Einstein 2012
 

Wow. we have 4 teams on Einstein now.

Who do YOU want to win?

EDIT: I can't match an alliance to their division. Help?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Bombsquad/180/25 are who im rooting for.

In reality I think Canada will win.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I think canada is going to take home double gold this year, einstein and simbotics winning cca.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Let's check out the alliances!

Archimedes: 1114, 2056, 4334
Curie: 233, 987, 207
Galileo: 16, 25, 180
Newton: 118, 2194, 548


I am personally rooting for 16, 25, 180.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

1114/2056/4334, otherwise known as The Eh Team, look like they can take it.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I'm rooting for Newton. They've shown their strength! Even the Canada alliance will need to watch out for them.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

118, 2194, 548

Fondy Fire all the way!

Re: Einstein 2012
 

233/987/207 has put up 116, 110, and 100 points without a triple balance. 987 is absolutely on fire in the offensive zone. It's going to take some incredible play to slow them down.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

The Einstein Webcast has not started yet, correct? I'm still seeing the sponsor videos.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Quick Reference:


Curie

http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/233
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/987
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/207


Galileo

http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/180
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/25
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/16


Archimedes

http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/2056
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/1114
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/4334


Newton

http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/548
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/118
http://frclinks.frclinks.com/t/2194

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Go 16, 25, 180 !

When does Einstein start?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Id LOVE to see Arch take home the gold, but i too hope bomb squad's alliance can make it to finals.
Also, 1114 has been plagued by issues on and off this season... I truly hope they play at their full potential.

Imagine being a first year rookie team and winning CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Rootin' for the Michigan team.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

If 2056 is going to get it's Championship win, this is the time. However they have to get though a really, really good Curie alliance. That's going to be close, but I'll take the solid triple balance of Archimedies.

Newton v. Galileo will be a fun match-up. Not sure who would win that one though, it's very close.

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Who would've thought that the 2056/1114 alliance would be the best at triple balancing going in to Einstein?

I didn't think they could do it, let alone pull it off quickly and consistently.

I'm interested in seeing 16's defence against Newton before predicting who's going to win. I would like Team Canada to win though.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

It should start at 5.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Go Pink Metal Rollers!!!

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Lost audio on feed. :-(

Re: Einstein 2012
 

And the audio returns!

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Will 1114/2056 keep there streak of winning together? They have won at every event they have been aligned together at right?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

They played together at champs in 09 and lost in the divisional semis.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I thought so. Check my post in the Archimedes thread.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Let the fun begin.

Edit: I just realized 177's Einstein spree is over. :-/

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Some quick stats for the winning alliances.

(Based on division qual match data)

Re: Einstein 2012
 

But the UTC streak is alive. A member of the "UTC block" has been on Einstein every single year the division format has existed.

2001: 177
2002: 180
2003: 175
2004: 175
2005: 175
2006: 177
2007: 177
2008: 177
2009: 177
2010: 177
2011: 177
2012: 180

In reality, it's a streak of teams 175, 177, and 180 more than the whole UTC block, but whatever.


e; I'm pretty sure Dean was talking through the entire 3rd period of the Washington-New York game.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Are they using Super Smash Brothers jingles for their intros for each of the speakers?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

did they say the kinect is required next year?

I missed it and apparently they said it.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I hope not...
And 118 looked dead for match 1?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Unfourtunately that wouldnt surprise me.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I want to know the answer to this too. Sounds eerily similar.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Yes... :( I don't know details.

Is it just me, or is middle red team's robot down also in the second match?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

4334 looked dead also...
This is disappointing dead robots on Einstein..

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Red 2, twice in a row...

All three red robots had no connection at the end.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

CURY FURY *CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP*!

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Another dead robot, 4334, might be the same Alliance station.

And 1114 might've died midway through, not sure what happened in the last 30 or so seconds.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Exact same station in both matches. Could be coincidence but we'll see in match 3.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Definitely Red 2 in both matches. Possibly coincidence, of course. But if Red 2 is down in any of the next matches, there will be no end to the howls of protest and outrage, and rightfully so.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Think there will be calls to move away from wifi back to radios on the robots?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

If I was on a better phone, I'd start. It's been ridiculous all year.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Its important to consider the fact that 118 and 1114 have had their fair share of com/electrical issues this year.

If there is a bug in their system, it only makes sense that it would rear its ugly head during Einstein.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

All I know is Lucien Junkin from 118 was pushing hard for getting 364 into Lone Star and trying to troubleshoot their vexing communications issues. If the Newton alliance goes down because of mysterious comms issues that FIRST won't take the blame for.... Well lets just say Lucien will probably briefly be visible from space.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

They are, most of them are from Starfox to be exact.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Matches are being redone.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I like this.

EDIT: 118 still looks dead........

Re: Einstein 2012
 

OMFG! Sanity prevails! It's unprecedented!

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Very GP for them to replay those matches. :)

Edit: Oh no 118...

Re: Einstein 2012
 

118 dead again anyway...

Re: Einstein 2012
 

They're still dead!

Re: Einstein 2012
 

118 Still dead? This seems somewhat ridiculous.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

We'l have to see how match 2 plays out. If its the same exact situation again FIRST will lose quite a bit of credibility.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Clearly turning it off and on again didn't fix the problem.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Replay again?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

IFI! IFI! IFI! This is stupid they are not checking any field systems only checking teams robots.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I'm kinda disappointed in FIRST's troubleshooting skills. The changed nothing and got the same result, and we now know absolutely nothing new from running that match.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Now is the real test...

