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Maybe we're one of the two. Also...reverse psychology. Shhh...:cool:

And then the longs of IRI unite.

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This is a definite possibility, their performance at MARC was astounding. If only they could stop breaking things :rolleyes:

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Is gambling legal in Indiana? Because if it is, Id wanna put some money on 341. They were extremely consistent all season, and even though they lost in their division, they also helped put up the season-high high-score. Add to that their amazing tipple balance record and adaptability, and you have some good odds.

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This was about the only concern I had about the rule changes.
They'll need about 2-3 more bridges on the practice field.:)

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Thus ensuring a very congested space filled with moving machinery, increasing the risk of injury - you know how many people are involved in handling cables and "spotting" robots once they're on the bridge. I just foresee nonstop chaos and unequal access at the practice area. If a formal schedule isn't meticulously kept by a bevy of volunteers, and the traffic on the field isn't managed by another bevy, some teams are going to be shut out of the triple practice process (much like they were in St. Louis), and safety will become a huge concern.

Unless the staff establishes a very structured method of controlling practice field access (the six teams in Match #X are scheduled to practice on the field 15 minutes before they are requested to queue, for example), I think they should disallow all triple practice and let teams have at it with nothing but prior event experience to draw from.

Isn't part of the "mystique" of qualifying triples supposed to be the "newness" of it all? Tripling in qualifying is the anti-elimination experience - you're not supposed to have any prior practice - just have at it.

Plus, presuming a team will want to triple attempt with partners more often than not (not necessarily the case for all teams), the thought of spending every possible minute outside of your qualifying matches either on the practice field or waiting to get on it seems....not fun.

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An alliance with 2056, 1114, and some sort of good balancing robot would be outstanding. They had their triple balance down at worlds and would have done it on Einstein if it hadn't have been for the field issues.

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Something tells me that the Eh team won't be allowed to reunite to take IRI if the other 7 alliances have something to say about it.

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Its unfortunate, but i think you are correct. 4334 will be picked pretty quickly in the second round. maybe i'm wrong but i dont think soo...

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I'm curious who people think are the best feeding robots at IRI. Some honnorable mentions from me would be...
16
245
330
2194

Who else has an impressive feeding record?

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I think that 4334 should also be on this list, as they are designed for the soul purpose of feeding Canadian Powerhouses.

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Or anyone else who picks them before they do.

269

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As far as feeder bots go, we worked with 1714 on Galileo, and although they are great at scoring, and that was their main function on our alliance, I can also picture them doing an amazing job feeding because of their double sided pick up and smart drivers and coach.

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I hate talking about my own team, because i dont wanna feel like im branging but...

We were paired with 1730, and 3138 at queen city for one on the matches. All we did was feed the whole match because it was 3 great offensive teams together. we stole so many balls from the opposing alliance they were struggling to find any. When they went to grab one, we would come from the side and steal the ball right from them. we fed 1730 and 3138 so great that we won that match 75-55. Here is a video of that match.

Really my point is that almost any offensive robot can feed. Some obviously better than others.

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16/330/4334 are probably the best feeder bots at IRI. 973 could fall into this category if they chose to @ IRI.

-RC

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I agree that 16 was an amazing feeder at champs, but I really hope they are able to get there shooter working at a high capacity so they can show off what their robot is really capable of at IRI.

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I think any devent scorer can be a great feeder, they are just rarely asked to play that role.

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Defiantly true,

Most of the top level teams can, at IRI it'll be interesting to see how each alliance handles who to send over.

-RC

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That is obviously the plan - issues with the catapult should be resolved.

