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Another season is upon us.
Registration begins September 27 and teams are debating their competition schedules. Just something to start with, here are a couple of geographical time lapse looks at team growth each year since 1992. They're in the form of a 21 year slide show. Colors change to signify each event structure change, e.g., 1995: added a second event called Nationals, 2009:added the District system. By the last slide Red is Championship, Blue are Regionals, Yellow are Districts, Green are District Championships, Purple are Teams. Click through the slides or download and it should run automatically.If anyone wants to do a version featuring their own local area, all the maps are linked at the top of this page: http://www.team358.org/files/frc_records/index.php For instance, I have one zoomed in to just show the development of local Long Island teams. |
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Hopefully all the MAR events will be announced/confirmed like, before Wednesday night...
EDIT: Just checked FIRST's website, the TCNJ district and Bridgewater district are listed! |
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Nice presentation Mark. :D
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Initial capacity reached by
Here's how the first hour of registration looked. |
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We're staying waitlisted. Even if it means FIRST doesn't recognize us as a team yet. We want in BMR! |
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Pittsburgh (30) showing full
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2:54pm hit 1000 registered teams.
That took a day and a half last season. We're 50% over last year at this same time. The next set of events now approaching initial capacity are:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but "filled regionals" in the first round are never actually filled, but rather list 60-70 percent of their final capacity.
Also, I have had trouble finding the open registration date... any help? EDIT: Found all relevant dates for registration. I'll post them here All times are at noon Sept 27: Initial Registration Oct 1: KOP option opens Oct 4: Local Kickoff Registration begins Oct 11: Second District Registration begins Oct 11: CMP Registration for Pre-Qualified Teams begins Oct 18: KOP Option closes Oct 25: CMP Waitlist opens for non-2012 CMP-attending veterans Oct 25: 2nd Regional Registration begins Nov. 1: Open Event Registration period begins Dec 6: All event registration closes Dec 7: Initial payment due |
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The date you're probably looking for is on the Season Calendar: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/calendar/
Initial capacity usually leaves at least 10 slots, sometimes more if big area growth is anticipated, for rookies who haven't registered yet. If the rookies don't show, then waitlisted teams can get them. Sometimes not enough slots are reserved for rookies and the Regional asks for veteran team to voluntarily transfer elsewhere. |
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A few more events are approaching Initial Capacity.
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Last year it was at least 2-3 days before it reached capacity. |
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SBPLI (39), WPI(32) & Silicon Valley(42) Regionals are at Initial Capacity now as well.
Oregon Regional (54) filled by 10:30pm The Bosnian team has returned from some time off. The Netherlands, Germany, Chile, Israel, Canada, US, Australia, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Turkey - all heard from. 69 rookie teams are eager to begin. More than half the teams from last year re-registered during the first day. Here's how the first day of Registration looked in comparison to last year. Pretty healthy growth resulting in a record number (7) of sold out events on the first day. |
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1-Is there any way to see what number on the waitlist you are?
2-When do they typically start to pull from the list? |
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It varies depending on rookie team registration. It can be as early as Nov. and as late as Jan or Feb. The Regional Directors are the ones who begin authorizing the clearing of the waitlist because they are in the know of late registering rookies. |
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Registering when you did put you pretty high on the waitlist, if not at the top, and we only get a couple of rookies each year. You can drop Ginny a note if you want reassurance. |
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Seattle has gone to a waitlist.
Others running short are now:
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Where do the rookie team numbers start?
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According to the director blog, numbers 4450 and up are 2013 rookies.
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There is more information somewhere on the FIRST website, but I cannot seem to find it. |
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There are examples of new teams getting low numbers this year:
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Team numbers by year
FRC Teams #1-#208 were rookies in or before 1998 (this is due to FIRST giving teams new numbers every year previously). Teams #209-#335 were rookies in 1999. Teams #336-#491 were rookies in 2000. Teams #492-#716 were rookies in 2001. Teams #717-#999 were rookies in 2002. Teams #1000-#1238 were rookies in 2003. Teams #1239-#1497 were rookies in 2004. Teams #1498-#1709 were rookies in 2005. Teams #1710-#1980 were rookies in 2006. Teams #1981-#2287 were rookies in 2007. Teams #2330-#2681 were rookies in 2008. Teams #2702-#3122 were rookies in 2009 (no even numbers between 2702 and 2826). Teams #3123-3423 were rookies in 2010. Teams #3450-3883 were rookies in 2011. Teams #3925-4410 were rookies in 2012. Teams #4450-xxxx were rookies in 2013. |
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Am I the only one who is seeing a distinct lack of teams in New Your State north of the New Jersey border? I mean, Rockland & Orange counties are quite heavily populated, but not a single team. I wonder why? . |
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Waterloo has reached Initial Capacity.
