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Will there be mentor matches at this year's Ruckus? I wanna play again! |
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Me and Alex are bouncing around ideas for a fun game to play during the event but perhaps we could make way for a little mentor match action too. We'll ask the committee next meeting. |
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Also for those who have attended in recent years and found seating tight you will be happy to know the new venue will comfortably seat approximately 1400 people the way we have it currently configured. |
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...mainly because I'm doubting any copilot candidates can score. Defense and balancing, for the win! |
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(that we get so many applicants to we actually have to turn people away...) And work with three FIRST programs (FLL, FTC, FRC, plus additional competitive robotics programs in other countries)? And give tons of scholarships? And have a SWEET VAN? Nope, that's all Clarkson. :) (Disclaimer: I'm only jesting. Yes, I love Clarkson, but that's because I go there. I'm sure any school anyone might personally decide on will be great- I just love how big a part FIRST plays in the Clarkson culture. :) ) |
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It'll be a big hit with the kids! |
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Actuallty im considering both rit and clarkson just visited clarkson a few weeks ago and saw the robot van :P
Going to be a hs senior this year. :D Sorry for the offtopic post |
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RIT has some amazing programs, clubs/organizations, and overall opportunities. Don't let either of our opinions sway you either way. Choose the school that you like best, even if it's neither of them. Take tours of all of them, do research online, ask current students what their opinions are(yes, I know I'm contradicting myself there... but we both obviously love our schools so it's ok), and definitely make sure to talk to the departments that house your anticipated major. Talk to the advisor(s) if you can and get a feel for how that college/major will help you in your future career goals, and in your life as a whole. And on top of all else, stay involved with what you love! Obviously I'm talking about FIRST, but it applies to everything else in life as well. |
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Ive visited both and have taken tours and have researched them online a lot. Soon to come the decisions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we get 32 teams at the ruckus can we do backups like IRI? |
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I was just wondering for backups so none of the teams feel left out :]
Travis do you mean full IRI rules including the no co-op? I don't know if the ruckus teams are going to be able to triple like a lot of teams at IRI did. I think only 3 teams have balancing aids 610,48,340. But only 610 used it in competition if im not mistaken. |
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Aluminum Falcons have registered.
Looks like the Swan Song will be in Rochester. |
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Did 48 use their stinger at IRI Travis? |
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If I had a say, I'd want to see stock Rebound Rumble. Many robots are tired and plenty of drive teams are going to be new and/or rusty. I really don't look forward to random combinations of that reality attempting to triple in quals. Six year olds playing soccer comes to mind, as does the "agony of defeat" ski jumper. Also, as many of the students we would be bringing would be brand new, I'd like to show them a game with the original FRC-intent elements in place, and that includes the coopertition element. You can be certain it will be a part of future FRC games - get them used to the concept now. Quote:
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We're not sure how much additional functionality we'll have at the Ruckus -- we have no shop for the summer due to the capital project (they literally knocked down the tech rooms and are rebuilding from scratch), and may not have a shop before the Ruckus at all!
So hopefully we'll have a re-vamped shooter and a stinger, but we might not... |
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I think IRI rules could happen, though I'd much prefer regular rules.
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I'll do my best to convince the team to costume up for it. |
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There are a few more things being discussed (alliance selection included) but we do not plan on changing the game significantly. -Garrick |
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I'd be fine with IRI rules. This has nothing to do with being a wide robot at all. Nope.
Glad to see our friends 2168 attending. |
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Also, I would say that the top four seeds can't pick each other is a good rule to continue for a small event, and 1-8-1-8 alliance selections work in that scenario. But maybe all of those rules PLUS IRI rules might be too much. One last question, when is the last day to sign up for Ruckus? I'm gonna make one more plee to 174 and giving them a final day might help planning and their decision. |
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With the recent addition of 4093, Joe's Average Slackers, and 3193 (FalcoTech) we now have 27 teams registered for Ruckus! There is still room for more teams!
48 73 188 191 229 340 378 379 578 610 639 1126 1334 1405 1507 1511 1551 1559 2168 2791 3044 3181 3193 3266 3683 3951 4093 Remember, Volunteer registration is now open! Sign up to help make Ruckus even better! http://ruckus.penfieldrobotics.com/v...-registration/ |
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Will there be wifi at the dome? I wanted to tryout some different scouting techniques for our team. I didn't get to go to the rally this year so I don't know if there is wifi... |
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I miss being behind the glass... wonder if the team would let me have a go. -Nick |
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The mentor matches at Beantown Blitz this year were awesome, however due to time constants each team only got one match.
