2013 Waterloo Regional
 

Well I am VERY happy to be able to say that 77WHO?! is officially registered for Waterloo along with 33 other teams, 7 of which are rookies.

This is the 9th Regional held at the University of Waterloo. We have 1 prior World Champion team attending (1114). Two Teams who were on Einstein last year (1114 and 2056). All 3 of the 2012 Waterloo Regional winners are returning to try and reclame the title (1114, 2056, and 4372), and 1 of the Finalists is returning (2852). Two teams have dominated this regional for the past 6 years and are looking to make it number 7 (1114 and 2056). With 10 regional wins together and 2056 never losing a regional in their existance it will be interesting to see what will happen with all this huge competition this year.

We have 34 teams attending this year, which include:
188 - (Regional finalists twice last year)
610 - (1 regional win last year)
772 - (1 regional win last year)
781 - (1 regional win last year)
865
1114 - (2 regional wins last year, Archimedes champions, and Einstein Semi-Finalists, Regional Finalists once)
1241
1305
1310
1846
2056 - (3 regional wins last year, Archimedes champions, and Einstein Semi-Finalists)
2200 - (1 regional win last year)
2386 - (Regional finalists once)
2625
2702
2852 - (Regional Finalists once)
3161 - (Regional Finalists once)
3494
3683
3756
3949
4039
4069
4152
4200
4250
4372 - (1 Regional win last year)
4519
4525
4618
4647
4677
4678
4691

Bold = Rookies

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There are now 3 spots open now, most likely from teams dropping from the Ontario Teacher Work To Rule.


Teams that have dropped:
3756
4250
4670

Hope these teams can continue in FIRST next year when the work to rule is over.

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Considering Team 4670 is from San Antonio, I don't think they were affected by the current labour issue in Ontario. ;)

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Wow they were coming from a far place. But yea I guess not lol

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610 - (1 regional win last year)
772 - (1 regional win last year)
781 - (1 regional win last year)
865
1114 - (2 regional wins last year, Archimedes champions, and Einstein Semi-Finalists, Regional Finalists once)
1241
1305
1310
1846
2056 - (3 regional wins last year, Archimedes champions, and Einstein Semi-Finalists)
2200 - (1 regional win last year)
2386 - (Regional finalists once)
2625
2702
2852 - (Regional Finalists once)
3161 - (Regional Finalists once)
3494
4039
4069
4152
4200
4372 - (1 Regional win last year)
4519
4525
4618
4678


6 Spots open know Because of the Ontario Issues.

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I really am a bit worried about Waterloo from the standpoint that enough of the public school board teams that haven't dropped yet still might, and leave Waterloo with fewer than 24 teams to play. Pretty hard to do eliminations without at least 24 teams.

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I'm pretty sure if they haven't dropped out yet they won't be dropping out. Most, if not all, have established a way to work and find money. I know we have.

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Some are still working it out. For instance, the school may have paid FIRST, and so they still appear in the registrations, but no teacher is supervising, so they can't build a robot, or get out of class to go to the competitions, etc.

There is definitely at least some teams still in limbo.

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Looking forward to an exciting Saturday afternoon filled with a high top tier, and a deep middle tier.

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Aaron

You have 26 teams listed there -- there are 28 listed on usfirst.org

The two teams you left out are:

Team 3683 - Team Dave
Team 3949 - d'Y Robotics

Is there a reason you left them out or was it just a human error (mistake)?

Just curious because as of 4PM on the 14th both teams seem to remain registered for the event.

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More importantly,

Are Paul and Karthik returning as our MC / Game Announcer ?

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We (3756) dropped Waterloo to switch to Toronto. We will also now likely be making an appearance at Waterloo as well - it just hasn't updated in the system yet. I am glad we will be returning once again to our home regional! Despite losing all of our full time mentors this year due to the teacher strike among other things, I think we've managed to produce a pretty fine robot :)

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Yes, the Paul and Karthik show, brought to you by BlackBerry, will be returning to the Waterloo Regional. Be sure to get your popcorn ready!

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Best news this week.

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Good Evening Waterloo Teams... I have some news that I regret having to report on behalf of my former team.

