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Very sorry I missed your team, I edited my first post and think i have everyone. Also I tend to like long bots as 548 is one!

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No problem. :D

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71 is swerve, and 1741 has octo-drive, so I guess you could place them under mecanum.

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1592 is Wide.

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We're "virtually wide" as long as we are on the outside; meaning that we have a mean overhang.

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This is the same with us. We only take up 22" of the bridge if on the outside. We only attempted to Triple once (Queen City Quarter Finals) But we put our heavy end on the outside and just tipped. We also are able to Line up and shoot 3 balls in 3 seconds (now thats 1717 kind of stuff ;) ). We are hoping to be a pretty good competitor, Cant wait to Compete with all these amazing teams, all at one competition!

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I'm going to guess that most robots can hang quite a bit off the edge. That being said balancing with 2 longs is always harder than 1 long. Personal experience. GTR East QF1-2 1075 and 4307, no balancer with 2 long bots, however 4307 was not even close to max and it went smoothly. Northville QF's SF's and F's 5 triples with 2 wides, 67 and 3656, using 67's arm... Extremely smooth. Troy finals 2, 217(long) and 2604 attempted to triple, we failed to do so. MSC 2054 (long) and 245 it worked but wasn't pretty and we failed to do this twice. Finally Newton 118 and 2194 both wide, utilizing 118's stinger and our fangs, 4-6 with 2 driver errors keeping us from 6-6 (QF 1-1 half of us were going for a double).
Experience has shown me that our 19" needed on the bridge is a little more then that depending on the speed of a balancer as the rotational momentum of the robot tips it down and sometimes off the bridge (problem solved by using 2 balancers).

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This is definitely true with 340. Around 12" overhang! Check out the video below!

http://youtu.be/Ar6CMCwlW5k

Matt

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How many teams will not have the ability to use their drivers that the had during the regular season? Or will choose to use other drivers for expiriance purposes?

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Very excited for IRI this year! I hope to see New England teams 2168 and 125 do as well as they can! I personnally see an alliance led by 67 (The HOT Team) and 341 (Miss Daisy) taking it all. This is going to be alot of fun to watch and interesting to see who prevails!

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The EH Team is gonna win it all. ;)

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+ one mysterious backup bot

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Perhaps with another Canadian to continue the Eh Team? :cough:772:cough:

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Oh what I would do for this to happen...

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I notice that 269 and 292 are mentioned twice. Does anyone know which drive orientation they are?

EDIT: 624 is missing from this list, but they have accepted as per http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...23&postcount=9

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269 is wide.
292 is long.
624 is long.

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thanks

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With 772, 781 and 907 attending in addition to the original "Eh Team" there will be no shortage of Canadian representation :cool:.

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Here's another fun question...
You seeded first, you have 0 scouting, all you know is how the teams did in the regular season... who do you pick?

My top 3 are 67, 118, and 341. Being a long bot I wouldn't take the risk of 1114, 2056, or other great long bots.
67- Worked with and won an Northville together, great team, amazing robot, and from Michigan!
118- Worked with and won Newton together, got along great, make another run at gold?
341- never worked together or even saw their robot in person... but Masters of hybrid could make all the difference.

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I'm finding it sort of strange, especially after the speed and success of the Eh Team, that everyone still seems to doubt two long bots and one wide can triple as effectively as two wide and one long...

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I think they are just saying it will be tougher to achieve. Plus keep in mind that 4334 was a lot smaller than normal wide bots. On friday at GTR west 1114, 2056, and 3161 tried triple on the practice field. 3161 is a normal wide bot. They got it but after a fair amout of attempts. Another note in GTR west was that 2056, and 188 denied 1241 because they both didnt want a long bot with them. You can see how good of a choice that was after 2056 won with a triple.

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I know 4334 was much smaller, but I also know that they DID triple with 2852 (I think... whoever DM high Voltage is) in practice in prep for Worlds. I also know that 1241's bridge balancer was untested at GTRE, or that it was deemed unreliable enough to not risk a shot at a regional title (the Coop almost-triple on Newton proves as much). If teams have good and *proven* stingers, then long bots can definitely hang with long bots. And I'd be surprised if the majority of competitive long bots don't have a stinger.

