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okay, dont mean to blame it on anyone, but you can see 610 runs into the blue bot, which makes them roll off.

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You're referring to a single data point. That data point also included two of the best robots this year, and a purposefully short robot to make it easier to triple.

We all know two longs can triple, but we can all agree that the more wide robots on the alliance, the easier it *should* be to triple (with all other factors the same).

That being said, at least one elim alliance will triple with two longs at IRI.

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I can tell you from experience, it wont be close to as effective as two wides. The EH balance was with 4334, who was probably chosen largely for their size. When we tried tripling at MSC with two long bots, both of which could hang pretty far, we were 1/3. The EH team proved it doable, but those circumstances were a bit special. 4334 will be the only sub max dimension at IRI (I believe), so 2 long alliances will either need to pick them or try their luck with a full size wide. Two stingers should make it easier (they might have saved us once at MSC ), but it wont be as easy as 1114, 2056, and 1114 made it look.

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292 is in fact wide.

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While I admit that the EH Team was exceptional, I still agree with your prediction that at least one alliance will have a two longs triple. I was responding to the flurry of posts that seemed to discount teams such as 1114 and 2056 as valuable first round picks because of their orientation. Maybe I chose too good of an example; that alliance made balancing look a lot easier than it actually is.

I do agree that having more wide bots should make it easier to triple. But with the added weight allowance of IRI and the couple months of iteration, I would be very surprised if any alliance in elims has fewer than 2 balancing mechs. I think the number of these stingers or arms or whatever will drastically decrease the difference between long and wide bots (especially if the long bots can hang).

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Not sure how you come to that conclusion. It looks quite intentional to me.

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It doesn't make any sense to me that the two alliances would plan a triple balance on the co-op bridge, because there's no point to it. It looks like 610 died for a short time period of the video, and 1241 went to help. Just my $0.02

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It was definitely planned between 610, 1241, and the blue team with the unreadable bumpers. You can't really see it in the video, but there's a stinger at each end of the bridge. They were trying to show off what they could do, as was very apparent by the reaction of the guys on the sidelines. After the match we were told that we weren't brought into the loop because we might say no. Needless to say, that match really hurt us when we needed the bridge points the most.

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Ok thank you for the explanation. I understand what they were trying to accomplish but in my opinion it probably wasn't worth the risk. Still an interesting match to watch

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While not on this fields and unaware that this happened until now, I can echo that a triple balance on the co-op bridge is not all that much of a crazy idea. My team, over on Archimedes, in our last qualification match, attempted to orchestrate a triple balance on the co-op. We decided to attempt this because at this point we were much too far down in the standings to be an alliance captain or a first round pick, so we figured that showing we are able to triple balance would be the best way to proceed, as people would be looking for a triple balance partner in their second round picks.

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It does seem to be a viable strategy for trying to get you noticed, so for a team that isn't close enough to the top eight to need the co-op points, it does make sense to risk getting less points in exchange for the possibility of having a better chance of being picked. I was thinking from the perspective of a team who would want the co-op points no matter what, but it does make sense for these teams situations

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It is never right to do something like this without telling your entire alliance. 111 was not told of the plan.

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I do agree with that, especially because of that it is said somewhere else in this thread that 111was not told because the other teams were afraid they would say no. Its true that in certain situations this strategy could have it's benefits, but if only some teams are on board, then you are completely right.

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Has anyone come up with a Ranking for the Highest to Lowest OPR for the teams at IRI?

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I do.

OPR

1. 2056

2. 67

3. 341

CCWM

1. 2056

2. 341

3. 469