20:55

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

Just to Let Everyone Know, The Call is live!

http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/98466

thefro526

23-04-2012 22:54

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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<jtemple> LETS GET READY TO RUMBLEEE

<Guest 16> go go go

<grimtuesday> still no sound  

<IndySam> switch browsers

<Leeland1126> IMHO never expect anyone on Einstein. Scheduling hits good teams hard.

<nahstobor> refresh?

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<Leeland1126> Simon, click the trouble hearing button down by the volume.

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<SuperNerd256> LF hasn't posted today, has it?

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<wing1002> he has

<matt_FRCDesigns> yes he has  

<Leeland1126> He has. Not a specific predictions ,but a general thing.

<wing1002> but it's a preview

<Guest 13> LF posted a synopsis

<SuperNerd256> Link? I can't find it.

<stevend223> best catapult in FRC

<Guest 32> is there audio yet?

<Guest 16> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=105925

<Guest 13> nothing specific

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<wing1002> That thing is amazing

<IndySam> no  

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<wing1002> it's amazing how good 16 is with a catapult

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<SuperNerd256> Thanks

<grimtuesday> BBS is lock for Galileo

<wing1002> #BOMBSWERVE

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<Meredith16> Yes. 4 wheel swerve for the second year, correct.

<Leeland1126> Of course!

<Guest 26> They are most deadly because of how well they can pick up balls!

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<grimtuesday> I doubt they'll be number 1 seed, but I bet they'll be in the finals

<matt_FRCDesigns> Hey Meredith!

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<Meredith16> Hi Matt

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<Meredith16> We've added a mechanism so that we don't even have to lift the box to load the catapult.

<Leeland1126> And it's gorgeous. I wish our swerve was half that amazing.

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<grimtuesday> That pretty much only applies to Rebound Rumble, though, it's not a generic FIRST strategy

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<Hallry1676> hwy, karthik's here!

<Meredith16> We have a 4 ball now. working at home.

<Hallry1676> *hey

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<wing1002> nice

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<Meredith16> 6 second cycle for 3 shots

<SuperNerd256> Hello Karthik*!



Not sure if real Karthik yet...

<wing1002> That's pretty fast

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<grimtuesday> he's legit

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<wing1002> lol

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<karthik> 100%

<Guest 16> the real kanagasabapathy

<wing1002> only in FIRST do you have to worry if it's legit Karthik or not

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<SuperNerd256> Good to here

<SuperNerd256> *hear

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<grimtuesday> Can you spell his name?

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<wing1002> Karthik Kanagawhatchamacallits

<SuperNerd256> Kanagasabapathy? Is that right?

<karthik> yup

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<matt_FRCDesigns> Hey Karthik! Great to see you!

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<karthik> you too!

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<wing1002> #poppinThatWheelie

<Hallry1676> ^haha

<SuperNerd256> I'd like to see an Einstein wheel-pop

<Leeland1126> Sorcery. Absolute Sorcery.

<grimtuesday> 33 was first, no?

<SuperNerd256> 148 was first at Alamo

<Guest 13> they had a tailgun kind of thing, not internal to frame perimeter

<Guest 47> if 25 gets to einstein, i'm sure you'll see it

<Bryan33> Were both had them in week 1.

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<Meredith16> yes

<Bryan33> We*

<Guest 40> autonomous wheelies  

<Guest 47> is 148 stil primarily shooting from the fender?

<SuperNerd256> Who used the dingus first? I heard 148, though it could be wrong.

<TravisHoffman48> copioli is the first I heard use that term

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<Leeland1126> I believe 148 had started shooting high later in the season.

<TravisHoffman48> on CD

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<Guest 47> is 148 able to shoot from the key?

<NawaidLadak> they didn't win Orlando

<NawaidLadak> ...

<NawaidLadak> They lost to 233/1592 in the finals

<Guest 34> pretty sure guest 47

<Guest 47> they won south florida

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<Guest 49> is there audio yet?

<Hallry1676> yeah

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<Guest 51> mine is still buffering too

<Hallry1676> Hyatt at the Arch?

<TravisHoffman48> hyatt regency at the arch

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<grimtuesday> use Internet Explorer

<grimtuesday> that fixed it for me

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<Guest 13> 33 -- the killer bees ...

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<stevend223> 330 ARE one of the best robots of the year, though >__>

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<Guest 13> but they aren't the bees :P

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<Leeland1126> The 33 Robot is aesthetically stunning, and very scary on the field.

<Bryan33> Thank guys, we have some tricks up our sleeve for worlds.

<Hallry1676> Can't wait to see them

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<matt_FRCDesigns> Hey Bryan!

<stevend223> their preview video was cool and their chairman's video is aweomse

<stevend223> *awesome

<Guest 56> GrimTues, ur right, IE works better for TS

<Bryan33> Hey Matt

<Guest 16> but chrome...

<Guest 59> Chrome wasnt working for me, but IE fixed the problem.

<Bryan33> We beat them

<grimtuesday> ^^

<SuperNerd256> Firefox works great.

<grimtuesday> 1918 looks quite good, solid key shooter

<Guest 16> chrome didnt work, i refreshed, and like magic, everthing worked

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<tombot> There's a way you can stream the audio from VLC/WMP/etc, no?

<grimtuesday> 3rd and 4th picks at their other events

<Bryan33> Sorry, we beat 2337

<Baselthe2nd> 1918 was one of the best robots at MSC when they were on, but not great when they were off. Very hot and cold.

