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EricH 28-08-2012 16:44

Re: FRC "Population" Maps
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1183429)
I don't think Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, or the Bronx count as cities separate from New York City...

Which highlights the one major problem with the FIRST website location column: The teams fill it out, which means that sometimes you get addresses, and sometimes you get regions. 12 teams in Los Angeles--but if you look at the area around L.A. proper, there are easily enough for 2 small regionals with minimal outside or repeat teams. (And I know that one of the teams at least used to use "Southern California" as their location--talk about vague!) You're also hoping that nobody misspells their team name.

Nate Laverdure 28-08-2012 16:56

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1183430)
Which highlights the one major problem with the FIRST website location column...

...Which is why Mark at 358 has been collecting more accurate team locations (in the form of the GPS coordinates of each team's school) in his All FRC Teams Ever (XLS link) spreadsheet. He's got just over 20% of them now.

Jon Stratis 28-08-2012 16:57

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Another oddity...

St. Paul, MN - 6
Saint Paul, MN - 5


1075guy, where do your population numbers come from?

In doing an analysis against population, does it make sense to look at numbers by city or some other grouping? Most major cities have significant suburbs that would show up as different cities on the listing. For example, Woodbury, MN has 3 teams, and is about 5 minutes from downtown St. Paul. These suburbs typically have lower population numbers, but could contribute significantly to the number of teams around that city.

Given the data available to us, doing it might be best to do it by state.

EllaElectrical 28-08-2012 17:26

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Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1183434)
Another oddity...

St. Paul, MN - 6
Saint Paul, MN - 5


1075guy, where do your population numbers come from?

In doing an analysis against population, does it make sense to look at numbers by city or some other grouping? Most major cities have significant suburbs that would show up as different cities on the listing. For example, Woodbury, MN has 3 teams, and is about 5 minutes from downtown St. Paul. These suburbs typically have lower population numbers, but could contribute significantly to the number of teams around that city.

Given the data available to us, doing it might be best to do it by state.

Hmm true I have another spreadsheet of all my numbers I'll check through for errors like this and make another map (looking at the other errors people have pointed out). I got the places from blue alliance then totaled then manually, which is why I have some errors like that and Liberty, IN (sorry about that by the way).

Mark McLeod 28-08-2012 18:07

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Another problem is duplicate teams. Your tally has 293 more teams than there really are (2339).
Hauppauge, NY for instance is in the list twice, but it only hosts a single team.

EllaElectrical 28-08-2012 19:03

Re: FRC "Population" Maps
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1183436)
Another problem is duplicate teams. Your tally has 293 more teams than there really are (2339).
Hauppauge, NY for instance is in the list twice, but it only hosts a single team.


Okay, yeah thanks I'm not sure how they happened but hopefully I'll be able to update most of it later tonight. :)

JamesC 28-08-2012 20:10

Re: FRC "Population" Maps
 
Hey All,

Just for fun, here's all of the teams active in 2012 plotted on a Google Maps interactive plot.

http://batchgeo.com/map/7a90e9236610...640cbca7d36d9d

Data is based on the Lat/Lon coordinates from the All FRC Teams Ever xls file provided by Mark from 358 and Nate from 122!

Apologies if your version is as slow as mine, maybe there's too many teams these days...

Cheers!

BJT 28-08-2012 20:27

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You have some teams that have folded quite a while ago. I see about 5 in ND, but as of last year only 2 were still going.

connor.worley 28-08-2012 21:44

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Cool, but the total team count seems low.

Racer26 29-08-2012 10:40

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Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1183434)
1075guy, where do your population numbers come from?

Google cityname population. Most of them were 2011 census numbers, shown as the top result.

Was trying to evaluate teams by density. Teams per capita, if you will.

To have two Canadian cities in the top 5 is impressive though. There's a reason
Canada has been consistently producing world-class robots.

What would also be interesting is a FIRST teams divided by highschools in a city. That would show FIRST penetration in terms of the FIRST team in every school goal.

jwallace15 29-08-2012 11:21

Re: FRC "Population" Maps
 
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Originally Posted by JamesC (Post 1183449)
Hey All,

Just for fun, here's all of the teams active in 2012 plotted on a Google Maps interactive plot.

http://batchgeo.com/map/7a90e9236610...640cbca7d36d9d

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJT (Post 1183453)
You have some teams that have folded quite a while ago. I see about 5 in ND, but as of last year only 2 were still going.

I'm seeing a problem with this map elsewhere. I know it doesn't really matter because it's one team, but it shows my team located at a Technical Center. Our team moved locations 4 to 5 years ago.

EllaElectrical 29-08-2012 11:26

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Originally Posted by jwallace15 (Post 1183506)
I'm seeing a problem with this map elsewhere. I know it doesn't really matter because it's one team, but it shows my team located at a Technical Center. Our team moved locations 4 to 5 years ago.

Yeah, I'm making new maps using the FIRST website instead of blue alliance so hopefully these errors will be eliminated. :)

jwallace15 29-08-2012 11:36

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Originally Posted by EllaElectrical (Post 1183507)
Yeah, I'm making new maps using the FIRST website instead of blue alliance so hopefully these errors will be eliminated. :)

Good luck! Post it here when you finish. I want to see the finished product!

JamesC 29-08-2012 14:12

Re: FRC "Population" Maps
 
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Originally Posted by EllaElectrical (Post 1183507)
Yeah, I'm making new maps using the FIRST website instead of blue alliance so hopefully these errors will be eliminated. :)

I don't suppose you've got a data source hanging around with the locations of the regional/district events too? It'd be interesting to see the spatial organization of teams surrounding event locations...

dodar 29-08-2012 14:18

Re: FRC "Population" Maps
 
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Originally Posted by JamesC (Post 1183529)
I don't suppose you've got a data source hanging around with the locations of the regional/district events too? It'd be interesting to see the spatial organization of teams surrounding event locations...

Seeing as an event map has been posted on CD so many times I cant even count, all it would take is to just overlay the two maps.


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