Triple balancing is full of risks to begin with. See 2826+67+4143. Here we have probably the best balancer in FIRST consistently fail to triple with one long bot (sorry to rub it in, huge respect to that whole alliance). It's a risky enough maneuver that not a single triple was attempted on Einstein (comm issues didn't help either). People seem to be discounting a long+long+wide balance because it's too risky. I'm just saying that in many cases, especially with these robots, wide+wide+long or wide+wide+wide is risky as well.

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I would hardly count the failed triple on the coop bridge on Newton as an indication that 1241 can't triple. I doubt that it was planned.

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Watching that from the stands, it was pretty much solid and then someone moved, trying to go back to just a regular coop. If they were trying to, I think that balance would have stuck.

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I heard that it was planned by the participating teams. Also, I wasn't saying that 1241 can't triple, just that they haven't shown that they can yet. And for teams that rely on scouting (like both 2056 and 188), what you say you can do doesn't matter; it's what you actually do on the field that counts.

Regardless, I still say that people are discounting long robots or perhaps overemphasizing the importance of wide robots in terms of triple balances. After all, if there's anywhere robots will hang impossibly far off the end of the bridge, it's IRI.

Ahh, ok. I was watching from the Archimedes stands, so obviously my view of the event was rather poor. It was looking rather shaky even before they all slid off, but once again, I didn't have that great of an angle.

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Wait, so someone tried to triple on the co-op bridge in a qualifying match?

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Yes.

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That seems like a horrible idea that is likely just going to end up blowing the co-op points for the entire alliance.

Were they successful?

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As an observer, I think what actually happened was that 1241's partner died or had difficulty getting on the bridge, so they went to help. After pushing them up and trying to drive away, 1241 remained partially on the bridge and stayed there as the bridge leveled, hanging surprisingly far off. After a few seconds (Okay it felt like a few seconds, I have no idea how long it was), someone (610?) began jumping back and forth, and 1241 fell off just before the match ended.

It was most likely not planned, and nobody was really sure if the triple would have even counted had it remained.

I was actually sitting immediately behind 1241 in the stands, and they all freaked out when it happened, so I could be misremembering.

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They were unsuccessful, though they were astoundingly close. From what I could tell over the webcast, they pretty much had it set in place before somebody moved and collapsed the whole thing.

I don't know why exactly they did it, but when 1241 boarded the co-op bridge, I can say it was the most confusing moment of the season for me.

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Canadians these days...
;)

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I saw them compete on Archimedes, and I have no doubt that if they team up they'll be a tough team to beat. No matter what this is going to be fun to watch!

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Here's a video of the attempt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMYzl...1&feature=plcp

DISCLAIMER: My team was not informed of the decision made by our partners. You can imagine the drive team's confusion when they saw what was happening.

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Thanks for the video this really clears up what happened. It doesn't seemed to have been planned, but a strange situation nonetheless.

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Yes it is, actually it's the entire match video, that ends with the attempted triple co-op

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okay, dont mean to blame it on anyone, but you can see 610 runs into the blue bot, which makes them roll off.

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You're referring to a single data point. That data point also included two of the best robots this year, and a purposefully short robot to make it easier to triple.

We all know two longs can triple, but we can all agree that the more wide robots on the alliance, the easier it *should* be to triple (with all other factors the same).

That being said, at least one elim alliance will triple with two longs at IRI.

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I can tell you from experience, it wont be close to as effective as two wides. The EH balance was with 4334, who was probably chosen largely for their size. When we tried tripling at MSC with two long bots, both of which could hang pretty far, we were 1/3. The EH team proved it doable, but those circumstances were a bit special. 4334 will be the only sub max dimension at IRI (I believe), so 2 long alliances will either need to pick them or try their luck with a full size wide. Two stingers should make it easier (they might have saved us once at MSC ), but it wont be as easy as 1114, 2056, and 1114 made it look.