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<TravisHoffman48> minnesota

<Guest 13> 2169 != MI

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<TravisHoffman48> there ya go

<grimtuesday> I have to go but 3322 is a massive sleeper

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<Bryan33> 3322 is GOOD

<TravisHoffman48> extremely accurate

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<TravisHoffman48> fast loader

<TravisHoffman48> 4wd

<Guest 57> 3322 has insane accuracy from key, nowhere else

<TravisHoffman48> doesn't like the bridge

<stevend223> 48 are awesome this year

<IndySam> 48 who?

<Guest 47> who doesn't like the bridge?

<grimtuesday> 48 is lock territory

<jtemple> 7 awards thus far for 48 yes?

<matt_FRCDesigns> Travis: can you shoot over a tall robot from the key?

<grimtuesday> the finals at wisconsin were the best I've seen thus far

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<TravisHoffman48> yes

<TravisHoffman48> yes - we posted all the attempts - bad and otherwise

<matt_FRCDesigns> ok, just checking

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<grimtuesday> "strong team"

<TravisHoffman48> sure why not

<Hallry1676> video?

<stevend223> i was just thinking about that the other day...

<SuperNerd256> Match video?

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<karthik> #facepalm

<Guest 56> to be fair that year's game was an arm wrestling match

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<SuperNerd256> 1323 was one of the best scorers at CVR (excluding 1717)

<TravisHoffman48> ah the innocence of youth

<stevend223> well the video IS easy to find...

<SuperNerd256> link link link link

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<Bryan33> Who else in Galileo shoots the balls off the bridge in auto? 16?

<stevend223> 2007 defense is so awesome

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<matt_FRCDesigns> @Bryan 16 can

<SuperNerd256> 973 + 1717 would have won it. Two of the best swerves I've seen.

<Leeland1126> Does anyone else think 1323's robot is a little over complicated? A turret on a lift, right?

<Bryan33> Anyone else?

<tombot> 1717 and a rock would have won

<matt_FRCDesigns> Not that I can think quick off of my head

<jwfoss> leeland, at least it doesnt have swerve?

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<Leeland1126> Oh gosh... that's a good point.

<jwfoss> i kinda dig the lift

<matt_FRCDesigns> @Leeland you have a swerve and a turret  

<Meredith16> 2054 looked good at MSC. They have a big hook stinger.

<jwfoss> i dont think the turret was needed

<matt_FRCDesigns> Hey Colin!

<jtemple> 2054 REALLY reminds me of oldschool Team 60 robots. Dat powder coat <3

<stevend223> IMO whether a turret is needed or not depends on the drivetrain/drivers

<Guest 13> yes

<Leeland1126> That's what I was thinking. I love the robot. But it just seems kinda complicated.

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<Leeland1126> And I know Matt... In hindsight...

<Colinsanity> Hey what?

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<Bryan33> so 2054, 16, and 33? There has to be more than that?

<jwfoss> i dont think turrets were needed this year. but thats just me

<SuperNerd256> ^

<Leeland1126> I think turrets help. But are far from necessary defending on the rest of the robot.

<Guest 56> 148

<Leeland1126> *depending

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<jwfoss> and 8wd without a turret and a camera does just fine

<SuperNerd256> Turrets were useful in 2009 because the targets were moving. Now, the baskets are stationary and moving the robot is enough to score well.

<Guest 13> 1918 won 2010 MSC ...

<Guest 57> to not win champs i think

<Guest 56> 1718

<SuperNerd256> It would be like having a turreted elevator last year to hang the tubes.

<jwfoss> dumping robots were king of 2009 not turrets

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<SuperNerd256> Exactly

<Leeland1126> That's what I'm saying. If your robot can turn well enough, you don't need a turret. If you can't turn well, it would help.

<Guest 13> oops -- 1718 ...

<Bryan33> In regards to ball pinch, we basically found the amount of pinch where the ball's compression functions crossed (they arn't linear.)

<SuperNerd256> If your robot is having trouble turning, you may need to work on things other than a turret. :P

<jwfoss> ^exactly

<Leeland1126> Definitely. I'm just saying, there are circumstances where a turret would or would not help majorly.

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<Leeland1126> 77 who?

<IndySam> 77 who?

<Guest 16> sabre bytes

<SuperNerd256> Yeah, I understand (and agree) completely. Imagine 1717 without a turret. Still awesome, but not as aweosome.

<SuperNerd256> 772!

<pyeung45> 772!!!!

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<Guest 16> SEVEN SEVEN TWO

<jwfoss> leeland your just sparx brainwashed its cool

<Guest 68> THANKS KARTHIK!!!! its aaron

<matt_FRCDesigns> Hey Aaron!

<Leeland1126> Wait what? I don't understand... But yeah, I really am -_-

<SuperNerd256> I wish i were sparx brainwashed. Sounds fun...

<karthik> no problem

<Guest 68> HEY MATT! we are still making improvements btw

<matt_FRCDesigns> Can't wait to see them

<Leeland1126> I wish I knew what it meant to be SparX Brainwashed. Maybe being on other teams will reveal this.

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<matt_FRCDesigns> I am SparX brainwashed.......

<jwfoss> sometimes its good to learn from another team by really being with them

<nahstobor> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/37725

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<Leeland1126> That's what I'm hoping.

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<SabreBytes772> there now i have an account  

<jwfoss> hard to explain. but 3 teams later its been good to see all the difference

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<SabreBytes772> how do i change my colour?

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<Guest 70> is this Galileo?

<Guest 13> go to a tanning salon?

<Leeland1126> 125 improved quite a bit from NYC to Boston.

<Guest 69> how is everyone able to listen to this live?

