Two wides vs Two longs
 

On Einstein will we see an alliance of two long robots and do you think they will be able to make up the point difference that the amount time spent on the triple will cause?

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2 well driven longs with off center weight and a wide can triple faster than you think...

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Agree 100%. A long with 1/3 of the robot hung off is less than many wide robots. Throw on a stinger and some mechanical brakes and its easy peasy.

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1717 can be both long and wide with their swerve drive. I think it's going to be them, 469 (wide), and most likely another wide robot to easily triple, but they could very well do a long robot.

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Wouldn't know haven't seen it. Where did it happen? Not saying It did just curious where. Triples weren't that big in the south east =)

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We tripled on the practice field with a long/mecanum/long. The first long bot turned sideways, as did the mecanum, and the third long bot pushed both sideways. Buzz Team 175 has a heavy end and a brake, giving them ability to push us both sideways and hang off the edge. With more practice, or a wide base in the middle, it could be faster (30 seconds)

http://youtu.be/_-BasVh4beo

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Two very high power alliance have a high chance of being on Einstein with 2 wide 1 long: 341/987 and 469/1717. We'll see how it plays out.

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Post 52 and 57 for 2 of many examples...

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...=105775&page=4

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Thats insane/awesome. 4 seconds?

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I personally think that there is going to be an alliance that triples consistently on Einstein with 2 long robots that stay in the long orientation. Everyone is going to pass over on long bots for wide ones and a good long robot with a stinger is going to fall to an alliance that will take a chance on having two long robots and realize that they can balance just as easily.

I am pretty biased in this statement however because I'm hoping 694's robot ends up on an alliance like this as that team that people sleep on because they are long.

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I see two wide based (for ease of the tripple) and one long base (to play fender defense on the other alliance). Watch the final rounds of Spokane, I predict that we will see a lot of games played similarly to that, minus the fact that they couldn't triple.

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Michigan State Championship
San Diego
New York City
Boilermaker
GTR-East
Possibly elsewhere.

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Add CT to that list. Three eliminations alliances pulled off triples, each of which had a long bot.

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None of them had TWO long bots though.

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See link in post 8 above...

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Michigan State Championship
GTR-East
San Diego
New York (by wording but not by spirit of your question)

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MSC Finals 1 had 2054 and 548 (both long) on the ends of a triple

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GTR East doesn't count unless you're considering teams with swerve drive long.
I believe you were referring to:

4307 (Square)
1075 (Swerve, went up in wide orientation)
548 (Long, with weight shift)

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Anybody remember what the Portland #8 alliance was in terms of long and wide? I want to say 2 long, 1 not sure, but I'm not sure on any of them.

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Portland was 1 long and 2 wide. 1 of the wide bots was really short, and one was a fairly full size wide bot.

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Yeah. 3711 was the alliance captain as a long bot. They selected my old team 360, a full-size wide bot, and then immediately selected 956, an extremely-short wide bot.

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I think that it is more likely that the top alliance will consist of 2 of the greatest tele-op scoring machines and an excellent defensive robot. At the highest level 2 robots can score as effectively as 3, and I would bet that the 3rd robot on the winning alliance is going to make it happen by preventing ANY balancing for the loosing (2nd place) alliance.

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I think 4307 was slightly long but not close to max dimentions. Also if it does count we've been apart of 2 of these (MSC).

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You forgot to mention... 360 has 6 wheel drive and can hang over 1/3 of their bot off the bridge as can 3711...


Also at Seattle I saw both these teams practice triples. 3711 was with a wide and long and from watching them and some other alliances$@# I highly doubt many teams will succeed at triples with 2 longs.
On the other hand 360 practiced with 2 very good short bots (with stingers) who balanced very easily. The bots where very equal in weight so the bridge balanced immediately without assistance.

All of cd is talking about balancing with long bots, yeah it's possible but it is defiantly slower then three short bots....