Team 216, 244, and 288 the RoboDawGs of Grandville Michigan have had one of their trucks and trailers stolen out of the hotel parking lot this afternoon.

The Truck is a 2005 Chevy Silverado crew cab [diesel] that is Red in colour. It has a RoboDawG decal on the back window. The Trailer is black that says "AB Rental" along the bottom. License plates on the truck and trailer are both Michigan License plates.

Inside the Trailer, we have 50 or so kid's worth of luggage, some robot bits and the official drive stations. We were in [Oshawa] Toronto when it got stolen at about 4:30 local time.

The local police have been notified about the Truck and Trailer being stolen, but if anyone in the area could keep an eye out and contact me about any information, that would be wonderful. My Father appreciates it, as well as the teams.

My Email to contact me at would be arwilson@mtu.edu , a personal message on Chief Delphi would work as well, but may not be checked as soon.

On behalf of Grandville's teams, we thank you for being a wonderful community that can have each other's backs in time of need, and look forward to finding the truck and trailer.

~Abby "RoboDawg" Wilson


[this was posted as a thread, I was advised to put it here for perhaps more eyes on the situation. If you have already seen this, I apologize]

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Get your popcorn ready! If you can't make it down here today be sure to watch the webcast! http://www.watchfirstnow.com/waterloo

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Looking like ONWA's rankings could get interesting. 1114/2056 play 1 together, and 2 against. If each wins one of the against matches, another team could go undefeated and seed higher.

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The team that looks most likely to be undefeated and place first given that 1114/2056 split their games, is 610. However they do have a match against 1114 on the Saturday I believe.

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Man there are some freaking awesome robots at this event. Deeper field than I first thought.

Saturday will be extremely fun to watch.

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1114 and 2056 play each other twice.

610 plays 1114 once.

Whoever can get through that will seed first.

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GTR West will be exciting as well with the return of 4343 and 1503. Teams will be even further refined. Us Canadian teams fight till we got nothing left!

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1310 just added a nice new dimension to this event. Dat full court shot + potential 7 disc auton. If they can iron out the auton they will give 610/2056/1114 a run for their money.

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I disagree. Have you seen 2702, 1241, and 1310 (There's probably more, but those are just the three I've seen in the last 2 matches)?

They all look really solid. Any one of those teams could do some serious damage with the right partners. If they manage to face 2056/1114/610 with some decent partners they could take it.

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Going to fully agree here. 2702, 1310, and 1241 are just the tip of the rest of these awesome teams. I'm truly excited to see how this event plays out. Everyone has really stepped up their game. So many others show great potential if combined.

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Unfortunately for us, we play 2056/1114 both in one match and 610 in another. It wont be easy to say the least. But we will try our hearts out.

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ONWA is showing JUST how deep the Canadian field has gotten.

Qualification schedules will define the winners and finalists of ONWA and ONTO2, IMO.

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Has Canada has developed a method to send data back in time? Y'know, because the webcast is showing elims already.

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I hope everyone saw 1114 just score 116 points by themselves. Wow...

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I can dig this whole "Regional that feels like non-stop elims" business.

The rest of FIRST: Get your own 1114/2056 duo and you too can have regionals like this in 6 years.

The rise of Canada's second tier REALLY is the unsung story of the whole thing.

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This would be a good event even if 1114 and 2056 weren't there.

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Well.. there goes 275 mark.. even though its with penalties, still ridiculous.

300 soon??

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I realize that. My point is that the REST of Canada is as strong as we are, because we are forever trying to best them. Without 1114 and 2056 this wouldn't be this good, because 1241, 610, 3683, 1310, 4039 and more wouldn't have such a high bar to strive toward.

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The most interesting point of that match is that if the top few teams all stay undefeated or one loss, 2056/1114 should have the top spot because of the large amount of TP now.

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Well with 1114 and 2056 playing against each other twice (Match 48 and 60), if 610 can win match # 52, and go undefeated.

It changes the whole dynamic. I will surely be tuning in for those three matches.

This would have been ok if 1114 and 2056 only played each other once, but twice.. thats rough.

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The odds of someone being tied in autonomous points are very slim.

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Earlier the top 3 teams had the same AP score. But yeah, it's starting to separate now.