<jwfoss> 125 plays smart and will continue to improve

<Guest 69> the audio has been buffering for 10 minutes for me

<jwfoss> i expect alot from them this year

<stevend223> amazing fender shooting

<stevend223> from 103

<nahstobor> refresh guest 69

<IndySam> switch browsers

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<ross1717> click the "trouble hearing" link

<Guest 59> girls from 103 asked 25 boys to prom  

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<Guest 59> haha

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<Guest 72> hopefully it works now

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<Guest 56> they have a bridge manip

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<Guest 56> yes

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<Guest 56> bridge d is usually a response to a lack of a triple for one side

<Leeland1126> 16 and 33... I can see that being a very strong alliance.

<wing1002> ok, see you guys on Newton call

<Guest 74> newton time?

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Andrew Schreiber

23-04-2012 22:54

Re: [EWCP] EWCPcast 4/22 and 4/23 Championship Preview

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<pyeung45> Mine has water pit map schedule etc

<IndySam> LF has posted

<Bryan33> sandals, socks, safety glasses

<Guest 53> well to start, it's all about the attitude.

<Guest 55> no its about the robots

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<wing1002> not stacked, just strong

<Guest 42> deep

<Guest 56> No, it's about the mechanum

<wing1002> it's deep

<wing1002> Archimedes is stacked

<wing1002> Newton is just strong

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<schreiaj> Sean keeps mecanum wheels in his backpack

<NawaidLadak> Even NBA players are copying Shaun 

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/kevin-durant-backpack.jpeg?w=320

<Guest 55> what about mechanum????

<Guest 42> archimedes is top heavy, imo

<SuperNerd256> Indy, I don't think LF posted...

<Hallry1676> yayyy!

<GabeSalas> lol

<Guest 25> LF did a synopsis

<SuperNerd256> I mean besides that.

<IndySam> it's a start

<IndySam> http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=105925

<Guest 25> promising more stuff later

<pyeung45> no divisions yet for LF

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<SuperNerd256> ISSAIC-

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<wing1002> NEWTON

<JacobP79> Newton

<Guest 56> PUSHING POWAH!!

<wing1002> and you are spelling it wrong

<wing1002> ISAAC*

<Guest 53> 469

<JacobP79> 79

<ross1717> 

<Guest 55> 7

<pyeung45> 1717 ftw

<Guest 56> 469

<Guest 56> 469

<ross1717> ^ let's hope

<Guest 56> 469

<Justin340> I can't seem to get past the buffering audio....please wait

<SuperNerd256> 1717 is the best robot in the game. 'Nuff said.

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<pyeung45> 1717, 469, 118

<SuperNerd256> ^

<wing1002> keep dreaming

<Guest 55> team 113 is gunna pwn on this field

<wing1002> that alliance will never happen

<Bryan33> A lot of that was because of 330 feeding wasn't it?

<Guest 25> 118 would no way be 24th robot 

<Guest 42> pyeung, wont happen

<Guest 56> Pwn?

<pyeung45> 973 was a sleeper last year

<Leeland1126> Until I see 1717 triple balance, I can't call them the best robot in the game.

<Guest 55> PAWN

<Guest 56> xX_CODpromaster_Xx

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<Bryan33> They had lots of balls to score?

<Guest 55> chess piece

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<wing1002> 67 is still the best to me

<GabeSalas> agree Leeland^

<Guest 29> They won as the only shooter, scoring 70+ every match

<Guest 23> very true leeland

<SuperNerd256> Las Penguinnauts FTW. (469, 1717, 118)

<pyeung45> ^

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<GabeSalas> granted, how many of those points are from hybrid?

<Guest 25> only at IRI 

<Guest 39> Kind of quoting Adam Freeman: 1717 can drive, and they can be wide, therefore they can triple.

<wing1002> practice

<Leeland1126> Once 1717 triples, then we can talk about them against HOT or 2056 or 341, etc. Until then, they have a lot to prove.

<wing1002> if they haven't done it in regulation yet

<Guest 56> Like a king

<wing1002> it will take time to adjust

<Guest 56> But not

<SuperNerd256> We tried playing defense against them: It did not work (and we play a good D)

<Leeland1126> Theoretical assumptions don't do it for me. No offense to the 1717 members on here in this cast.

<TheLucas365> they can be a sandwich in any triple

<Guest 39> ^

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<SuperNerd256> @Leland 1717 has never had the need to triple to win. We'll see it at champs.

<Guest 23> ball starvation

<pyeung45> starve them

<wing1002> 1717 shouldn't be the sandwich meat if they are wide

<Guest 53> Well do you have Mecanums for defense? If not you might as well give up.

<ross1717> in elims, a lot of their alliance members had com-issues, not giving them the chance to triple-balance.

<SuperNerd256> We starve...they go to the other side to get their balls back.

<Bryan33> Starve them of balls, force them to go to the other side to get them.

<wing1002> lol mecanum troll

<Leeland1126> Champs is a totally different game from regionals.

<Guest 23> lol @53

<pyeung45> block the bumb

<pyeung45> *bump

<SuperNerd256> They're too fast.

<Guest 55> my favorite alliance would probably be 113 as the lead, 4112 as the second pick due to their amazing ball pick up and lastly, 889 because their drivet

<Guest 39> They can be defended, but they're fast.

<SuperNerd256> They are really fast, and really maneuverable.

<Guest 42> l0l

<Guest 56> lol @53

<SuperNerd256> Although they do have 1 weakness people found.

<Bryan33> Thats not really defense..

<Guest 44> mecanums are obviously the best!! what are you guys thinking??

<Guest 42> being too fast?

<Guest 42> what?

<ross1717> @supernerd, what's the weakness?

<Guest 58> agree with 44

<Guest 62> pin them with 4ft per second 1st gear?