A second Australian team registered for Hawaii late last night and Saskatchewan has been heard from. Quote:
This is a snapshot of all the NY FRC teams there have ever been, and it's pretty empty there. |
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Silicon Valley has 118 and 148 attending. Those are gonna be some exciting elimination matches.
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Plenty of room in CVR though! And 568 is showing some Sacramento love! Can't wait to meet 'em!
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More than 1400 teams registered now, almost a week ahead of last year.
(This doesn't count teams that are unreported while pending (estimated to be ~39) on the waitlists (waitpools might be a more accurate term, since no order is assumed) of the unusually large number of oversubscribed events) 89 new teams (3 aren't considered rookies) Rookie team generation:
Michigan & NY are next at 102 and 93 respectively. |
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Mark, where are we as compared to last year and how many total teams were there last year?
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[quote=Mark McLeod;1188196]Events at Initial Capacity:[list=1]
Mark, Would it be time consuming to add the capacity of each of those to your list? And the week. Just ruminating.... |
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We're at 1415 now vs the 2012 total at this time of 1143 teams. That's 5 days ahead of last season or a ~24% gain. |
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Events at Initial Capacity: 1. Granite State (Week 1, 23 Slots) 2. Boilermaker (Week 3, 30 Slots) 3. Pittsburgh (Week 3, 30 Slots) 4. WPI (Week 2, 32 Slots) 5. LI (Week 6, 39 Slots) 6. Silicon Valley (Week 6, 42 Slots) 7. Oregon (Week 2, 54 Slots) 8. Seattle (Week 5, 54 Slots) 9. Waterloo (Week 4, 20 Slots) Events with Initial openings reduced to single digits: (1) St. Louis (Week 3, 25 Slots) (4) Phoenix (Week 4, 40 Slots) (4) Midwest (Week 6, 43 Slots) (7) Peachtree (Week 3, 46 Slots) (6) Boston (Week 4, 43 Slots) (8) MAR Hatboro-Horsham (Week 1.5, 36 Slots) (9) Montreal (Week 3, 42 Slots) (9) Razorback (Week 6, 30 Slots) The most popular 1st choice among the new Regional events: (21) Razorback (Week 6, 30 Slots) (13) Crossroads (Week 6, 38 Slots) (9) Northern Lights (Week 2, 40 Slots) (9) Inland Empire (Week 5, 40 Slots) (7) Hub City (Week 1, 44 Slots) (6) Central Washington (Week 4, 42 Slots) (6) Pine Tree (Week 6, 38 Slots) (4) Western Canadian (Week 6, 38 Slots) |
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I can add the max capacity with the caveat that my total capacity can only be considered, at best, an outsiders estimate. The total capacity of an event is at the sole discretion of the Regional Director. So I can use the numbers from last season if the venue hasn't changed, or the Initial Capacity +10 or 12. But circumstances and considerations that I can't possibly know about can make those numbers unreliable. P.S. Is what James posted what you are looking for? |
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St. Louis, Phoenix, & Midwest also reached initial capacity this morning.
15.5% of Regionals are at the "waitpool"* stage. And we have over 1500 teams registered now. 64% of last year's max teams. New category, events at Initial Capacity who subsequently add more teams:
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Oh wow, I didn't realize that GSR was such a small capacity this year - we were hoping to maybe be able to slide in their for our second registration choice, but maybe not now. We're already registered for WPI in week 2, and I wasn't really looking forward to doing regionals back to back (even if one of them is insanely local and I get to sleep at home), but if that's the way it worked out, then so be it.
Glad to see that Boston still has some capacity, so fingers crossed by the time that second regional registration rolls around, slots are still available since we have our eye on it. ;) |
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1311 is registered for an out of town event for their primary regional. Smokey Mountains. We will be pursuing Chairman's there.