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292 is in fact wide.

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While I admit that the EH Team was exceptional, I still agree with your prediction that at least one alliance will have a two longs triple. I was responding to the flurry of posts that seemed to discount teams such as 1114 and 2056 as valuable first round picks because of their orientation. Maybe I chose too good of an example; that alliance made balancing look a lot easier than it actually is.

I do agree that having more wide bots should make it easier to triple. But with the added weight allowance of IRI and the couple months of iteration, I would be very surprised if any alliance in elims has fewer than 2 balancing mechs. I think the number of these stingers or arms or whatever will drastically decrease the difference between long and wide bots (especially if the long bots can hang).

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Not sure how you come to that conclusion. It looks quite intentional to me.

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It doesn't make any sense to me that the two alliances would plan a triple balance on the co-op bridge, because there's no point to it. It looks like 610 died for a short time period of the video, and 1241 went to help. Just my $0.02

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It was definitely planned between 610, 1241, and the blue team with the unreadable bumpers. You can't really see it in the video, but there's a stinger at each end of the bridge. They were trying to show off what they could do, as was very apparent by the reaction of the guys on the sidelines. After the match we were told that we weren't brought into the loop because we might say no. Needless to say, that match really hurt us when we needed the bridge points the most.

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Ok thank you for the explanation. I understand what they were trying to accomplish but in my opinion it probably wasn't worth the risk. Still an interesting match to watch

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While not on this fields and unaware that this happened until now, I can echo that a triple balance on the co-op bridge is not all that much of a crazy idea. My team, over on Archimedes, in our last qualification match, attempted to orchestrate a triple balance on the co-op. We decided to attempt this because at this point we were much too far down in the standings to be an alliance captain or a first round pick, so we figured that showing we are able to triple balance would be the best way to proceed, as people would be looking for a triple balance partner in their second round picks.

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It does seem to be a viable strategy for trying to get you noticed, so for a team that isn't close enough to the top eight to need the co-op points, it does make sense to risk getting less points in exchange for the possibility of having a better chance of being picked. I was thinking from the perspective of a team who would want the co-op points no matter what, but it does make sense for these teams situations

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It is never right to do something like this without telling your entire alliance. 111 was not told of the plan.

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I do agree with that, especially because of that it is said somewhere else in this thread that 111was not told because the other teams were afraid they would say no. Its true that in certain situations this strategy could have it's benefits, but if only some teams are on board, then you are completely right.

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Has anyone come up with a Ranking for the Highest to Lowest OPR for the teams at IRI?

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I do.

OPR

1. 2056

2. 67

3. 341

CCWM

1. 2056

2. 341

3. 469

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Stolen from http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=62 and applying to IRI (Thanks Travis Hoffman)

STINGER OUT - Stinger of any kind applied outside of frame perimeter
STINGER IN - Stinger of any kind applied inside frame perimeter
BRAKES - Braking/stay put system - mechanical brakes, pneumatic pad onto bridge surface, etc.
PID BRAKES - Deserves its own category if no other mechanical braking present, as control stops once match ends.
OVERHANG(+) - Can hang at least 12" of robot off the bridge. Use OVERHANG+ if you have additional features to secure the bot that don't fall into any other category - wood blocks, wedges, tilting arm to affect COG :-), etc.