What is the proposed structure for these matches anyways? |
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Comments on the alliance selection process are being read and of course being considered. As those who have come in the past to Ruckus know, we strive above all to make this an event that is fun for all attending teams (while still balancing that with the competitive nature of the game!). One of the committee members will be sure to post here (as well as sending email to registered team contacts) once we finalize alliance selection (please note too that it is a distinct possibility that this will just be "no change" to the process from the FIRST rules). The situation this year is quite a bit different than years past considering the growth in the number of teams that will be competing. Quote:
Note that payment is not due/expected until the actual day of the event so please do not let that alone delay your team. Please note: Volunteer registration will likely close much earlier than the timeline given above for team registration - if you want to volunteer please register as soon as you can!! We appreciate the assistance of all our volunteers! Quote:
Teams setting up their own access points will not be allowed; pit operation of robots will be "tether" only as traditional at FIRST events. This is quite simply to preserve the reliability of field operation. Quote:
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3756 has joined the ranks!
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4124 is in now, too! However, we do draw from the same group of kids (229 was once both schools), so if you need 4124's bot for a pre-rookie, please let me know- we'll bring it either way.
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I believe 3193 will be attending, as well.
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I still don't know if I'm going to be needed as a team mentor or if I could be a volunteer. If the event happens to need an extra hand somewhere the day of and I'm with the team, just let me know and where you need me. |
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The team list is updated online (http://ruckus.penfieldrobotics.com/t...eam-list-2012/) and includes: 48 73 174 188 191 229 340 378 379 578 610 639 1126 1334 1405 1507 1511 1551 1559 2168 2791 3044 3181 3193 3266 3683 3756 3951 4093 4124 Everyone else, register soon before it is too late! Remember, Volunteer registration is still open, too! |
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This is what happens when I'm not really in the loop. :P
Woo! 174 is making its first appearance at Ruckus! We are hungry for a competition win, so better bring your A-game everyone! |
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30 Teams in August is awesome! What's the cap?
This is going to be the best ruckus ever! |
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B)Hopefully! A lot of great teams, a new, bigger venue, and some other things in the works! It will definitely be a great time! |
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Also I'm totally in for a Mentor Match if we are going to do them.
Someone contact 3173! We need the IgKNIGHTers to still join us. |
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3015 is registered and very exited for Ruckus!
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The 32-team list now stands at: 48 73 174 188 191 229 340 378 379 578 610 639 1126 1334 1405 1507 1518 1511 1551 1559 2168 2791 3015 3044 3181 3193 3266 3683 3756 3951 4093 4124 Ruckus usually struggled to bring 24 teams, and now we have 32 teams during the middle of August! It sure will be a fun year! We should have a few more updates after Thursday! The latest news can also be found on the Ruckus Facebook |
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This will be an awesome ruckus.
Thanks to the ruckus committee for hosting an awesome event!! Can we do something like human basket ball at the end of the ruckus, or like a game of knockout or something?:cool: |
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My concern now is how will this influence the number of matches each team plays.
We're now slightly larger than the Waterloo regional (which had 30 teams). Waterloo played 44 matches on Day 1, which I believe was about 9 matches a team. Not bad. Except Waterloo played qualification matches on Day 1 from 9:30 to 4:44 PM. Take out the hour and a half for lunch, So that's about 5.5 hours of qualification matches. And, Waterloo, being a two day event, didn't play eliminations until Day 2. Being a one day event, Ruckus runs qualification matches and elimination matches the same day. Going off of last year's schedule, qualification matches are played for about 4 hours (8:30 - 11:30, 1 - 2). If 4 hours of Waterloo gameplay, about 30 matches were played. Between 6-7 matches per team. Given that we're already larger than Waterloo, and are still potentially growing, we're probably looking at 6. I, personally, think this is a bit low. But, I really just put this up to give people a speculative guesstimate. Truth be told, I'll gladly take a shorter match schedule for the now expanded team list :) I love all the great teams coming to Ruckus! DISCLAIMER: THIS IS ALL SPECULATION. IN NO WAY DOES THIS GUARANTEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT RUCKUS. THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AND WANTED TO LOOK AT. |
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If even all teams get is 6 matches - fine by me. Great opportunity for difficult and gutsy scouting practice. Plus it's pretty obvious that no alliance is going to miss out on a great team, as generally speaking, all the teams signed up are pretty competitive. My hope is 32 teams is a cut off, and every alliance picks their backup, therefore no team is left behind, and the last alliance picked gets an award a-la the NHL all star game draft. Plus, we are talking about teams that we've been looking over for the past handful of months - No one is going to not pick team 0000 just because team 0000 went 3-3-0 in RCCR, even though they went 6-3-0 in FLR and would go 6-3-0 in RCCR if given enough matches. It's not going to be a problem. |
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Six matches in one morning is a pretty reasonable number for a single day off season. I'd always be in favor of anything that gets us more matches, but six isn't the end of the world.
