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sand500 26-05-2012 14:04
Arduino PWM output
 
I just got my Arduino Uno and I'm trying to learn how to use it so couple of questions. Can the Arduino support reverse PWM or can it only output values from 0-255 so only one direction? Would the PWM output be compatible with Jaguars, Victors and the VEX motor controllers? Would this be only in one direction?

I know that the RobotOpen shield gives ability to use the digital side car but is it worth the price?

sjspry 26-05-2012 14:38
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
To figure out if the analogWrite() function's default frequency and range of duty cycles is compatible with the Jaguars or Victors, you will need to read the data sheet and compare to what the Arduino documentation says. There's also the robotopen project, which seems to have done work with this.

If I had to guess, I would say no, the analogWrite() function will not be compatible with the Jaguars. Why? The code I've seen to control a hobby servo from the same port you can control a Jaguar from sets up the port the same way, and hobby servos do not actually use "PWM". They use pulse-position modulation, which is different.

So what I can suggest, if you need something to happen quickly, is looking for the Arduino Servo library and using that to generate the signal to feed the Jaguar.

For future reference, please know that "PWM" is often used to (some would say incorrectly) refer to about three different things:

1) pulse-width modulation (PWM), where the duty cycle of a fixed frequency signal is varied (what the analogWrite() function does);
2) pulse-position modulation (PPM), which has a fixed-time pulse separated by variable time pulses for the values (750µs to 2400µs, used in the VEX controllers and by hobby servos, and other various motor controllers);
3) pulse-length modulation (PLM, other), used in simple IR remote controls and usually proprietary thingies. Not very common. Usually a dead time of 600µs followed by a 1 (1200µs) or 0 (600µs), repeat as necessary.

NickE 26-05-2012 15:56
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
The standard Arduino PWM will likely not work with Victors. Check out the myservo.write() function in the Arduino Servo Library. The Arduino software should have a servo example which should work with the Victors.

Dad1279 26-05-2012 16:18
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
The same PWM code that controls a servo for Arduino will work to drive a speed controller. Disconnect the power (red) lead of a std pwm cable, just connect the white (signal) and ground.

Motor is off when servo receives the same signal as 'centering' a servo (90 degrees) 'Zero degrees' is full reverse to the motor, 180 degrees full forward. Signal should look like this:


Another very good explanation is here:http://team358.org/files/electrical/PWMGenerator.pdf

sand500 26-05-2012 17:20
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjspry (Post 1171624)
To figure out if the analogWrite() function's default frequency and range of duty cycles is compatible with the Jaguars or Victors, you will need to read the data sheet and compare to what the Arduino documentation says. There's also the robotopen project, which seems to have done work with this.

If I had to guess, I would say no, the analogWrite() function will not be compatible with the Jaguars. Why? The code I've seen to control a hobby servo from the same port you can control a Jaguar from sets up the port the same way, and hobby servos do not actually use "PWM". They use pulse-position modulation, which is different.

So what I can suggest, if you need something to happen quickly, is looking for the Arduino Servo library and using that to generate the signal to feed the Jaguar.

For future reference, please know that "PWM" is often used to (some would say incorrectly) refer to about three different things:

1) pulse-width modulation (PWM), where the duty cycle of a fixed frequency signal is varied (what the analogWrite() function does);
2) pulse-position modulation (PPM), which has a fixed-time pulse separated by variable time pulses for the values (750µs to 2400µs, used in the VEX controllers and by hobby servos, and other various motor controllers);
3) pulse-length modulation (PLM, other), used in simple IR remote controls and usually proprietary thingies. Not very common. Usually a dead time of 600µs followed by a 1 (1200µs) or 0 (600µs), repeat as necessary.
Yea I understand that PWM controls the speed of the motors, but I dont know if the duty cycle of the arduinos are the same as what a jag and victor takes.

WizenedEE 26-05-2012 18:19
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sand500 (Post 1171634)
Yea I understand that PWM controls the speed of the motors, but I dont know if the duty cycle of the arduinos are the same as what a jag and victor takes.
Check out the writeMicroseconds function. Snippet from my code that controls a jaguar (working and controls a robot and stuff):
Code:
Servo jag;
    jag.attach(9);
    int8_t jagspeed