If they can't fix the problem, can we move to another field?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

You know what happens when you make assumptions...

Unless you are truly down there on Einstein, then your comment may very well be legitimate.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Where has this field been as far as regionals go?

Isn't this supposed to be a new, unused field?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

the other fields have been torn down already

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Einstein is typically the "spare field" through the regional season, and Einstein is the first event it is used.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

EDIT: wait what? did the issue just jump from 2056 to 1114?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Who won semi 2-1?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Did they switch the cables? 2056 out but in red station 3 (or 1).

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Seems everyone is running this match :D
So close in scores.

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At this rate... Blue alliance will win Einstein...

... really?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

simbotics died at end of match and op died at beginning.....

This is completely unfair.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Looks like there is a bug in the system... and its on Reds alliance station

Re: Einstein 2012
 

It looked like 2056 went out in the last match. Then they came back, and 1114 went out. This is odd.

I guess the real test is going to be when Curie faces Galileo. If the red alliance experiences communication difficulties, I'd find it exceptionally hard to write off as a specific robot issue.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

And 4334 worked through auton and is down again. And 1114 down towards the end of the match again. Pretty much exactly what happened in the first match. It'll be interesting if things are different when robots get shuffled to different stations.

As an alternative, there was that whole super-awesome industrial radio solution they had for horrible wifi environments. I wonder if they could implement that quickly?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

They're supposed to be able to.

For regionals, it was supposed to be on hand, and the system would work more manual than the current system. Each team should be handed a pre-configured DIR-825 and the system can be configured. The only problem with Operation Bondé is that it was designed for Regionals, and the decision should have been decided on Wednesday or Thursday, not today. A more beneficial approach would be to ask the audience to turn off their electronics (cell phones, mp3 players (with WiFi integration), tablets, and PCs).

Re: Einstein 2012
 

If I was red I would boycott playing unless I was on the blue side. And call a timeout so the field crew can fix the field

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I guess championship goes to blue...

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I wonder what the 'known issue' was that they found with the field. Since they're not going to tell us for a little while, this is my theory:

if you look at the FMS Twitter Feed, you'll see one tweet from the first playing of the first semifinal match. Notice that the hashtag denoting the field is "FRCTEST", not "FRCCMP", like it should be (second linked tweet is the replay of that match). To me, this looks like the FMS was identifying itself as "test".

Not being extremely familiar with how the FMS works, I'm not sure how this would affect match operation, but this could possibly be what the field technicians found...

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Lol nice someone said that in mad stream chat

Wait, did they call timeout during award ceremonies? Can they do that? (ie. they would have had the time anyway because of them...)

Re: Einstein 2012
 

118 dead

Re: Einstein 2012
 

And 118 still down. Guess we won't know if it's a Red station issue until the finals. In other news, I'm finding the announcer incredibly insulting talking about the blue alliance putting on a scoring demonstration.....

Re: Einstein 2012
 

These constant comm issues are just embarrassing.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Weather Underground says tornado warning for the St. Louis area... Anybody know if the dome area is in its path?

I find this whole thing a bit screwy.

Although 16/25/180 are awesome bots, I can't help but feel 118 could have put on a great show. My sympathy to them for the terrible FMS issues they've experienced this season.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

This just seems to be the perfect storm. (pun intended)

All we need now is Curie winning.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

If they are on blue they will :rolleyes:

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Dear blue alliance, please refuse to play finals. All teams know it is unfair...

Re: Einstein 2012
 

The on-screen scoreboard also showed "TEST". Fixing that doesn't seem to have changed anything, though.

2056 just got the Quality award, good for them. But the problem is obviously on their side, right FIRST?

Re: Einstein 2012
 

That sounds incredibly GP. No, wait... it doesn't.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

FYI, FMS webpages say Galileo is Red for finals.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Sorry, I may have been a bit harsh with that, but now with 1114 and 2056 dying like never before, I am just a bit confused...

Congrats 233/987/207, our 2012 World Champions!

btw, 2056 lost comms again.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

2056 died about 80secs, 1114 died at about 60 secs but came back 10-15 secs later.

Disappointing.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

this is sad. really they died.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

This is almost too disappointing to watch. :(

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Bad connection cost 1114, 2056, and 4334 a birth into the world championshipn finals, Can't believe it.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

If they admit it is a field problem, we could just have no winner..

(If it is a field problem.)

Re: Einstein 2012
 

The stress on Woodie is very evident.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Well, 118 already put on a great show; they were absolutely incredible to watch in the Newton elims. The fact that they go from running perfectly on newton (not to mention 1114 and 2056 also running perfectly on archimedes) to not moving 3 matches in a row just makes this whole thing that much worse.

Such a shame, was looking forward to some awesome matches. I wonder how FIRST will respond to this now that the problem has moved from regionals and districts to their biggest stage.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Let's see which one is more powerful: the Curie curse or the "Red Comms" curse.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Same with Dean.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

I'm wondering if there are saved logs available from newton and archimedes that could be compared to logs from einstein.....

Re: Einstein 2012
 

This is incredibly disappointing. It doesn't matter who wears blue, nobody wins.

Re: Einstein 2012
 

Can any of the Newton/Archimedes finalists and post the logs from their Driver Stations after today? Those could prove to be very useful. I'm not sure what kind of logging capabilities the FMS has, so don't know what to do there....

Re: Einstein 2012
 

With all of these comm issues, the only way I can see Galileo winning is if this tornado sweeps through and picks up the blue alliance.