<Guest 55> macanums are dumb they have too much traction

<wing1002> guys, i do love the mecanum trolling

tombottiglieri is on the call

<Guest 40> they drive the swerve to well to get cornered

<Guest 56> Agree with 58 who agrees with 44

<wing1002> but you guys are giving me bad memories

<SuperNerd256> Your DT doesn't have the best traction. One practice match we pushed you out of shooting position and until you pushed back we controlled you.

<wing1002> because my team used mecanums, against my will

<Guest 2> 1241 played mad defence

<wing1002> and they paid the price...

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<ross1717> yeah I think the swerve is better at avoiding than pushing

<Guest 25> swerve should make getting away from pinning stuff ?

<Guest 56> But that mechanum, sheesh.

<Guest 56> NO competiton

<Guest 39> Square before it was cool.

<Bryan33> Their square

<JacobP79> square

<Guest 25> 469 -- it's hip to be square

<SuperNerd256> It's all driver practice, but so far IF you ever get a pin, you've got them down.

<Guest 25> fixed

<pyeung45> quadrangles 

<Guest 42> 469!!!!

<Guest 25> fold down a basket

<Guest 53> Yeah my team too. They were OK.

<Guest 40> they look tall because their drive base is small

<Bryan33> They are all thinwall aluminum tube. It weighs nothing.

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<Guest 56> @53: you're crazy

<Guest 55> swerve is weak!!! mecanum is the bomb diggity

<Guest 18> what's their ball collector?

<TheLucas365> pop down

<Guest 9> 469?

<Guest 39> 469 has a basket over bumper

<Guest 56> 469

<Guest 42> 469 ball collector is wacky

<Bryan33> Their ball collector is probably going 30fps

<Bryan33> It's fast

<Guest 56> Over 9000

<wing1002> but are the as good without 67?

<pyeung45> it they touch it it is theirs

<Guest 9> it works well though

<Guest 44> 111!!!! best team no question!!!

<Guest 55> 56 what are you trying to say?

<Guest 53> They look knid of ghetto for a power house robot.

<TheLucas365> does 469 have a coop bridge auto?

<Guest 29> 469 won the Detroit district without 67

<Leeland1126> 469 beat 67 twice at MSC, if I heard correctly.

<Bryan33> They carried dead 67 to win MSC.

<Guest 39> 1023 is good

<Guest 56> I'm sayin' you crazy

<Guest 18> 469 & 67 split at MSC

<Baselthe2nd> 67 looked better than 469 through districts, but 469 surpassed HOT at MSC

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<JacobP79> their robot is really cool

<Guest 56> What I want to know is key versus fender shot

<Bryan33> true fact

<Guest 25> and 67 beat 469 at waterford by 1 point 

<Guest 39> by penalty*

<TheLucas365> 330 and 548 should fence each other

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<Guest 55> 469 never beat 67

<Guest 18> key > fender

<Guest 39> not true^

<Guest 42> ^yeah, at msc

<Guest 39> 469 and 67 are 2-2

<Guest 9> 469 DID beat 67

<ross1717> @talker. So true

<wing1002> remember at MSC the alliance partners are also in the game

<Guest 56> @18: explain

<wing1002> at MSC the alliance partners make the difference

<Guest 53> Fender is so much more reliable though.

<wing1002> dude

<Leeland1126> I thought of the 548 design at the start of the season. Wrote it off as being too complicated and slow. Hindsight is 20/20, huh?

<Guest 18> being able to shoot from the key is more advantageous than from the fender

<Guest 46> they also tripled with 2054 which is a long bot

<Guest 18> *if you can do it well

<Guest 42> lol

<Guest 42> skunkworks

<pyeung45> lol

<Guest 58> @18: explain more

<Guest 29> #suckworks

<Guest 40> They nail every shot they take

<wing1002> unless you're 2056 and are dialed in as soon as you hit the fender, fender shooters will not be effective against defense

<SuperNerd256> #suckworks

<pyeung45> ^

<Guest 42> why do they suck?

<Guest 42> ?

<IndySam> it's a poor joke

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<JacobP79> its a joke from FRCtop25

<Guest 40> they don't, it was a joke from FRCtop25

<Justin340> They don't...

<IndySam> overused

<TravisHoffman48> ask justin

<Guest 25> it was a mike/justin in the am joke

<Guest 18> @58, you can't defend against the key... and you're closer to the middle of the field, making it faster to collect more balls

<SuperNerd256> It's a joke about their name and an FRC Top 25 cast

<NawaidLadak> wern't they seeded #1 at all three events?

<Guest 18> fender is too unreliable with defense

<TheLucas365> its a typo gone haywire

<nahstobor> does anyone have a picture of 1983

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<Guest 28> they're shorter than full though

<Guest 28> 10" short

<Guest 60> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXqgQSWsO0s&list=UUIwSAPgJ6XJyINNtNpqK2SA&index=2&feature=plcp

<Guest 29> 469 is 2-2 against 67 in qualifications

<Guest 40> 1983 isn't full length

<Guest 28> they're almost square

<Guest 56> But fender, being closer, allows for possibly more accuracy

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<wing1002> ROBONAUTS!

<Guest 55> 118 is overrated

<pyeung45> so hot

<wing1002> Especially their lightning bolt

<SuperNerd256> I love Endeavor.

<nahstobor> 118 is not overrated my friends

<Guest 53> They may be pretty but they're overrated.

<Guest 56> 118's hanging mechanism was something to love

<pyeung45> conneticut....

<Guest 18> someone link to 118?

<Guest 44> 118 is overrated....

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<Leeland1126> 118 from Alamo would drown at champs. 118 from Lone Star, on the other hand...