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Hey all,
If there are other thoughts regarding # of matches we'd love to hear them. One of the big comments we've received in the past is that more matches means tighter match-to-match plays (team X has to play again in Y minutes and we don't have the time to check-out/fix the robot/catch our breath). With the increased number of teams this will be less of an issue. But yeah we'd love to hear thoughts on # matches (or, time dedicated to match play) versus things like: - Extra "fun" events like mentor matches - Time the day starts/ends (we won't change this for this year since it is already published, but curious for years to come) - Match-to-match time (how "rushed" things need to be, maybe gauging versus your experience on a qualification day at a regional - do you want it to move at that pace? faster? slower?) As always we can't of course incorporate all suggestions but I'm interested in what you think! |
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My personal opinion -- and I'm not speaking for my team, just for myself -- is that more matches is more better!
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Ruckus has always been about not just the matches, but all the fun crazy stuff that happens along with it.
If we manage to get 6 matches each, then that would be plenty. I would be disappointed to see things like mentor tournaments, Pie In The Eye and other Ruckus shenanigans go to the wayside in interest of more matches. That's just me though. -Nick |
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Second what Nick said...more matches are not as important as the overall experience.
Last year was my first Ruckus, and I had so much fun with 48, I'm bringing another team to join in the festivities! Besides, I still need that chance to smash a pie in Travis's face! :D |
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- Extra "fun" events like mentor matches
Ruckus is very much a "dress-rehearsal" for our new student leadership. We may be more of the exception, as opposed to the norm, but last year our team was very focused on performing well at Ruckus. We were preparing to break an 11 year drought where we went without a win at any kind of event. The fun events weren't on our radar very much, but this year will likely be different. Rumour has it there is a mentor or two that might be interested in piloting the EdgeWalker... - Time the day starts/ends (we won't change this for this year since it is already published, but curious for years to come) We are arriving Friday night, and so the early start is great for us. The end time is a factor since we drive home the same night. I don't think we could push it too much later than it is - we also factor in time for a meal on the way home. - Match-to-match time (how "rushed" things need to be, maybe gauging versus your experience on a qualification day at a regional - do you want it to move at that pace? faster? slower?) I think it'd be great to run the field as fast as it will go, and let the chips fall where they please. I don't think there is a need to artificially try and slow down the competition to spread out matches. If I needed to miss one match to fix the robot at an off-season event, I wouldn't panic too much. Especially if there were more matches to be played as a result of the quicker pace. |
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Team 2340 has signed up to bring the Ruckus team list to 33!
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The Ruckus team cap will be 40 teams.
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48 73 145 174 188 191 229 340 378 379 578 610 639 1126 1334 1405 1507 1518 1511 1551 1559 2168 2228 2340 2791 3015 3044 3157 3173 3181 3193 3266 3683 3756 3951 4093 4124 There are no further rule changes to the game other than what has been posted on the website, and the Alliance Selection process will be the same as the standard FIRST procedure (24 teams will play in the eliminations rounds). We will have real-time scoring, but penalties will be added after the match has ended. To keep a faster turn-around time, penalties will not be discussed after the match. For our fun events, Punkin’ Chunkin will return, and we are still hoping to keep Mentor Matches! As usual, you will also have the opportunity to pie you favorite FIRSTer in the face during the annual “Pie-in-the-Eye.” During the event, we are also holding a Mega Drive (specifics to come later)! It should be a great time for all! As always, check out the Ruckus Facebook and Website. Volunteer Registration is still open! |
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I've got a suggestion to raise additional funding for Pie in the Eye.