16 ...Swerve..
25 ...Long..Stinger In..Brakes
27 ...Long..
33 ...Wide..Stinger Out
45 ...Wide..
48 ...Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
51 ...Wide..Stinger In
67 ...Wide..Stinger Out
68 ...Wide..
71 ...Swerve..
111 ..Long..Stinger In
118 ..Wide..Stinger In
125 ..Long..
148 ..Wide..Stinger In
192 ..Long..
217 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
233 ..Long..
234 ..Wide..
245 ..Wide..
269 ..wide..
292 ..wide..
330 ..Long..Stinger In
340 ..Long..Stinger In
341 ..Wide..Stinger In..10" Han..PID Brakes
359 ..Long..
379 ..Long..
399 ..Wide..
447 ..Long..
461 ..Long..Overhang
469 ..Square..Stinger Out
503 ..Mecanum..
548 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
573 ..Long..
624 ..long..
744 ..Long..
772 ..Long..Overhang
781 ..Long..
829 ..Wide..Overhang
868 ..Square..
907 ..Wide..Stinger Out..PID Brakes
973 ..Swerve..Stinger Out..Brakes
1023 .Wide..Stinger Out
1024 .Wide..
1114 .Long..Stinger In, PID Brakes, Overhang+
1538 .Long..
1592 .Wide..
1640 .Swerve..
1676 .Long..Stinger In
1714 .Wide..
1718 .Wide..Stinger Out..Brakes
1730 .Wide..
1732 .Wide..
1741 .Mecanum..
1902 .Long..
2054 .Long..Stinger Out
2056 .Long..Stinger Out
2168 .Long..Stinger In
2194 .Wide..
2337 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang..Brakes
2590 .Wide..
2614 .Long..
2826 .Long..Stinger In
2834 .Wide..Stinger Out
2949 .Wide..
3098 .Wide..Stinger Out
3138 .Long..
3193 .Long..Overhang+
3310 .Long..Stinger Out
3322 .Wide..Stinger Out
3357 .Wide..
3940 .Wide..
3947 .Long..
4334 .Wide..

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330 has a stinger In (might be out)
51 was adding a stinger at IGVC, not sure if it has been completed.

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Is that similar to having our jags in brake mode?

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I'll leave 51 out until I can get confirmation

No PID breaks are electronic breaks that mean that the bot can hold its place on the bridge when its tilted. jags on brake are mainly to stop coasting.

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Off the top of my head, some teams with stingers 48(in), 51(?), 111(in), 118(in), 148(in), 330(in), 340(in), 548(in), 1023(out), 1114(in), 2054(out), 2056(out), and 3098(out).
25 has brakes.

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Add stinger out and "brakes" for 973.

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772: Long, Currently No Stinger, No Brakes, Overhang(+) (takes up 22" on bridge)

EDIT: We also have our bridge tipper that fits under the bridge. we usually use this during qualifications or even Eliminations if we have a double Balancing Alliance. It really helps for Co-op Points :)

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The stinger was in before St. Louis, but we had to take it off because we couldn't make weight. It went back on at IGVC. We still need to track down two pieces that are missing in order to make it complete.

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You can add 'Stinger In' to 1676 ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etm8oQDuy-8

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Is it inside or outside the frame perimeter?

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WHOA!!!! 1114 twice on the same alliance? That's not fair. (But they would never triple.)

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You just challenged them. Good luck with that...

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341 has a stinger (in)
25 as of BR^2 also has a stinger (in)

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Okay, they wouldn't triple with 2056. Maybe with some others. But you also have to take into account the fact that they would routinely be up by more than 20 points before the bridges, so it might not matter.

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yea but its IRI, these matches will be like the Archimedes finals! they wont just hope for that...

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461 Overhang (~16 inches)

-Duke

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Correction:
2168 .Long.. Stinger In

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Inside. Just barely.

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3310 stinger 'out' though it does touch our bumper in the front ;o

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829 short 12" overhang and I just found a 24" cylinder while moving our shop :)

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2826 is STINGER IN, unless they've modified their bot since I last saw them.

3193 is OVERHANG+.

1023 is STINGER OUT, from the MARC thread.

548 is STINGER IN..OVERHANG, from the MARC thread.

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Beat me to it--thanks Trav!

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341 is wide, has an inside-the-frame-perimeter stinger, can hang up to 10" off the edge (requiring a total of 18" of real estate on the bridge when we go up in the rear - not including bumpers, which are low on our leading edge to get under any high bumpers in front of us), and has software brakes.