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I'm late to the party on this one, but I felt the need to update our team info:

16 ...Swerve..
25 ...Long..Stinger In..Brakes
27 ...Long..
33 ...Wide..Stinger Out
45 ...Wide..
48 ...Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
51 ...Wide..Stinger In
67 ...Wide..Stinger Out
68 ...Wide..
71 ...Swerve..
111 ..Long..Stinger In..Brakes..Overhang+
118 ..Wide..Stinger In
125 ..Long..Stinger Out..Overhang+
148 ..Wide..Stinger In
192 ..Long..
217 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
233 ..Long..
234 ..Wide..
245 ..Wide..
269 ..wide..
292 ..wide..
330 ..Long..Stinger In
340 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
341 ..Wide..Stinger In..10" Hang..PID Brakes
359 ..Long..
379 ..Long..
399 ..Wide..
447 ..Long..
461 ..Long..Overhang
469 ..Square..Stinger Out
503 ..Mecanum..
548 ..Long..Stinger In..Overhang+
573 ..Long..
624 ..long..
744 ..Long..
772 ..Long..Overhang
781 ..Long..
829 ..Wide..Overhang
868 ..Square..
907 ..Wide..Stinger Out..PID Brakes
973 ..Swerve..Stinger Out..Brakes
1023 .Wide..Stinger Out
1024 .Wide..
1114 .Long..Stinger In, PID Brakes, Overhang+
1538 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang
1592 .Wide..
1640 .Swerve..
1676 .Long..Stinger In
1714 .Wide..
1718 .Wide..Stinger Out..Brakes
1730 .Wide..
1732 .Wide..
1741 .Mecanum..
1902 .Long..
2054 .Long..Stinger Out
2056 .Long..Stinger Out
2168 .Long..Stinger In
2194 .Wide..
2337 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang..Brakes
2590 .Wide..
2614 .Long..
2826 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang+..Brakes
2834 .Wide..Stinger Out
2949 .Wide..Stinger Out..Overhang
3098 .Wide..Stinger Out
3138 .Long..Stinger In..Overhang
3193 .Long..Overhang+
3310 .Long..Stinger Out..Overhang+
3322 .Wide..Stinger Out
3357 .Wide..
3940 .Wide..
3947 .Long..
4334 .Wide..

-Brando

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Any swerve drive can apply the equivalent of brakes by turning their wheels 90 degrees. That's what we do.

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Just a heads up: Check out a picture of every robot attending the 2012 IRI on FRC Designs! You can view every robot and download the entire album!

http://www.frc-designs.com/Photos2012.html

Matt

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If you don't have 1714 on your list of best feeder bots, you'll be in for a surprise*. Although they were forced to score for their elmination alliance, I do not think they were that far behind 16 in feeding on Galileo.

*provided they use their same driveteam.

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Here's a thought...

Getting into IRI is largely (but not entirely) due to on-field results. Since triple balancing is a significant factor in this game, it stands to reason that robots that have triple balanced reliably in competition had an advantage when it came to getting invited.

However, no OPR stats reflect the ability to triple balance (since there is no 40 point bonus in qualification rounds, and in elims there is no such thing as OPR).

In light of this, I tested the hypothesis that, on average, the long robots invited to IRI have a higher OPR than the non-longs. (I used the invitation list since I'm not clear whether the "final" acceptance list has been posted)

What I found (based on the post-Championship Ed Law scouting database; all OPR numbers are adjusted for the co-op bridge):

Best event OPR:
Average for longs: 28.5
Average for non-longs: 26.7

Latest event OPR:
Average for longs: 25.7
Average for non-longs: 24.0

"World rank" weighted average OPR:
Average for longs: 23.4
Average for non-longs: 21.3

Hypothesis confirmed. On average, long bots at IRI are 1.7 - 2.2 OPR points better than wides. An alliance with 3 longs has a projected total score anywhere from 5.2 to 6.5 points higher than an alliance with 3 non-longs (depending on your preferred metric).

Between the on-paper advantage of ~2 more balls in the high goal per match for an all-long alliance, and the fact that triple balancing necessarily means that everyone must stop shooting early and carries no guarantee of success, maybe things aren't so bad for longs after all :)

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I wasn't sure where else to post this without opening another thread for no reason so here it is.

Team 772 will be traveling from Windsor Ontario (just across the border from Detroit). We will only be having 4 students at the competition. We have The two drivers, a programmer, and another member from the business side of the team. the programmer and business member will be switching as Human player, and my brother will be the Drive coach. SO... what I am pretty much asking is if people would be able to help us out if we needed something in an emergency? We are also wondering if we could use someone else's scouting data for the competition during alliance selections? I know scouting is a lot to ask but we don't have the people to do it at this competition.

