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apalrd 12-12-2012 20:55

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1201445)
The 2012 LabVIEW CAN Library implemented an isochronous mode. It does not block, but also doesn't look for the Ack. It's designed for sending periodic updates where you don't care if a particular message is received. There's a boolean input for whether you want isochronous or blocking.

I see the isochronous mode for the Motor Control Set, but nothing else.
I also see that Read Status sets a timeout of 0 for messages continually transmitted, but could also do a transaction (with 10ms timeout) if requesting something on-demand.

Everything else is still blocking (set parameters require Ack, read parameters are synchronous).

Really, CAN is designed to never care if a message is received, and to transmit everything continuously (with less important information at a slower rate). Having an Ack message makes no sense to me.

Edit: Motor Set defaults to synchronous mode, and the Isochronous input is not in the help. I'm guessing many teams still run in synchronous mode. It should default to isochronous mode, IMO.

Joe Ross 12-12-2012 23:51

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Is it possible to revert a Talon to factory calibration?

Mike Copioli 14-12-2012 15:17

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Ross (Post 1201514)
Is it possible to revert a Talon to factory calibration?

No it is not.

Ether 14-12-2012 15:33

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Copioli (Post 1201876)
No it is not.

Mike, could it be done with a PWM signal generator which generates a known pulse width accurate to 0.001 ms ?



Tom Line 14-12-2012 15:55

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Mike, our last Beta update included a new class for the Victor 888's. I haven't seen one for the Talon yet.

Is one going to be released? If not, what's the recommended class to use? We haven't had any problems using the victor class with it at all.

F22Rapture 15-12-2012 00:33

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
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Originally Posted by Tom Line (Post 1201888)
Mike, our last Beta update included a new class for the Victor 888's. I haven't seen one for the Talon yet.

Is one going to be released? If not, what's the recommended class to use? We haven't had any problems using the victor class with it at all.

We're not in the beta, but I changed my plugin source to the beta channel to ensure compatibility with older code, and as per today's update:


Tom Line 15-12-2012 15:17

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by F22Rapture (Post 1202028)
We're not in the beta, but I changed my plugin source to the beta channel to ensure compatibility with older code, and as per today's update:


Figures. We're now one update behind because we had our seminar and didn't want to break our code by updating a day or two before the seminar. It's probably in there.

Mike Copioli 16-12-2012 09:40

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1201882)
Mike, could it be done with a PWM signal generator which generates a known pulse width accurate to 0.001 ms ?



No. Joe's questions was regarding factory calibration. These settings are what the firmware saves to flash when the Talon is first programmed. These settings are over written once the user performs a successful calibration.

A user calibration could be performed to obtain values that are are close or even the same as what's saved during initial programming. But there would be no way for the user to confirm this.

We did not feel the ability to restore factory calibration was necessary since the procedure would not be much different than performing a user calibration. And a user calibration will yield the best performance.

nerdherdmember 18-12-2012 12:10

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
FRC 422 just received the first 8 of our Talons! They are far smaller than we imagined them to be.

CalTran 18-12-2012 14:40

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Team 2410 put four on our mecanum demo robot and man do they drive like a beauty! Makes driving off of our app so much smoother and easier. Me gusta mucho.

Ether 18-12-2012 15:20

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
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Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1202886)
Makes driving off of our app so much smoother and easier.

Compared to what? (also, what does "off of our app" mean?)



CalTran 18-12-2012 15:29

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ether (Post 1202904)
Compared to what? (also, what does "off of our app" mean?)



Compared to previously having 4 victors. Off our app means we put one of the robot open shields on it and one of our programmers wrote an app too driver the demo bot off a phone with

Ether 18-12-2012 15:34

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
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Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1202908)
Compared to previously having 4 victors. Off our app means we put one of the robot open shields on it and one of our programmers wrote an app too driver the demo bot off a phone with

Were you driving the Victors "off the app" too? ... so that you were comparing apples to apples?



CalTran 18-12-2012 15:37

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Yeah we were driving the Victors off the app as well. The Talons just seemed more responsive. I will admit it was not a blind study so maybe its just the hyper behind the Talons that makes it seem so

Ether 18-12-2012 15:48

Re: New Talon Speed Controller
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1202913)
Yeah we were driving the Victors off the app as well. The Talons just seemed more responsive. I will admit it was not a blind study so maybe its just the hyper behind the Talons that makes it seem so

I'm thinking it's probably the linearity of the Talons which made the difference you noticed.

But as you said, it would be most interesting to conduct a blind study.




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