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<Guest 46> agreed overly complicated

<Guest 55> i love the robonauts mecanum drivetrain, its the best

<Guest 56> 118 from Lone Star was pretty good

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<wing1002> 118 is still pretty good

<schreiaj> cannot-connecticut

<Bryan33> Less so than last year

<Guest 53> They had so many problems at Lone Star

<Guest 44> agree with 55!!

<wing1002> THeir stinger was not doing well at Lone Star

<pyeung45> they are still a fst shooter

<Leeland1126> And 118's robots are always quite complicated. 2008 and 2011 come to mind.

<Guest 56> No it was not

<Guest 56> And 2012

<SuperNerd256> 118's robot: http://vimeo.com/37293255

<pyeung45> chainzilla 2008

<wing1002> OMG the 2011 robot

<TheLucas365> this year it doesnt go out of its way to look like a dragon

<Guest 56> Their loading/shooting mech.

<wing1002> that thing was so complicated

<Guest 56> ....

<wing1002> but such a beauty

<Guest 56> Too much

<SabreBytes772> upgrading is key

<Guest 55> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much machining

<Guest 56> @55: YES

<Guest 58> agreed

<Guest 56> Have you gotten up close to see it?!

<Leeland1126> 118's consistent improvement this year has been astounding. From no longer having a balancing device to being one of the best all around robots.

<Guest 55> van gough on the robot

<Guest 9> so, actuality, how good is 469?

<Guest 42> 330 is stubborn

<SuperNerd256> The '05 arm...

<Guest 42> arm always

<Guest 56> @55: YEUH

<Guest 62> 330 is legit

<Guest 42> agreed

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<Guest 53> I'm not feeling the arm mechanisms. I don't think they should be a lock. maybe a tip.

<Guest 56> 2012 robot = a fricken spaceship machined into the bot

<thefro526> 469 is the real deal @G9

<SuperNerd256> 330 is just plain awesome.

<Guest 56> Ridiculous

<Bryan33> @9: they have lost 3 matches playing in michigan.. pretty good.

<Guest 39> Experience with 1717? Could be repeated?

<Guest 62> they can score many balls in the two minutes

<Guest 55> but 118 got sooooo lucky in finals at lonestar when the other robot got disabled...

<Guest 62> 12-15

<SuperNerd256> @53, if you knew 330, you'd say they're a lock

<ross1717> 330 EVERY YEAR makes such a strong, stable, robust robot

<Guest 62> 330 drivetrain FTW

<Guest 58> @55: robonauts just got lucky at lonestar

<SuperNerd256> They were

<Guest 53> 1477. They were disabled for the two final matches.

<pyeung45> how old is the driver now? 8th grader lol

<Guest 42> idk

<schreiaj> 7th

<Guest 55> seriously the other team had the potential to beat them!

<Guest 39> 548 can

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<Guest 39> key

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<Guest 25> no they don't

<Guest 39> 548 is good from key

<Bryan33> false

<Guest 25> 548 showed key at msc

<TheLucas365> 1983 also played D in finals

<Guest 39> at MSC they did well

<Guest 25> and well

<Guest 40> No, 548 is good from the key. better than 330

<SuperNerd256> I met their driver. He is a little kid! But still an awesome guy.

<TheLucas365> fed 2122

<wing1002> 118 wasn't lucky

<Guest 18> 330's drive coach was the best driver in the history of first IMO (Shane)

<wing1002> they had skill

<Guest 53> I like their paint scheme.

<thefro526> 548's key shot is why they're ranked over 330

<SabreBytes772> dont know if anyone else noticed this but pit maps are out

<wing1002> it took skill to come back from that 36-24 defecit in Semi 1-2

<Guest 58> if 1477 wasn't disabled 118 would've gotten WRECKED

<wing1002> and to score 106 points without a triple

<SabreBytes772> http://postimage.org/image/qg1w2l945/full/

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<wing1002> 1477 is overrated a bit

<Justin340> False

<Guest 55> yes^

<Guest 53> What kind of numbers has 330 put up?

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<JacobP79> ^

<Guest 55> to wing

<SabreBytes772> 1477 is underrated and hey justin!

<SuperNerd256> 330 played some of the best physical D I've seen.

<Justin340> 1477 is the real deal

<JacobP79> ^

<Justin340> Hey Aaron!

<wing1002> 1477 did not perform well at Lone Star

<Bryan33> Hey, we're next to 48 and across from 25 in the pits, Sweet.

<wing1002> and i'm not talking about the matches where they were dead

<wing1002> they did not do as well as 118 and 359

<Bryan33> and one pit over form 16

<Bryan33> from*

<Justin340> 1477 is 41-8

<Guest 56> 1477 = overrated

<Justin340> 2 regional wins

<Baselthe2nd> Bryan, I am quite jealous of your low number

<Guest 44> 111 pwns some serious nubs........

<Justin340> 1 finalist losing to 118 and 359

<Bryan33> lol

<wing1002> 111 is strong

<wing1002> but compared to the others?

<Justin340> what part of that is overrated?

<wing1002> look at 354

<wing1002> 254*

<SuperNerd256> 111 is great. Wished they had a swerve this year.

<Guest 56> Data doesn't tell you everything about a team's performance

<wing1002> @Justin340

<jtemple> I think 1477 is getting just the attention they deserve this year...

<wing1002> 1477 has two regional wins

<wing1002> yes

<Guest 58> @56: SO TRUE

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<IndySam> I hear their coach is OK 

<Guest 39> I heard they're working on a new system- any details?

<wing1002> but look at the Lone Star performance

<Guest 55> i <3 56!!!

<Leeland1126> If you're going to call a team overrated, please justify it.

