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AdamHeard 15-05-2012 14:30

Re: Three joint arm
 
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Originally Posted by bardd (Post 1169527)
Thanks alot guys, I found your replies really helpful :)
We might actually go for two joints after all, but it's still a great discussion so no reason to stop here...

Two joints is a very good compromise of simplicity (although it isn't that simple), usefulness, and still providing a good programming challenge.

Jeff Waegelin 15-05-2012 14:35

Re: Three joint arm
 
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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1169528)
Two joints is a very good compromise of simplicity (although it isn't that simple), usefulness, and still providing a good programming challenge.

The good thing about 2 joints over 3 is that with 2 you can get away with default code and a pair of joysticks if you need to. In my experience, it gets a lot worse when you add the third joint (especially if it's a third motor-powered joint with complete freedom) and you need to start thinking about more sophisticated controls. Of course, if you can do it with one joint, your controls are even simpler still...

Mk.32 15-05-2012 14:35

Re: Three joint arm
 
Team 1538's arm in 2011 was really neat, using a single joint powered by a motor and then gas shocks on the roller claw that moved the claw into the correct position without the need to power the 2nd joint directly.

connor.worley 15-05-2012 23:09

Re: Three joint arm
 
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Originally Posted by Mk.32 (Post 1169531)
Team 1538's arm in 2011 was really neat, using a single joint powered by a motor and then gas shocks on the roller claw that moved the claw into the correct position with the need to have an system power it directly.

Credit goes to 67's 2007 robot for the idea. :)

JesseK 20-05-2012 17:08

Re: Three joint arm
 
1731's arm in 2007 was nothing short of epic, both in how it was built and in how it was controlled. It had a z-rotating (aka yaw) turret at the base, a x-axis rotation shoulder (aka pitch), a x-axis rotating elbow (pitch), a y-axis rotating wrist (aka roll), and some sort of x-axis rotating grasping mechanism.

It was all controlled by a near-identical arm made of potentiometers on the drivers station.

Was it 100% necessary? No. But it DID work well, which was benefit 1. Benefit 2 was the incredible amount of unique materials used compared to the competition at the time. For a tech company, Benefit 1 pays the short-term bills, and Benefit 2 is what brings in licensing royalties long after other companies "innovate" in the tech space (Xerox is a great example).

Lil' Lavery 20-05-2012 17:49

Re: Three joint arm
 
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Originally Posted by MICHAELABICK (Post 1169389)
While air shock look nicer than surgical tubing, the nice thing about surgical tubing is that you can tune it to the right strength. Unless you are trying to do something with a lot of power(ie. lifting your robot off the ground), usually surgical tubing is fine.

While you can't tune the gas shock itself, you can certainly tune the system by adjusting the mounting points.

Akash Rastogi 20-05-2012 18:59

Re: Three joint arm
 
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1170614)
While you can't tune the gas shock itself, you can certainly tune the system by adjusting the mounting points.

Although more expensive, you can also purchase adjustable gas shocks. Just be careful to do the force calculations correctly and over compensate, then release gas as needed.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#gas-shocks/=hmecz4

edit: go to reducible force springs

MichaelBick 21-05-2012 11:07

Re: Three joint arm
 
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1170614)
While you can't tune the gas shock itself, you can certainly tune the system by adjusting the mounting points.

You change the mounting points, but this requires extra machining, along with extra calculations(surgical tubing requires none of this).

Of course, you can buy adjustable gas shocks as Akash said, this is more expensive. The nice thing about surgical tubing is that it is very cheap. But if you are willing and have the budget to spend the money, then it is worth it.

EricH 21-05-2012 12:16

Re: Three joint arm
 
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Originally Posted by MICHAELABICK (Post 1170754)
You change the mounting points, but this requires extra machining, along with extra calculations(surgical tubing requires none of this).

Of course, you can buy adjustable gas shocks as Akash said, this is more expensive. The nice thing about surgical tubing is that it is very cheap. But if you are willing and have the budget to spend the money, then it is worth it.

It should be noted that you get what you pay for (you may find yourself replacing sugical tubing, but the odds of having to replace gas shocks are very low).

Changing the mounting points isn't that hard. If you know what you need/what you have, take a drill and make more holes (your robot probably needs them anyway). The calculations shouldn't be that onerous, and I would guess that you would actually want to do the calculations for surgical tubing as well.


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