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DeadlyJohny 26-09-2012 16:33

Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
We need a super quick and easy way to give a jaguar power from the batter, output to a motor, and be able to give an input to it. This is simple for testing purposes but I'd like the input mechanism to be small and portable, any ideas?

Joe Ross 26-09-2012 16:42

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
What you're looking for is often called a servo tester. You can find many schematics online, or buy one from many different hobby sites. Here is one made by a mentor from team 987: http://robotlogic.com/product_servotester.html

Jon Stratis 26-09-2012 16:43

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
It would require a PWM signal. There are a few cheap PWM signal generators out there that i've seen others talk about on CD here, but i've never used one... The short story is no, you cannot control it with just a potentiometer, it's a little more complicated :)

anthonyttu 26-09-2012 16:44

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
An RC controller would be the easiest way to do what it sounds like your trying to do. You would only need the RC transmitter, the receiver and a battery/power supply. You can plug the receiver directly into a JAG with PWM cable.

Ether 26-09-2012 17:46

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadlyJohny (Post 1187458)
We need a super quick and easy way to give a jaguar power from the batter, output to a motor, and be able to give an input to it. This is simple for testing purposes but I'd like the input mechanism to be small and portable, any ideas?

Do you consider a laptop or notebook computer to be small and portable?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2702



dave1027 26-09-2012 18:41

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
I believe the answer to your question is yes...kinda.

You can use a potentiometer to control a jaguar but first you will have to run to radioshack(the shack) and pick up a few things.

You should be able to generate the appropriate signal using a basic 555 timer circuit. I am on my phone righht jow so i do not have the specifics but there are enough web pages a quick google for 555 timer circuit will provide the circuit. The 555 timer circuit uses two resistors to determine the frequency and pulse width of the ouput signal. You should be able to use a poteniometer for the pulse width resistor to create a very simple circuit on a breadboard thst will control a jaguar output via a potentioneter without using any type of digital control.

Sorry this explanation may be better suited to the slightly more advanced reader but a little research online should be enough to enlighten even a beginner.

DonRotolo 26-09-2012 21:32

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave1027 (Post 1187481)
You should be able to generate the appropriate signal using a basic 555 timer circuit.

I made a post on chief Delphi a few years ago showing a circuit that does exactly that. You might want to search for it.

Ether 26-09-2012 21:50

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1187502)
I made a post on chief Delphi a few years ago showing a circuit that does exactly that. You might want to search for it.

I had the link handy so here it is:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=34



dtengineering 27-09-2012 03:16

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
I was wondering if it might not be possible to set the Jag to Analog Position Control Mode using an RS-232 or CAN connection, telling it to head for the 1.5V position. Then set only a proportional response, no I or D.

As you swing the pot to one side the motor should move in one direction, with increasing power relative to the "error" in the Pot. Swing it the other way and the motor should turn in the other direction.

Not that there is anything wrong with the other ways, but is there a reason this wouldn't work? I haven't played with the Jags for years, so I'm just working from the manual here...

Jason

P.S. Not that I don't use 555 timer circuits, but I'd probably be tempted to use a PIC or Arduino to generate the serial code for the Jag, but they could also generate PWM code quite easily. A 16f88 or similar would be a one chip solution... easily programmable in Great Cow Graphical Basic, using a PICKIT2 or PICKIT3 programmer and a breadboard.

roystur44 27-09-2012 03:22

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
Here is the link to our white paper with pics.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2699

Hugh Meyer 27-09-2012 10:16

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
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Here is a link to what we use:

http://gadgetgangster.com/find-a-pro...projectnum=206

You need to lower the value of the output current limiting resistor then it works great.

I suggest you add a current probe to your test rig so you can measure current while you are testing your systems. A 10 gauge wire 12" long works perfect. Use that wire as a shut, it will measure 1 millivolt for 1 amp. There are several threads here that discuss that scheme. Do a search for stangsense.

Here is a photo of our rig that can control two motors. In this photo the motor is running and drawing 3 amps. By having this information you can know that your motor is running within the correct range and that the magic smoke will remain.

-Hugh

Gdeaver 27-09-2012 10:35

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
I have found that a Pololu RC controller to be handy for some robot testing.
http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1352
You could do the same thing with an arduino, but the control application that you would run on the laptop makes it easy to use. Can also read analog 0 to 5 volts so it can double as a sensor checker.

anthonyttu 27-09-2012 10:38

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
Using the CAN/RS-232 method only works if always want to have a laptop or MSP430 or something else to always connected to the CAN buss. If you are going that far there is not much to gain.

MrForbes 27-09-2012 10:40

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
I'm really impressed with how much effort we'll go to, to avoid buying a $25 servo tester.

DonRotolo 27-09-2012 22:18

Re: Is it possible to control a Jaguar with a potentiometer?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtengineering (Post 1187527)
A 16f88 or similar would be a one chip solution... easily programmable in Great Cow Graphical Basic, using a PICKIT2 or PICKIT3 programmer and a breadboard.

A 556 also is a one chip solution. For me, a non-programmed solution is almost always superior to one needing programming. (Not that I dislike programming, it just seems like overkill)
Quote:

Originally Posted by squirrel (Post 1187548)
I'm really impressed with how much effort we'll go to, to avoid buying a $25 servo tester.

Just like Ham radio operators, robot people are cheapskates. Thus the attraction of building a solution for $4 to avoid spending $25.


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