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Nick Lawrence 20-08-2012 12:43

Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Team 548 has released a statement regarding the events on Einstein.

You can read it here, along with FIRST's official response.

Please keep this civil!

-Nick

IndySam 20-08-2012 12:44

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Lawrence (Post 1182300)
Team 548 has released a statement regarding the events on Einstein.

http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...log_title_here

Please keep this civil!

-Nick

You need to work on your url skills, how civil was that?

Kris Verdeyen 20-08-2012 12:45

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
The statement is here:

http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default..._statement.pdf

Gregor 20-08-2012 12:46

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IndySam (Post 1182301)
You need to work on your url skills, how civil was that?

Seems like the first thread he posted was deleted, and the new one has the incorrect link. Original link is here.

JB987 20-08-2012 12:47

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
For additional consideration, from Frank:

Blog Date:
Monday, August 20, 2012 - 09:38
Hello Teams,

Team 548 contacted me recently and asked if I would be willing to publish a statement from them regarding the events on Einstein on the FRC Blog. You can find their statement here. This statement represents, in part, their Steering Committee’s understanding of events that took place during the Einstein matches. To be clear, there are some differences between this understanding of events and the events as presented in the Einstein Report. FIRST continues to stand by its report. (My emphasis).

Taylor 20-08-2012 13:19

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB987 (Post 1182304)
For additional consideration, from Frank:

Blog Date:
Monday, August 20, 2012 - 09:38
Hello Teams,

Team 548 contacted me recently and asked if I would be willing to publish a statement from them regarding the events on Einstein on the FRC Blog. You can find their statement here. This statement represents, in part, their Steering Committee’s understanding of events that took place during the Einstein matches. To be clear, there are some differences between this understanding of events and the events as presented in the Einstein Report. FIRST continues to stand by its report. (My emphasis).

A dozen people can watch the same bank robbery and provide twelve different accounts of what happened (and likely twelve different descriptions of the burglar's appearance).

quinxorin 20-08-2012 14:13

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
It gets you thinking, though, doesn't it? Was banning him from ever participating in FIRST again really the right thing to do?

BigJ 20-08-2012 14:16

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quinxorin (Post 1182308)
It gets you thinking, though, doesn't it? Was banning him from ever participating in FIRST again really the right thing to do?

(At least) one match was tampered with knowingly and purposefully. I'm sure whoever made the final decision regarding consequences did not take it the least bit lightly.

Libby K 20-08-2012 14:17

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Unfortunately, creating an interruption is not the way to 'make a point'. Sorry, I'm not giving anyone a pass on this one. You're supposed to listen to staff and volunteers, and this person didn't.

Good on 548 for coming forward, although the major discrepancies between their statement and FIRST's report still leaves questions for me.

dodar 20-08-2012 14:18

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quinxorin (Post 1182308)
It gets you thinking, though, doesn't it? Was banning him from ever participating in FIRST again really the right thing to do?

I dont remember ever reading that he got a lifetime ban from FIRST.

BigJ 20-08-2012 14:22

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodar (Post 1182311)
I dont remember ever reading that he got a lifetime ban from FIRST.

From http://www3.usfirst.org/node/2426

Quote:

In addition, FIRST has prohibited the individual from participating in any future FIRST event as a coach, mentor, volunteer or in any other capacity. This is the penalty associated with an intentional act of interference.

Jay O'Donnell 20-08-2012 14:25

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
I think it's a good thing 548 came out and said this. I very much hope that they stay a respected team in our FIRST community and continue to be successful. In regards to the individual, what's been said has already been said and I don't need to go into that. Great job 548, you guys have done nothing wrong in this process, and have my respect for coming out about it.

Nick Lawrence 20-08-2012 14:38

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
There are some major discrepancies present here. While not to start another famous "CD-Massacre" the report and this letter do not match up. I applaud 548 for coming forth with this, it takes a lot of bravery to do that. However, the information they have been given and the conclusions they came to simply don't make sense when you stack them up against the report and individual accounts of that afternoon.

Still, kudos 548 for at least making the statement in the first place.

Now we can move on a little more.

-Nick

quinxorin 20-08-2012 14:38

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Libby K (Post 1182310)
Unfortunately, creating an interruption is not the way to 'make a point'. Sorry, I'm not giving anyone a pass on this one. You're supposed to listen to staff and volunteers, and this person didn't.

Good on 548 for coming forward, although the major discrepancies between their statement and FIRST's report still leaves questions for me.

Assuming 548's account to be accurate, what would have happened if he hadn't made his point? The field personnel appear to have brushed him off originally. There may have never been an Einstein investigation, and we never would have known what happened. We also wouldn't have known that there was a vulnerability, and as such it may have been years before it was fixed.

Because the individual did this only after attempting to interact with the field personnel, I feel his actions were entirely warranted and correct.

Of course, this is all predicated on 548's version of events being correct. It seems believable to me, primarily because FIRST was so vague in this area.

Nick Lawrence 20-08-2012 14:41

Re: Team 548 Einstein Statement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by quinxorin (Post 1182317)
Because the individual did this only after attempting to interact with the field personnel, I feel his actions were entirely warranted and correct.

So, intentionally attempting to alter the course of the finals (or any match via interference methods) is okay to you for the sake of protest?

Wow.

-Nick


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