If a recipient of the pie-ing is willing (I am), I was wondering if the Ruckus staff could give people two parallel pathways to pie retribution against that person: 1. The usual way - sell tickets to be put in a bucket. One is drawn randomly and that person gets to pie the recipient. 2. The IRI way - have a silent auction which gives people full control over whether they win a chance to pie or not - lay out a bidding sheet where people openly bid for the right to pie someone. Both pies could be applied to the recipient simultaneously to avoid spending much extra time per pie recipient. |
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I am willing to get face-pied for charity as well.
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I can only imagine the lengths 174 students would go though to pie me.
EDIT: Dang it Patrick, you took the 174th post. I'll take 174th reply though... |
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Speaking of which, I would be HAPPY as always to get pied for charity, (well, after there's pie in my hair I might not be so happy...) and I'm fine with Travis' idea regarding auctioning. A bidding war between friends is perfect if it helps get more money. :) |
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Let's welcome team 145 T-Rex and Team 3003 TanX to the fold. Only a few spots left if teams want to sign up!
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The Rah Cha Cha Ruckus needs you!
We have 24 volunteers signed up and have needs in many positions (except ref). If you want to participate in the funnest off season around and get a sweet t-shirt (designed by me ;P ) plus free lunch sign on up. You won't be sorry you did. |
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At this time, we would like to announce that team registration for the 2012 Rah Cha Cha Ruckus is now closed. Thank you to all teams for your interest!
Second, volunteer registrastion is still open! Help make this year even better! It is a fun event, and you will get a cool t-shirt (designed by the one and only Koko Ed!) and a free lunch! There are still many positions open (except ref) and you are pretty much guaranteed to have a great time! |
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Hey, Is there any number on qualification matches this year? I was wondering considering the larger number of teams.
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I wish I could come but there is school and all that, plus I don't think my parents want me driving 8 hours to Rochester, and I certainly don't want to pay for gas for that. Will there be a webcast?
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Hey everyone, this is just a reminder that T-Shirt pre-orders close today! If you haven't done so, and your team wants extra shirts, pre-order them! We will, as usual, have some shirts for sale on the day of the event.
In addition, the fun events for this year along with details about the MEGA-Drive this year have been posted on the Ruckus Website There are also a few more cool things the Committee is hoping to bring to make this year the best yet! We hope you are all getting excited! Quote:
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Unfortunately, due to budget issues and student participation issues, 3193 has withdrawn from the Ruckus. We hope to compete next season when our finances are better, but we just can't do it this season.
I will still be attending with Team 48, and I hope to bring along a few Falco Tech rookie students so they can get their first taste of a great FIRST competition experience. |
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907 will have a few vetrans and most of our rookies there to get a taste of what competition is like.
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We are getting closer and closer to an awesome Ruckus! Check out this cool intro video with all of the teams that will be competing!
So, if you are attending, what are you most excited for? The great teams, the chance to pie your favorite FIRSTer in the face, the Halloween Party? There will definitely be a lot going on this year! |
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Phew!
We came close to having to call this one off due to various difficulties, but with a lot of help, we are gonna make it there. Profuse thanks to all those giving us a hand! 10 days until the Swan Song. |
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I would just like to put out a reminder that 1551 currently does not have a functional bridge -- I know that several teams said they have extras and would bring them so that we can compete not on a tether, and I just wanted to be sure we're all on the same page!
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Ruckus is only a few days away!! Remember, your team can win a bunch of cool prizes in this year's Mega Drive. It is a bigger and better version of our annual charity drive, and more information can be found on our website! Last year, team 48 took home the trophy. Who will make the largest contribution this year?
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Only 3 more days! Here a few updates!
Information on the Charity Drive can be found here. Participate and you could win some cool things! If you are interested, remember to sign up for our annual Pie-in-the-Eye event! There will not be wi-fi available in the dome. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. The Team list stands at an awesome 37 teams! 48 73 145 174 188 191 229 340 378 379 578 610 639 1126 1334 1405 1507 1511 1518 1551 1559 2168 2228 2340 2791 3003 3015 3044 3157 3173 3181 3683 3756 3951 4093 4124 4203 Who is excited? |
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Anyone in town tonight for the Ruckus might want to check out the ROC City Roller Girls zombie walk -- starts at 9pm at JAVA, ends at the Little Theater, where they'll be showing a Wes Craven double feature!
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All of us teams have some work to do when it comes to making our alliance selections...I can tell you that right now...
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Webcast got cut out during finals match
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The winning alliance was 340, 48 and 378. Ruckus finalists after 2 very close, hard fought and intense matches were 610, 1559 (once again united at Ruckus) and 2168. The elimination matches were great!
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