AND most importantly! We will need some help with our cheer while getting announced! Our cheer is very well known in Canada and is slowly getting known throughout the states. When our team number gets announced we aren't called 772, The MC will say "SEVEN SEVEN WHO!??!?!" and our team (and others in the stands) will respond "SEVEN SEVEN TWO!!!!!". Its a pretty fun cheer and I'm hoping everyone will help us out :D

Thanks FIRST Family :D

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This was one of my huge concerns when finding volunteers for the Michigan State Championship event. At MSC we had five ramps set up, with about two-three volunteers manning the practice field at a time. It was certainly busy, but people were very conscientious of being careful. As long as there are not extra people standing around creating robot campfires, then I actually wouldn't foresee this as an issue. Especially as the IRI planning crew and volunteers are fantastic at what they do. To add: IRI has a much larger area for a practice field than what we had at MSC.

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Some predictions:
In qualifications:
There will be more double triples then single triples.
36 or higher auton scores will happen ~50% of the time.
Robots without a longstanding reputation will have difficulty convincing an alliance not to feed.

Alliance selection:
The top 4 will take the top 4 offensive robots
Bottom 4 then take the top 4 feeder robots
Top 4 then take the 5-8 best feeder robots
bottom 4 take the 5-8 best offensive robots

Eliminations:
Will be very exciting and hard to predict

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I feel that this is very true but is not just IRI specific. It will be interesting to see what robots take on what niches with the competion so competitive.

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Interesting. Why do you think the bottom 4 seeds will pass over strong offense for a good feeder bot? It seems to me like you'd want to secure your robotic firepower first, then work on getting a robot to feed. You could have all 18 balls fed to your side and it doesn't make a difference if you can't put them in effectively. At least, that's my view.

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With the depth of field at IRI, it is very possible that a great feeder bot, a great shooter, and a good shooter would be better than having two great shooters and a good feeder. It all depends on how far the great shooters and feeders (captains/first round) are from the good shooters and feeders (second round).

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That's true. If an amazing scorer seeds 5-8, then they may want to go ahead and pick up a strong feeder before rounding out their offense. If a team like 118/2056/1114, etc.. who is a strong scorer can get fed well, they'll probably be very well off with a "good" scorer backing them up.

Still, I'd rather get the best offensive robot available first and then a feeder bot. A strong offensive team will probably not be a stranger to feeding itself, so if given the opportunity, as an alliance captain, I'd rather put together the best offense I can first then a feeder bot, and adjust my strategy depending on where the balls are.

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I agree with this if it were a normal draft. At IRI, as a 5-8 captain, do you really want the top 4 alliances being able to pick the best shooters AND the best feeders? I think there will be far fewer good, proven feeders then there will be good scorers. I think a low captain would have a much better chance of picking up a great feeder with their first pick than their second.

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What if the best shooter and feeders are the same robot?:ahh:

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This is very likely the case.

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Then your pick should be very easy.

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This was intended as sarcasm btw.

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One week 'till IRI!!!! :ahh:

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:D

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624 - Stinger Out

Check out photos of both our stinger and a triple balance with 2 L, 1 W.

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Anyone know if LookingForward with be producing a prediction for this? Seems a bit late for him/her to do so, but there's still hope and time :)

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With the depth of IRI, I feel like even Looking Forward would have an insanely tough time trying to write up a prediction.

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Well that's what would make it so interesting to read. If (s)he can make Einstein predictions then surely IRI wouldn't be so bad to do

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Einstein predictions are like taking shots in the dark, at best.

An IRI prediction would be the equivalent of hitting a target a mile away with a sawed off shotgun, while it's dark, with a blindfold on, and you're shooting nerf darts that are made of putty.

- Sunny G.

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I lol'd. Thumbs up for creativity.

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I know I am rooting for my own squad here but I do think that with the modifications and practice that 973 has commited to over the past few months should be very promising. Encore has come a long way from what it first was in the beginning of the season.

However, I feel that there will be a Daisy/Thunder Chicken strike at IRI this year. :D

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Those sound like long odds...