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I predict at least 1 team unbalancing a bridge while attempting to show off their brand new stinger... So far I have seen at least 1 team unbalance a bridge in order to show their stinger at each event I have attended.

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340 is STINGER OUT with OVERHANG+

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Stolen from http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=62 and applying to IRI (Thanks Travis Hoffman)

STINGER OUT - Stinger of any kind applied outside of frame perimeter
STINGER IN - Stinger of any kind applied inside frame perimeter
BRAKES - Braking/stay put system - mechanical brakes, pneumatic pad onto bridge surface, etc.
PID BRAKES - Deserves its own category if no other mechanical braking present, as control stops once match ends.
OVERHANG(+) - Can hang at least 12" of robot off the bridge. Use OVERHANG+ if you have additional features to secure the bot that don't fall into any other category - wood blocks, wedges, tilting arm to affect COG :-), etc.


16 ...Swerve..
25 ...Long..Stinger In..Brakes
27 ...Long..
33 ...Wide..Stinger Out
45 ...Wide..
48 ...Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
51 ...Wide..Stinger In
67 ...Wide..Stinger Out
68 ...Wide..
71 ...Swerve..
111 ..Long..Stinger In
118 ..Wide..Stinger In
125 ..Long..
148 ..Wide..Stinger In
192 ..Long..
217 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
233 ..Long..
234 ..Wide..
245 ..Wide..
269 ..wide..
292 ..wide..
330 ..Long..Stinger In
340 ..Long..Stinger Out..Overhang+
341 ..Wide..Stinger In..10" Hang..PID Brakes
359 ..Long..
379 ..Long..
399 ..Wide..
447 ..Long..
461 ..Long..Overhang
469 ..Square..Stinger Out
503 ..Mecanum..
548 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
573 ..Long..
624 ..long..
744 ..Long..
772 ..Long..Overhang
781 ..Long..
829 ..Wide..Overhang
868 ..Square..
907 ..Wide..Stinger Out..PID Brakes
973 ..Swerve..Stinger Out..Brakes
1023 .Wide..Stinger Out
1024 .Wide..
1114 .Long..Stinger In, PID Brakes, Overhang+
1538 .Long..
1592 .Wide..
1640 .Swerve..
1676 .Long..Stinger In
1714 .Wide..
1718 .Wide..Stinger Out..Brakes
1730 .Wide..
1732 .Wide..
1741 .Mecanum..
1902 .Long..
2054 .Long..Stinger Out
2056 .Long..Stinger Out
2168 .Long..Stinger In
2194 .Wide..
2337 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang..Brakes
2590 .Wide..
2614 .Long..
2826 .Long..Stinger In
2834 .Wide..Stinger Out
2949 .Wide..
3098 .Wide..Stinger Out
3138 .Long..
3193 .Long..Overhang+
3310 .Long..Stinger Out
3322 .Wide..Stinger Out
3357 .Wide..
3940 .Wide..
3947 .Long..
4334 .Wide..

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We are still missing 37 teams! :ahh: Come on lets keep going :P

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Did you change your stinger since this video: http://youtu.be/Ar6CMCwlW5k ?

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781 has a fairly reasonable overhang.... currently we can take up as little as just over 20"..... if we have driven straight onto the bridge. (thanks to our polycord and sliders)
Our low gear pretty much works as a break when the robot is on (you can tip the bridge down and it hardly moves until you shut it off).

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No it has not changed however the stinger is connected to a bracket that is outside the physical frame but inside the bumpers. I guess it all depends on the definition of inside/outside the frame perimeter.

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Sorry for my ambiguity. Stinger OUT means outside the frame perimeter, the bumpers, and extending beyond the side your drive orientation is (i.e. if you are long orientation it protrudes beyond your short side, if you are wide orientation it protrudes beyond your long side).

2056 is an excellent example of an OUT stinger

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also STINGER OUT. this was added before World for us.
also I believe it can hang off 12+ in so OVERHANG(+). I suppose the device we have that makes that possible is our drop down middle wheel. That way the robot just rests on the middle and back wheels. Does that count?

