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I think they are just saying it will be tougher to achieve. Plus keep in mind that 4334 was a lot smaller than normal wide bots. On friday at GTR west 1114, 2056, and 3161 tried triple on the practice field. 3161 is a normal wide bot. They got it but after a fair amout of attempts. Another note in GTR west was that 2056, and 188 denied 1241 because they both didnt want a long bot with them. You can see how good of a choice that was after 2056 won with a triple.

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I know 4334 was much smaller, but I also know that they DID triple with 2852 (I think... whoever DM high Voltage is) in practice in prep for Worlds. I also know that 1241's bridge balancer was untested at GTRE, or that it was deemed unreliable enough to not risk a shot at a regional title (the Coop almost-triple on Newton proves as much). If teams have good and *proven* stingers, then long bots can definitely hang with long bots. And I'd be surprised if the majority of competitive long bots don't have a stinger.

Triple balancing is full of risks to begin with. See 2826+67+4143. Here we have probably the best balancer in FIRST consistently fail to triple with one long bot (sorry to rub it in, huge respect to that whole alliance). It's a risky enough maneuver that not a single triple was attempted on Einstein (comm issues didn't help either). People seem to be discounting a long+long+wide balance because it's too risky. I'm just saying that in many cases, especially with these robots, wide+wide+long or wide+wide+wide is risky as well.

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I would hardly count the failed triple on the coop bridge on Newton as an indication that 1241 can't triple. I doubt that it was planned.

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Watching that from the stands, it was pretty much solid and then someone moved, trying to go back to just a regular coop. If they were trying to, I think that balance would have stuck.

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I heard that it was planned by the participating teams. Also, I wasn't saying that 1241 can't triple, just that they haven't shown that they can yet. And for teams that rely on scouting (like both 2056 and 188), what you say you can do doesn't matter; it's what you actually do on the field that counts.

Regardless, I still say that people are discounting long robots or perhaps overemphasizing the importance of wide robots in terms of triple balances. After all, if there's anywhere robots will hang impossibly far off the end of the bridge, it's IRI.

Ahh, ok. I was watching from the Archimedes stands, so obviously my view of the event was rather poor. It was looking rather shaky even before they all slid off, but once again, I didn't have that great of an angle.

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Wait, so someone tried to triple on the co-op bridge in a qualifying match?

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Yes.

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That seems like a horrible idea that is likely just going to end up blowing the co-op points for the entire alliance.

Were they successful?

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As an observer, I think what actually happened was that 1241's partner died or had difficulty getting on the bridge, so they went to help. After pushing them up and trying to drive away, 1241 remained partially on the bridge and stayed there as the bridge leveled, hanging surprisingly far off. After a few seconds (Okay it felt like a few seconds, I have no idea how long it was), someone (610?) began jumping back and forth, and 1241 fell off just before the match ended.

It was most likely not planned, and nobody was really sure if the triple would have even counted had it remained.

I was actually sitting immediately behind 1241 in the stands, and they all freaked out when it happened, so I could be misremembering.

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They were unsuccessful, though they were astoundingly close. From what I could tell over the webcast, they pretty much had it set in place before somebody moved and collapsed the whole thing.

I don't know why exactly they did it, but when 1241 boarded the co-op bridge, I can say it was the most confusing moment of the season for me.

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Canadians these days...
;)

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I saw them compete on Archimedes, and I have no doubt that if they team up they'll be a tough team to beat. No matter what this is going to be fun to watch!

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Here's a video of the attempt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMYzl...1&feature=plcp

DISCLAIMER: My team was not informed of the decision made by our partners. You can imagine the drive team's confusion when they saw what was happening.

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Thanks for the video this really clears up what happened. It doesn't seemed to have been planned, but a strange situation nonetheless.

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Yes it is, actually it's the entire match video, that ends with the attempted triple co-op