Georgia is having explosive FRC growth. Last year produced 18 new teams and they are all back for this year. Even though 5 or so rookies have registered this year that number may double. Where will 1311's second regional be ? We do not know. Peachtree is going to be extremely tight. We may have to travel a long way to somewhere ? And things happening at the 'IC' will be really tough.... Where are the new regionals ? I wish we had the money, Hawaii would be nice. I'm digging that Luau.... EDIT: Of the 18 rookie teams in Georgia last year, 16 are returning. |
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New Regionals (not counting the Duluth doubling):
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Has anyone been able to determine which of the new Regionals will be NASA-funded, if any?
I see the application process opens tomorrow (Oct. 3) so I guess we'll find out then. |
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As for regional ideas, Bayou isn't too bad of a drive, and if you want to take the week 1 gamble (I always see week 1's as gambles. you are part of the teams that decide the fate of the game) and go to Palmetto. |
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With the growth of FRC in the south, I forsee FIRST doing a new regional next year possibly in the panhandle of Florida or in Jacksonville. This would probably be a big ticket regional because you could pull teams from Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and Florida.
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I think 2003 Sacremento & 2005 Finger Lakes were both rookies and 1st week events.
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Washington DC in 2009 i believe
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More than 1600 teams now showing as registered (plus a guesstimated 40-50 hidden on waitlists). Last year only had 1307 teams showing (with a guesstimated waitlist of maybe 30 teams).
Last year's registration didn't reach 1600 until 8 days later. Peachtree reached Initial Capacity. More than 100 new teams. I looked it up and SAC was in week 1 in 2003 (also confirmed DC in 2009). So here's the list compiled from everyone's contributions of rookie regionals held the first week of competition:
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Add Orlando to the list in the single digits with 47 teams registered we are down to 7 initial slots
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There have been repositionings as a few teams have withdrawn from some events and moved to others.
Maybe due to nerves as events fill up so quickly. I'd guesstimate that at least two Regionals are now showing in the single digits of maximum venue capacity. At least one has already assigned 6 slots past what was listed for Initial Capacity. Of course, waitpools for each event may have already made the allocation of remaining spots moot, just waiting on potential rookies, then HQ and the RD's to assign the remaining slots to teams waiting in the wings. 22% of Regional Events are at Initial Capacity (last year it was 11%, 6 Regionals + 1 District at this time):
14 defunct veteran teams have resurfaced, the oldest having been away for 11 years (Hampton Bays High School here on Long Island). 36% of last year's teams have yet to re-register. Really 26% are expected to show, since normally 10% of teams do not return the very next year. Of course, it hasn't even been a week yet, so I'm just being impatient. |
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I'd love to see your spreadsheet (or database) that tracks all this. That file must be worth its weight in gold. Thanks for providing all this information for us. |
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It's electronic, so it's weight wouldn't bring much gold I'm sorry to say.
It's a mixture of spreadsheets and databases by this time. It's all in how you manipulate it. Some of the data is available in spreadsheet form on this page if you want to fiddle with it yourself (payments in gold accepted). P.S. Boston reached Initial Capacity (24% of all Regionals are now waitlisted) Here's a snapshot of how this year's registration stands up against previous seasons. Note: dates used for the x-axis have been normalized across the years and aren't 2012 dates. |
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I can post the resurrected vets list tomorrow. I'll edit this post to add it here. -------------------- Resurrected veteran teams # --- yrs away --- Location 601 --- 11 --- Hampton Bays, NY 867 ---- 2 --- Arcadia, CA 981 ---- 2 --- Lebec, CA 1422 --- 7 --- Fresno, CA 1452 --- 3 --- Los Angeles, CA 1571 --- 2 --- Gresham, OR 1617 --- 3 --- Newark, NJ 2037 --- 3 --- Brunssum , Netherlands 2360 --- 3 --- Indianapolis, IN 2609 --- 2 --- Guelph, ON 3032 --- 4 --- Aracaju, SE Brazil 3368 --- 2 --- Mostar, Bosnia-Herzegovina 3684 --- 2 --- Seattle, WA 3829 --- 2 --- Soddy-Daisy, TN This team registered, then disappeared. This might be because they switched to an event that was already at the waitlist stage. 668 ---- 2 --- San Jose, CA ---- These are the new veteran teams: 193 ---- Flanders, NJ 1790 --- Huntington Park, CA 2451 --- Saint Charles, IL (renumbered from 2949) 2685 --- Yonkers, NY Estacado High School in Lubbock, TX originally registered as a new veteran team 1786 (split off from 1817), but has now been reassigned the rookie number 4570 |
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Mark you are awesome for doing this each year! I love seeing this data.