-Nick

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STINGER OUT - Stinger of any kind applied outside of frame perimeter (i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yEcf...ailpage#t=268s)
STINGER IN - Stinger of any kind applied inside frame perimeter (i.e. http://youtu.be/Ar6CMCwlW5k)
BRAKES - Braking/stay put system - mechanical brakes, pneumatic pad onto bridge surface, etc.
PID BRAKES - Deserves its own category if no other mechanical braking present, as control stops once match ends.
OVERHANG(+) - Can hang at least 12" of robot off the bridge. Use OVERHANG+ if you have additional features to secure the bot that don't fall into any other category - wood blocks, wedges, tilting arm to affect COG :-), etc.


16 ...Swerve..
25 ...Long..Stinger In..Brakes
27 ...Long..
33 ...Wide..Stinger Out
45 ...Wide..
48 ...Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
51 ...Wide..Stinger In
67 ...Wide..Stinger Out
68 ...Wide..
71 ...Swerve..
111 ..Long..Stinger In..Brakes..Overhang+
118 ..Wide..Stinger In
125 ..Long..
148 ..Wide..Stinger In
192 ..Long..
217 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
233 ..Long..
234 ..Wide..
245 ..Wide..
269 ..wide..
292 ..wide..
330 ..Long..Stinger In
340 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
341 ..Wide..Stinger In..10" Hang..PID Brakes
359 ..Long..
379 ..Long..
399 ..Wide..
447 ..Long..
461 ..Long..Overhang
469 ..Square..Stinger Out
503 ..Mecanum..
548 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
573 ..Long..
624 ..long..
744 ..Long..
772 ..Long..Overhang
781 ..Long..
829 ..Wide..Overhang
868 ..Square..
907 ..Wide..Stinger Out..PID Brakes
973 ..Swerve..Stinger Out..Brakes
1023 .Wide..Stinger Out
1024 .Wide..
1114 .Long..Stinger In, PID Brakes, Overhang+
1538 .Long..
1592 .Wide..
1640 .Swerve..
1676 .Long..Stinger In
1714 .Wide..
1718 .Wide..Stinger Out..Brakes
1730 .Wide..
1732 .Wide..
1741 .Mecanum..
1902 .Long..
2054 .Long..Stinger Out
2056 .Long..Stinger Out
2168 .Long..Stinger In
2194 .Wide..
2337 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang..Brakes
2590 .Wide..
2614 .Long..
2826 .Long..Stinger In
2834 .Wide..Stinger Out
2949 .Wide..Stinger Out..Overhang
3098 .Wide..Stinger Out
3138 .Long..
3193 .Long..Overhang+
3310 .Long..Stinger Out
3322 .Wide..Stinger Out
3357 .Wide..
3940 .Wide..
3947 .Long..
4334 .Wide..

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Mechanical brakes, Stinger in, Overhang+ (robot grabber).

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340 is Stinger IN

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3138 stinger in. Overhang of 13in + bumper :)

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We're overhang+ as well, sorry, the system was a tad confusing at first ;)

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1538 is actually only 34" long (~40.5" with bumpers). Since most of our robot's weight is behind the center wheel, we can hang about 18" (including bumpers) off the ramp. We also have a stinger located just behind the front wheel.

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

This has turned from a prediction thread to a scouting thread.

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

STINGER OUT - Stinger of any kind applied outside of frame perimeter (i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yEcf...ailpage#t=268s)
STINGER IN - Stinger of any kind applied inside frame perimeter (i.e. http://youtu.be/Ar6CMCwlW5k)
BRAKES - Braking/stay put system - mechanical brakes, pneumatic pad onto bridge surface, etc.
PID BRAKES - Deserves its own category if no other mechanical braking present, as control stops once match ends.
OVERHANG(+) - Can hang at least 12" of robot off the bridge. Use OVERHANG+ if you have additional features to secure the bot that don't fall into any other category - wood blocks, wedges, tilting arm to affect COG :-), etc.