    // ... set jagspeed to a value from -100 to 100

    // Jag datasheet says it wants a puse between .67ms and 2.33ms
    jag.writeMicroseconds(map(jagspeed, -100, 100, 670, 2330));

slijin 26-05-2012 18:25
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sand500 (Post 1171620)
Can the Arduino support reverse PWM or can it only output values from 0-255 so only one direction?
Although this has been implied, there is no such thing as reverse PWM. Duty cycles can be anywhere between 0 and 255, with 0 being full reverse, 255 being forward, and a deadband in the middle for neutral.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sand500 (Post 1171620)
Would the PWM output be compatible with Jaguars, Victors and the VEX motor controllers?
The Arduino PWM library will not. The Servo library will. See above for the reasons why.
Using the Servo library will give you the full range of control over a Victor. We have developed testing platforms which feed Arduinos an analog input to drive a Victor; no recalibration was necessary, but the code had to be tweaked a little.
You will have to either recalibrate the Jaguar or adjust the methods found in the Servo library to achieve a full range of control.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sand500 (Post 1171620)
I know that the RobotOpen shield gives ability to use the digital side car but is it worth the price?
You don't need RobotOpen for a task like this. RobotOpen is designed to replace a cRIO, allowing teams to work with a larger budget and replace the core of their control systems with little hassle.

RyanCahoon 26-05-2012 22:37
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
At least for running Victors, you'll need a Signal Driver or create equivalent functionality, using a FET or similar. Not sure if Jaguars have the same requirement.

ajlapp 27-05-2012 00:28
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
As stated above, a RobotOpen Shield is all about building a more complete control system that uses wifi to send wireless commands.

You can definitely control both Victors and Jaguars using an Arduino straight out of the box. This robot and this robot were created before we invented RobotOpen. They both use Arduino as the basis for their control system.

The complete code used can be downloaded here.

sand500 27-05-2012 00:51
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ajlapp (Post 1171660)
As stated above, a RobotOpen Shield is all about building a more complete control system that uses wifi to send wireless commands.

You can definitely control both Victors and Jaguars using an Arduino straight out of the box. This robot and this robot were created before we invented RobotOpen. They both use Arduino as the basis for their control system.

The complete code used can be downloaded here.
are there any built in ways to communicate to a java program running on a computer via ethernet and ip? java has sockets but can arduino support that? Also, can I2C be used to communicate a arduino to crio

slijin 27-05-2012 08:55
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sand500 (Post 1171663)
are there any built in ways to communicate to a java program running on a computer via ethernet and ip? java has sockets but can arduino support that? Also, can I2C be used to communicate a arduino to crio
No, you also need the Ethernet Arduino if you plan to use RobotOpen with ethernet. The Arduino will then support networked connections.

Yes, I2C can be used with a an Arduino. The cRIO has no direct I2C output, but there are I2C ports on the DSC.

JoshSmith 27-05-2012 11:49
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sand500 (Post 1171663)
are there any built in ways to communicate to a java program running on a computer via ethernet and ip? java has sockets but can arduino support that? Also, can I2C be used to communicate a arduino to crio
Quick note one this, it will take some modifications to get it to work (a "stock" Arduino Wire library will not work). And you can use an ethernet shield for your Arduino Uno if you want to get communications over ethernet working (this will still work with a RobotOpen shield if you ever want to add that).

Here is the relevant shield on sparkfun: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9026

WizenedEE 27-05-2012 14:23
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshSmith (Post 1171693)
Quick note one this, it will take some modifications to get it to work (a "stock" Arduino Wire library will not work). And you can use an ethernet shield for your Arduino Uno if you want to get communications over ethernet working (this will still work with a RobotOpen shield if you ever want to add that).

Here is the relevant shield on sparkfun: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9026
AFAIK we used the "stock" Arduino Wire library on this year's competition robot to communicate the shooter angular velocity with the cRIO.

We just had to use the transaction method of the I2C class.

relevant part of our code:
Code:
UINT8 valuesGotten[2] = {0, 0};
I2CArduino->Transaction(NULL, 0, valuesGotten, 2);
UINT16 fullNumber = (valuesGotten[1] << 8) | valuesGotten[0];
Full code for reading our sensor is attached. I don't currently have access to the arduino side, though.

sand500 27-05-2012 21:06
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshSmith (Post 1171693)
Quick note one this, it will take some modifications to get it to work (a "stock" Arduino Wire library will not work). And you can use an ethernet shield for your Arduino Uno if you want to get communications over ethernet working (this will still work with a RobotOpen shield if you ever want to add that).

Here is the relevant shield on sparkfun: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9026

Both RobotOpen and the Ethernet Shield are a little bit expensive for personal use. If our team needs it next year, I guess we could use them. But using just the Ethernet Shield might be another possibility because we have our custom java dashboard so if we want, we might decide to ditch the CRIO and FRC system for our practice bots.

Michael Hill 27-05-2012 22:16
Re: Arduino PWM output
 
If you read the datasheet for Victors, you'll notice that they accept a "servo" PWM signal. Hence why you must use the servo library for Arduino.


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