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Smoky Mountain Regional is at Initial Capacity. That 26% of Regionals. No Districts yet.
Events close to Initial Capicity (12% of Regionals/6% of Districts):
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I'm interested to hear about how far past initial event capacities these numbers go.
Kind of disappointed that SMR closed up, but at 40 teams, that seems a little small, especially compared to what they were rocking last year. - Sunny G. |
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Ever since it started Smoky Mountain could only accommodate 50 teams.
In 2010 Smoky Mtn was forced to ask for volunteers to free up spots for two rookies, so there wasn't a lot of leeway at the time. |
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Is anyone else noticing a drop off of rookie teams in there area? Last year Florida had 26 rookies and this year we only have 4. The only big factor that I think could be the cause is JC Penny no longer sponsoring rookie am I wrong in thinking that or is it to early in registration to count out a mass influx of rookies?
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Florida had 6 rookies by this time last year.
We have 132 new teams registered compared to 112 at this same time last year. When making these comparisons, we can't compare early numbers from this year with the final number from last year. That particular cognitive bias skews our perceptions. Rookies tend to sign up later, because it takes them awhile to organize for the first time, they don't start until September, and they have spots reserved at the local regional through December, so there isn't any rush. |
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Los Angeles Regional's reached the waitlist stage now.
Lake Superior entered the single digit stage (lost of room left at Northern Lights though). |
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The Orlando Regional is now down to just 1 open slot.
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Here's a headcount:
Total teams / Rookies / Missing / Place 159 -- 11 -- 53 - CA 119 -- 7 --- 78 - MI 116 -- 6 --- 43 - MN 107 -- 5 --- 33 - NY 91 --- 11 -- 17 - WA 68 --- 3 --- 82 - TX 63 --- 7 --- 9 -- PA 56 --- 2 --- 10 - NJ 56 --- 4 --- 24 - FL 50 --- 1 --- 8 -- MA 48 --- 3 --- 22 - VA 47 --- 3 --- 14 - MO 47 --- 1 --- 10 - IL 42 --- 2 --- 8 -- OK 40 --- 2 --- 5 -- IN 40 --- 2 --- 3 -- CT 39 --- 2 --- 7 -- OR 39 --- 6 --- 13 - GA 39 --- 2 --- 7 -- AZ 37 --- 4 --- 46 - Canada-ON 36 --- 1 --- 21 - OH 31 --- 7 --- 3 -- TN 31 --- 2 --- 8 -- NC 31 --- 3 --- 4 -- Canada-QC 28 --- 4 --- 12 - MD 25 --- 1 --- 10 - WI 25 --- 3 --- 9 -- SC 20 --- 2 --- 22 - CO 19 --- 1 --- 12 - NH 16 --- ---- 4 --- KS 16 --- ---- 20 -- HI 16 --- 9 --- ---- AR 13 --- 1 --- 4 -- ID 12 --- 3 --- 1 -- ME 12 --- ---- 19 -- LA 9 ---- ---- 2 --- AL 8 ---- ---- 4 --- KY 7 ---- 1 --- 4 -- MS 7 ---- ---- 14 -- Mexico 7 ---- 1 --- 9 -- DC 6 ---- 1 --- 5 -- NV 6 ---- ---- 38 -- Israel 5 ---- ---- 1 --- Brazil 4 ---- ---- 1 --- RI 4 ---- ---- ----- IA 3 ---- ---- 1 --- WV 3 ---- ---- ----- VT 3 ---- ---- 15 -- UT 3 ---- ---- 2 --- Turkey 3 ---- ---- 3 --- NM 3 ---- ---- 3 --- MT 3 ---- 2 --- ---- Australia 2 ---- ---- 1 --- WY 2 ---- 1 --- ---- Netherlands 2 ---- ---- ----- AK 1 ---- ---- 1 --- United Kingdom 1 ---- ---- ----- PR 1 ---- ---- 1 --- ND 1 ---- ---- ----- Germany 1 ---- ---- ----- Dominican Republic 1 ---- ---- 1 --- DE 1 ---- ---- ----- Chile 1 ---- 1 --- ---- Canada-SK 1 ---- 1 --- ---- Canada-BC 1 ---- ---- 1 --- Canada-AB 1 ---- ---- ----- Bosnia |