<wing1002> Lone Star had Championship competition

<pyeung45> raul is pretty great

<Guest 29> Dustin, what happened to the 111's close the loop system you bragged about?

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<wing1002> and 1477 is good, but are not better than 118

<Justin340> and they were finalists

<pyeung45> yeah

<Guest 55> because the other team carried them

<Guest 53> Does 111 have a stinger? I can't tell from the photo.

<wing1002> not necessarily 55

<wing1002> 624 was good as well

<Guest 58> 624 carried 1477

<Justin340> And we are just dismissing their 2 regional wins and 40 match wins?

<Bryan33> I believe 111 does.

<wing1002> no of course not

<SuperNerd256> Has 111 won the most championship titles?

<wing1002> no

<wing1002> 71

<Justin340> They are Top 15 overall

<Guest 39> 111 done any triples?

<Justin340> maybe not better then 118

<jtemple> 71 has 4. 67 and 111 have 3

<SuperNerd256> How many has 71 won?

<wing1002> really?

<Guest 29> 71 has 4 championship wins, 67 and 111 have 3

<Justin340> but not overrated

<wing1002> perhaps

<TheLucas365> can 842 score consistently from key?

<pyeung45> 71 should have 5...darn 2007

<Guest 56> 1477 isn't even on this field

<wing1002> 1477's adjusted OPR (the one that you can actually compare to other regionals) is not as high as others..

<wing1002> i think 1477 came up when someone said 118 was overrated and 1477 was better

<Guest 53> So what about 842? I haven't heard much about them.

<wing1002> 842 is good

<pyeung45> they have brakes

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<SuperNerd256> Many teams have brakes.

<schreiaj> OPR is a worthless metric this year, and 1477 isn't on this field, why were they brought up aside from someone having a grudge?

<Guest 53> They don't look too impressive from their picture...

<IndySam> only works from one side

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<SabreBytes772> we are going to fender now  its so easy!!! I LOVE SHOOTING FROM THEIR!

<Guest 55> there*

<SuperNerd256> ^

<Guest 42> fender is easy to defend though

<Guest 75> hiii

<Guest 25> good no tracking -- no retro reflect visible 

<SabreBytes772> yea then we go to the key!

<wing1002>  @schreiaj, because someone said 118 was overrated and 1477 was better ;P

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<schreiaj> Fair enough

<wing1002> OPR is worthless across regionals, but what about adjusted OPR?

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<Guest 55> key shooting is more efficiant if they are dialed in

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<SabreBytes772> our robot is originally a key shooter. We slowed down the shooter for fender shots. if we need to change i press a button and we shoot from key 

<Guest 56> Fender shot = death

<wing1002> isnt' adjusted OPR taking into account the competitiveness of the regional?

<Guest 55> efficient*

<GabeSalas> is there any audio?

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<Leeland1126> Bots from the fender need to be VERY wary of defense. Regional defense is usually nothing to champ defense.

<rsisk101> They shoot from the side of the fender which is unique

<rsisk101> 842 does

<TheLucas365> not totally, the graph between all regional is not well connected

<Guest 29> adjusted OPR only takes into account co-op balancing. It doesn't adjust for regional strength or anything else

<schreiaj> OPR isn't a useful metric because the sum of the teams in an alliance is != their actual scoring capability because of the tactical complexity of this

<thefro526> Gabe, if you're missing audio trying refreshing

<Baselthe2nd> Adjusted OPR takes into account the Coop Bridge. It just adds points for teams' coop points

<schreiaj> +game

<Guest 25> lights out shooter in detroit

<wing1002> oh

<GabeSalas> thanks fro - will do

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<Leeland1126> I loved watching 1023 at MSC

<nahstobor> OPR doesn't work very well this year...

<Guest 25> had tough time at msc

<Justin340> prob Top 5 in MI

<Guest 53> Does 1023 have a stinger as well?

<Guest 46> yes

<Guest 39> Tough time on the Bridge, didn't use balancer.

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<Guest 39> No brakes at MSC, fell over a lot.

<TheLucas365> Ed law seem to use all match data across reg in one OPR solve

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<wing1002> yea, my team's OPR was last ranked in the region, but we definitely scored all of our alliance's points, despite a losing record

<Guest 55> who will win this field?

<SuperNerd256> Halved, not doubled.

<Guest 46> 469

<wing1002> 1717

<Justin340> No wins, decent shooter

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<Guest 18> haha isn't this whole game a shooting game?

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<Guest 55> so 469 or 1717?

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<wing1002> BOTH

<Guest 18> all the best robots can balance. the difference will be in the shooting

<Guest 46> no its more of a bridge game

<Guest 25> except for the detail of the coop bridge ...

<Guest 56> 469

<wing1002> unless someone else gets to first seed

<TheLucas365> I think 222 is adding a speed sensor

<Guest 55> which one?!?!?

<wing1002> then... look out for the "scorched Earth"

<Guest 56> 469

<wing1002> 469

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<Guest 56> Actually, scratch that

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<Guest 56> 1114

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<Guest 39> 2056

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<Guest 55> oooohhhh

<wing1002> 67

<TheLucas365> they were operating w/o speed control

<SuperNerd256> Is "scorched Earth" a simple feeding and starvation tactic?

<wing1002> no

<wing1002> that's an alliance selection tactic

<Guest 18> if 330/548 wins #1 seed, who do they pick? does that robot accept?

<wing1002> you make al top 8 seeds decline you

<Guest 56> 469

<SuperNerd256> Oh, I get it now.

<wing1002> then no uber alliances can be picked

<wing1002> and it's fair game

<jtemple> SuperNerd, See Newton 06 for Scorched Earth

<SabreBytes772> woot woot!!!!

