Re: 2013 WPI Regional
 

Great first day at WPI today, despite the snow!

Looking forward to tomorrow. :)

Anyway, here are my photos from today, more to come tomorrow. :)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...39344& type=1

Re: 2013 WPI Regional
 

Good luck everyone tomorrow!!!

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Good luck to you too. You guys have improved a lot since we saw you on the RPI practice field and should be proud of your robot.

-Jack

Re: 2013 WPI Regional
 

No hanging points for the red alliance?

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According to my sources, the ruling was that two robots hanging from the same wrung is worth zero points.

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The Manual has no such rule. If that was indeed the ruling, I would expect a challenge from the red alliance--and probably something coming from FRC HQ if the ruling was upheld.

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Challenged by 2791 and call upheld. Wondering if the bots in some way helped each other climb? I still can't see a way that at least 1 would not get 10 points and I'm struggling to find a way it's not 20.

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I'm guessing this was in the finals and the no call changed the outcome of the match?

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10 hang would have been tie, 20 would have changed the winner.

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No, during the finals it looked like at least one Red robot had hung on the first level (possibly a second robot as well, hard to see from the webcast), but the Red alliance wasn't awarded any hanging points. Could just be my mistake, but it looked good to me.

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Helping each other climb is ALSO not grounds for negating a climb, by itself.

G33: One robot may only climb on another if one of the two is in contact with the pyramid. (Loose translation: If one robot is in contact with its pyramid, and another uses it to climb, then its A-OK per the rules as long as the sequential and number of levels are OK.)

If there were two robots with 10-point hangs who hung on the same rung, and neither hang was counted, then either neither climbed in sequential order (highly unlikely) or both contacted Level 2 while on the floor.

Edit: I haven't checked the Q&A, or watched the event. But this is really starting to sound like a badly blown call in finals, something that hasn't been seen in 5 years. The last time, FIRST opened slots at Championship for the finalists who lost on a scoring call that the Manual didn't support. We'll see what happens this time.

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Did they not even give an explanation? I would hope that in a situation like this they would at least do that so the red alliance would have enough information to argue their case.

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We've been discussing that. 2 robots on the same rung not getting points was the explanation, or so I hear. I could call that a number of things, but I'll just call it unsupportable by the Manual.

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Ah, sorry. But they didn't cite an official rule? Because if they did someone could look it up and correct them if they've misinterpreted something.

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The other possibility is the robots were resting on unseen frisbees, negating the climbs. I suppose we'll wait to see what the teams say once awards are over. But no rules or violations were cited, the scores were shown and that was that.