16 ...Swerve..
25 ...Long..Stinger In..Brakes
27 ...Long..
33 ...Wide..Stinger Out
45 ...Wide..
48 ...Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
51 ...Wide..Stinger In
67 ...Wide..Stinger Out
68 ...Wide..
71 ...Swerve..
111 ..Long..Stinger In..Brakes..Overhang+
118 ..Wide..Stinger In
125 ..Long..
148 ..Wide..Stinger In
192 ..Long..
217 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
233 ..Long..
234 ..Wide..
245 ..Wide..
269 ..wide..
292 ..wide..
330 ..Long..Stinger In
340 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
341 ..Wide..Stinger In..10" Hang..PID Brakes
359 ..Long..
379 ..Long..
399 ..Wide..
447 ..Long..
461 ..Long..Overhang
469 ..Square..Stinger Out
503 ..Mecanum..
548 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
573 ..Long..
624 ..long..
744 ..Long..
772 ..Long..Overhang
781 ..Long..
829 ..Wide..Overhang
868 ..Square..
907 ..Wide..Stinger Out..PID Brakes
973 ..Swerve..Stinger Out..Brakes
1023 .Wide..Stinger Out
1024 .Wide..
1114 .Long..Stinger In, PID Brakes, Overhang+
1538 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang
1592 .Wide..
1640 .Swerve..
1676 .Long..Stinger In
1714 .Wide..
1718 .Wide..Stinger Out..Brakes
1730 .Wide..
1732 .Wide..
1741 .Mecanum..
1902 .Long..
2054 .Long..Stinger Out
2056 .Long..Stinger Out
2168 .Long..Stinger In
2194 .Wide..
2337 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang..Brakes
2590 .Wide..
2614 .Long..
2826 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang+..Brakes
2834 .Wide..Stinger Out
2949 .Wide..Stinger Out..Overhang
3098 .Wide..Stinger Out
3138 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang
3193 .Long..Overhang+
3310 .Long..Stinger Out..Overhang+
3322 .Wide..Stinger Out
3357 .Wide..
3940 .Wide..
3947 .Long..
4334 .Wide..

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

2826:
Stinger in
Long bot-37" (no bumpers)
20" overhang from frame perimeter
Angled brakes push CG toward bridge center
Passive partner "grabber"

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

In order to predict, don't we need to know about who we're predicting?

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss. ;)

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

Yet most people who posted in the first half of the thread had no problem making their predictions before this separate discussion was brought up.

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

I predict that at least 6 out of the top 8 alliance captains will be non-Longs, and the number 1 alliance, comprised of 4 non-Longs, will win IRI. Discuss.

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

I wouldn't argue with free scouting data ;) Granted it probably should be in another thread.

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

I disagree with the winning alliance having 4 non-Longs. With the 1st, 9th, and last pick, they will take a gamble with either the 9th or last pick. They will take the long bot that fell through the cracks for being long, while still having 3 wide robots if the long is unable to triple.

A different prediction from me, triple balances will be rare early in Quals. As teams gain experience throughout the days, there will be more, by eliminations the last robot will go to the bridge ~15 seconds for the triple.

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

You mean MARC all over again?

(Except MARC had 3 Long Bots in the Top 8)

I think 469 will take #1 at IRI. Best intake this season.

-Clinton-

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

624 can overhang about a third of our bot (long bot at max length ~38", therefore a little over a foot can overhang, excluding bumpers).

Re: 2012 IRI Predictions
 

Way to have faith in your own robot :rolleyes: ...........

I actually disagree that longs will not have a chance as the top seeds and it will be more even for the top 8 then 2/8. I believe that many teams who have never worked together will spend too much time trying to triple in qualifications and will miss out on valuable points and/or fail at their attempt.

While I would like to see as many triples as possible in qualifications (including seeing my own team do it), I do not think that we will see a triple all that often where teams were able to start and balance in the last 30 seconds in qualifications (to where I would categorize the 20 points being worthwhile). Though I wonder how busy the practice field will be this year........