<Guest 53> I like how 610 looks.

<Guest 2> love 610

<Guest 39> Why do people think scorched earth is more likely here than other divisions

<Guest 42> if 548 gets #1, they will pick 469

<Guest 42> if 330 gets #1, they will pick 1717

<wing1002> the strength of the division

<Baselthe2nd> 548 is so good at balancing, can hang so far off, no teams will have qualms about tripling with them. I could see 1717 or 469 accepting.

<Guest 62> 300 gets #1 you go with them

<Guest 39> 548's third best no doubt

<SuperNerd256> I wonder how 1717 would be if they had two feeder bots on the other side, and they were the sole scorer. A possible strategy?

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<wing1002> if 469 or 1717 doesn't get first seed, you can get some uber alliances in the top 8

<Guest 39> Not if the other bots can score

<Baselthe2nd> Additionally, they aren't going to just pick 469 because Michigan. They'll pick the best team.

<Guest 2> gtr east was intense

<wing1002> so thats why i think the scorched earth would work

<SabreBytes772> sooooo close!

<Guest 62> 1717 can put up more than 20 balls

<Guest 25> 5 robots is pretty crowded in any end of the field

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<Leeland1126> In all honesty, if that were the case Supernerd, they'd probably get robbed of ballsd.

<Leeland1126> *balls

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<Guest 39> 469 can put up the balls they can pick up, 1717 the same

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<Guest 25> they have to get 20 balls to put up -- that's what a lot of the starvation discussion is about

<wing1002> yea...

<Guest 18> @39, so who picks up more balls then?

<SuperNerd256> They can collect so fast and score so fast that even if the opponents start taking them back they'll have to fight for balls.

<wing1002> that's the general feel of FRC vets

<JacobP79> T3

<wing1002> mecanum wheels are DERP

<Guest 55> starvation?

<Guest 39> They both get all that are available is my guess.

<Guest 29> no time limit for the best division

<Guest 53> a dumper?

<Leeland1126> Haha Matt takes over here 

<SuperNerd256> I just know it got to a point at CVR where in some matches 1717 had to scavenge for balls when they shouldn't have needed to.

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<Guest 62> if there are no balls then nobody is scoring

<Guest 39> ^

<Leeland1126> 340 can play pretty much every aspect of this game right now.

<jtemple> ...except 3 pointers

<jtemple> :P

<JacobP79> One of the best 2 point bots in this game

<Guest 46> i love all the long bots talking about how far they can hang off the bridge

<rsisk101> you need defensive robots that know how to scoop up balls and get tehem over to the shooters

<Guest 55> 3>2

<Leeland1126> 3*2 = 2*3

<rsisk101> math is hard

<Guest 42> 3*3 > 2*3

<wing1002> math is easy

<matt_FRCDesigns> How did I do Justin?

<Leeland1126> 3*3 is harder than 2*3

<matt_FRCDesigns> 

<Guest 55> 3*3 > 2*3

<Guest 39> Not from the fender

<JacobP79> Andrew, take over here

<Guest 25> 3*2*1 = 3+2+1 ?

<Leeland1126> Depends on the shooter.

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<Justin340> You did good, thanks for the kind words

<Justin340> I hope we can bring it

<Guest 42> well*

<Guest 56> 133*1 > 132

<Leeland1126> I'll defend 340 to the end Justin 

<Guest 42> 426652356 > 23414

<matt_FRCDesigns> you can and will. have my number on speedial in case 

<wing1002> yes, we get it

<Justin340> hahaha thanks Leeland

<wing1002> i can do math too

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<Guest 56> Math is hard

<Guest 42> ^

<schreiaj> congrats you all can do math...

<Guest 55> math are hard*

<Guest 56> SO much math

<Guest 53> Math is SO hard.

<SuperNerd256> Do the math, save the world.

<Guest 56> At LEAST 10 math

<Guest 42> 2+2=5

<Guest 46> they have a 67 inspired stinger

<Guest 42> 4x4=12

<Baselthe2nd> My Calc class finished last week, so I forgot all math

<Guest 25> 2834 has a solid auto

<Leeland1126> this is NOT 1984

<Guest 55> at least 7!

<Justin340> This chat has taken on a life of its own 

<Guest 53> No it's 4 but you were so close

<Guest 25> have shown solid shooting

<Bryan33> 2834: Very good shooter, very smart, a little rough on balancing.

<wing1002> my calc class finishes on april 30th

<wing1002> Good old Line Integrals and Green's Theorem

<Guest 25> have shown sketchy bridge manipulation

<Guest 25> and are tall

<nahstobor> buzzzzz

<Guest 56> Tall = bridge horrors

<Baselthe2nd> 2834, when undefended, score score score and score more

<Guest 55> love carnage

<wing1002> it depends on weight

<Baselthe2nd> But when defended, have issues

<Guest 55> on the bridge

<wing1002> even if you are tall, you can balance well

<wing1002> 2415 can double in about 3 seconds and they are at the height limit

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<thefro526> It's about CG, not height

<Guest 25> height limit isn't the issue, it's where the weight is

<wing1002> yea

<Baselthe2nd> I've seen 2834 hit a dozen out of a dozen shots in a match

<wing1002> which is what i'm saying

<Guest 55> more about height

<Guest 25> they fell several times at msc

<Guest 53> Yeah band 2834 look really top heavy.

<nahstobor> It's about will and want, not CG or Height

<Guest 56> Carnage on the bridge gets the crowd going

<Guest 56> And heaven knows robotics competitions can use that

<Guest 55> CARNAGE!