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Aside from going on the waitlist and crossing our fingers, North Carolina is our only real hope for not driving six hours to a regional: North Carolina Regional (Week 3, 235 miles, 3h53m) Virginia Regional (Week 3, 373 miles, 6h15m) Washington DC Regional (Week 5, 484 miles, 8h7m) Chesapeake Regional (Week 7, 521 miles, 8h52m) South Florida Regional (Week 5, 619 miles, 10h10m) Crossroads Regional (Week 6, 688 miles, 11h4m) Bayou Regional (Week 4, 689 miles, 11h10m) (Distances are pulled from Google Maps, using 2815's shop and the address listed by FIRST.) It might be close to time for a fifth regional in the NC/SC/GA/Eastern TN area--there's certainly no shortage of venues capable of hosting it. (Columbia and Clemson would be natural choices, as Colonial Life Arena and Littlejohn Coliseum have each hosted the Palmetto Regional in the past, but Greenville and Charlotte could be plausible as well.) |
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A lot of us are having that same concern.
I have a list just like yours heading in the southerly direction. The Booster club is costing out the travel to a series of events. Maybe we'll see you in North Carolina or Virginia.:rolleyes: |
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Mark can you post what teams are missing so far from PA and NJ? I'd like to check up on a few of them and see if any need help.
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Missing DE, NJ, PA teams.
There are some PA teams obviously from outside of MAR: DE ---- 1370 ---- Middletown, DE NJ ----- 136 ---- Plainfield, NJ NJ ----- 219 ---- Washington, NJ NJ ----- 752 ---- Newark, NJ NJ ---- 1367 ---- Newark, NJ NJ ---- 1791 ---- Clayton, NJ NJ ---- 1881 ---- Paterson, NJ NJ ---- 2554 ---- Edison, NJ NJ ---- 4128 ---- Holmdel, NJ NJ ---- 4347 ---- Paterson, NJ NJ ---- 4361 ---- Succasunna, NJ PA ----- 117 ---- Pittsburgh, PA PA ----- 433 ---- Flourtown, PA PA ---- 1743 ---- Pittsburgh, PA PA ---- 2428 ---- Sewickley, PA PA ---- 2618 ---- Pittsburgh, PA PA ---- 3062 ---- Natrona Heights, PA PA ---- 3504 ---- Pittsburgh, PA PA ---- 3553 ---- Philadelphia, PA PA ---- 4342 ---- Kennett Square, PA |
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Registration is about 22% over last year at this time.
1780 teams, 142 new teams, 14 vets back from the dead. Out-of-country trips: Turkey -> Midwest Taiwan -> Hawaii Australia -> Hawaii Bosnia -> Israel Brazil -> NYC, Boston, Long Island, Orlando Chile -> Los Angeles Canada -> Seattle, Finger Lakes, NYC, Pittsburgh Mexico -> Lone Star, Montreal, Phoenix, San Diego, South Florida, Western Canada Great Britain -> NYC Dominican Republic -> Orlando Germany -> Orlando Israel -> DC Netherlands -> NC, Las Vegas Puerto Rico -> Boilermaker US -> Tor-West, Western Canada, Waterloo |
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I agree with you!! When we first started the team I believe that we were the 18th team in the state of Washington.... Last year we sent that same number to St. Louis as qualifiers and participants... I totally remember when, at most, there were 5-6 Washington teams at CMP.... this year we had 8 teams that made it into the elimination rounds with two teams in the semi-finals on their fields...amazing work by Kevin Ross... and everyone else in Washington....By the way... we miss you.... even if you are our "remote" mentor from the east coast... Coach |
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Doing Peachtree East/West would go a long way towards opening spaces in the region, as Peachtree can hold 60 while most versions of Palmetto topped out in the upper 40s. |
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