<wing1002> nah, i dont like bridge carnage

<wing1002> double triples are cooler

<SuperNerd256> Sparx brainwashing.

<Guest 29> Does anyone have a picture of 191?

<Guest 56> CG and height play a big role in what's within one's means...

<GabeSalas> Baselthe2nd - you can say the same with most teams when playing defensively

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<Guest 42> i feel bad about cackling maniacally whenever a robot tips over

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<Guest 42> sorry, i can't help it

<Guest 55> i like it when robots on both ends flip

<Guest 53> Luckily I haven't seen any major problems resulting from bridge carnage.

<Guest 83> http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/053/9/3/2012_x_cat_robot__exxio_auditonimous_robot_card_fr_by_kokoed

<Baselthe2nd> Based on the scouting I've done, no, I really can't. Lots of teams miss open shots. 2834 doesn't.

<nahstobor> link doesn't work

<nahstobor> guest 83

<Guest 29> It took 191 15 years to win a regional

<Leeland1126> So.Much.Trouble. 

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<rsisk101> Gotta bail and go train FLL judges. You all have a great night

<wing1002> have fun!

<rsisk101> Great cast as always

<Guest 42> gn

<GabeSalas> good luck richard 

<Leeland1126> We're working on it 

<nahstobor> You would pick a MAR team

<rsisk101> Hi Gabe, see you in St. LOuis?

<Guest 55> 

<wing1002> MOE!

<SuperNerd256> GO MOE!

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<GabeSalas> Absolutely - getting two teams ready for St. Louis 

<rsisk101> rockin!

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<Guest 29> No love for 1540?

<matt_FRCDesigns> Hows that Leeland?

<Guest 83> Oops

<TheLucas365> yup

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<grimtuesday> sooo, pit map is out

<Leeland1126> Sorry, team policy. Can't talk about it 

<GabeSalas> those wheels 

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<grimtuesday> http://postimage.org/image/qg1w2l945/full/

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<Guest 53> Wow. 1126 is really tall.

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<Leeland1126> Yeah, we're up there.

<TheLucas365> change in shooter sprockets

<Guest 56> :P

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<Guest 56> XD

<Guest 55> 

<matt_FRCDesigns> @Leeland did I give a good overview?

<Leeland1126> Yeah, you covered the robot really well!

<Guest 81> 2122=sleeper?

<Guest 53> Leeland, are the bridges really challenging for you guys?

<Guest 25> like real estate -- schedule schedule schedule ...

<Guest 25> 38 w 62l ?

<Leeland1126> They were really bad for us at FLR

<TheLucas365> 26 wide in gdoc

<wing1002> Scorched Earth might be seen during alliance selections (i'm a broken record)

<Guest 42> 26 wide

<Guest 42> 43 long

<Leeland1126> But we haven't fallen over yet 

<grimtuesday> 1717 seeds first, 469 rejects, 469 chooses 610, 1717 chooses 548 and wins the division

<TheLucas365> not complete info

<Guest 73> 1983 is square

<Guest 73> squareish

<Guest 53> Well that's fortunate.

<Guest 56> 2 wide + 1 long vs. 2long + 1 wide

<Guest 62> 469 rejects?

<Guest 56> Thoughts?

<Guest 25> no way ...

<grimtuesday> does 1717 have a stinger now?

<Guest 56> Opinions?

<Bryan33> 469 would never reject that

<Guest 18> @grim. you crazy

<Leeland1126> We're making some major changes for champs, so we're hoping things will work out better.

<Baselthe2nd> Why would 469 reject 1717?

<Guest 81> triples can be defended

<Guest 3> why would 469 reject

<wing1002> 469 would have to be insane to do that

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<Guest 42> pretty much

<grimtuesday> 469 has rarely been the primary balancer in the alliance

<schreiaj> if they think they can build a better alliance without them?

<Guest 56> @81: and?

<Guest 25> have to have been smoking their bananas 

<Guest 29> Anyone in the division have a ball off the co-op bridge auto?

<Guest 62> 469 can be the last one on watch michigan

<Baselthe2nd> Andrew, based on current info, that's extremely unlikely

<schreiaj> I agree

<Guest 25> ah 469 did the triples with 1023 at detroit

<grimtuesday> true

<schreiaj> But this is CMP, stranger things have happened

<Guest 25> and half of them at msc, 67 the other half

<Baselthe2nd> Just making sure.. I've heard some weird things from people recently

<GabeSalas> the issue with out scoring, between two robots to score an additional 7 balls within 30 seconds is tough but manageable

<Baselthe2nd> True

<TheLucas365> tough to practice triple on practice feild?

<Guest 3> 548 needs like 18 inches on the bridge

<Guest 18> haha i haven't seen anything stranger than 469 rejecting 1717 as #1 seed

<Leeland1126> If 1717 seeds first, they will have their invitation accepted. Not because 469 thinks they could build a better alliance, but to face 1717 is dangerou

<Guest 40> 1983 is short (32") and can hang a lot off the bridge too

<Guest 39> less than wide bot

<SuperNerd256> I can see a feeder bot just duking them out in the last 30 seconds as the opponents balance, 1717 scoring at least 7, and feeder ends with a 2Balananc

<Guest 29> no love for the PNW: 1540, 2122

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<grimtuesday> where will you guys be?

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<NawaidLadak> will there be another "general" cast with picks and other cool stuff like that?

<wing1002> autographs? :P

<Baselthe2nd> 548 can definitely balance with another suitable longbot. We balanced with them in a practice match at MSC.

<SuperNerd256> 'night!

<Baselthe2nd> triple balance, that is*

<Bryan33> Feel free to stop by 33's pits

<jtemple> Grim, we'll be...everywhere, lol

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