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Everybody in Waterloo scares me. :ahh:

I can't stop watching. :cool:

Too good. :)

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Says the guy on 1986, as yet undefeated in 2013, 3rd highest OPR in the world.

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Only in Canada can you score 134 and lose... This is amazing.

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1114 and 2056 have driven everybody to do better, and just about everyone has. The scores I am seeing roll across the scoreboard are insane. 4 straight 100+ point qual matches. Including a foul-free 117-117 match that did not involve 2056, 1114, or 610.

Meanwhile, in Los Angeles, the high score is currently 64 through 26 qualification rounds.

I am truly glad that the Wild Card rule is now in place, and the second tier of Canadian talent gets to qualify for the World Championship even if they can't pull the upset. I have a feeling you will see multiple Canadian robots on Einstein this year.

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That's how it should be. :-)

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That is tough! We thought we (885 - 1519 - 133) had it tough posting 123 points and losing to a score of 157 in the Granite State Regional's Semifinal against the 610 - 4124 - 3609 alliance, but the 134 points scored in the Waterloo Qualifying match #41 is even more incredible! The highest / tightest losing qualification match score in NH was only 81 points to a winning score of 83 points (151, 229, 1519 over 319, 610, 3467 in match #59.)

In any case, after 610 bested us fair and square in the New Hampshire semifinals, we're rooting for them in Waterloo this weekend and are hoping they can go undefeated this time!

Definitely a great regional to watch via the webcast!

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1241 wasnt in that 117-117 match either

As of Q43:
Waterloo winning alliance average score 111
Waterloo LOSING alliance average score 48

Montreal winning alliance qualifications average score: 64.

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There will be riots in the FIRST community if these matches aren't archived on YouTube.

The competition is high, the announcers are exciting and engaging, and the music selection is great. I need to make a trip to Canada in the next few years.

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Dunno about youtube, but Bochek and the WFN folks have been posting the Canadian regionals to www.watchfirstnow.com/archive.php using vimeo.

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Id like to see (as would everyone) a match with 1114, 2056, and 610 on the same alliance. Just imagine the score they could put up...1114 and 2056 can score 250-275 (with fouls but still) and with 610...that just scares me.

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Match 48..... was exciting!!!

This seeding gets very interesting tomorrow. I wish I was in waterloo watching this live.

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2056 just got its first loss of its season against 1114!! They'll get a rematch soon though, we'll see if 1114 can keep its perfect record. Great regional so far

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I'm gonna laugh if the pair make it through the season with their only losses being to each other.

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I only mentioned YouTube because that's what most people use. Anyway, good to know that they're being archived.

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With 2056 having lost, and the rankings sitting how they are, if 610 and 2056 both beat 1114, and nothing goes wrong for 610, they will be the #1 seed tomorrow. If 610 beats 1114, and 1114 beats 2056 again, then 610 has to make up a large (90 point) auton deficit in 3 matches. Unlikely.

But honestly, look at how deep this field is. It is totally plausible for a lower seeded alliance of three strong teams to be a huge threat to 1114 and 2056. What a regional.

It'll be interesting to see if this happens, but if 1114 / 2056 / xxx play 610 / yyy / zzz in the finals... That means that no matter what happens, teams yyy and zzz are going to the Championship.

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Actually, 610 controls it's own destiny. If they win match 52, match 60 becomes irrelevant as both 1114 (q52) and 2056 (q48) would have already lost at least once, opening the door for 610 to seed 1st. each of the top 3 have three matches tomorrow.

The Canadian field has gotten real deep over the past couple years. It would have been awesome if 4334 and 1503 made it to this event. What today did for the Waterloo Regional is make it an attractive regional for teams to go experience.

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It was a great ride today! So far, 1114 has been the only 30 point climber (with a 20 point dump on top of that). We hope to have our climber working properly tomorrow. It was a real thrill being part of the 151-134 match. GTR West promises to be interesting next week as many of the same players will be there.

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Ya that 117 tie was insane for us (772). This is the match the Mike and Justin Recorded by the way, so you will be able to see it from robot view, behind the glass (video and Audio).

Here you can see the Match Video If you missed it.

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This situation is exactly why 4343 is preparing as though the outcome of our showing at west could very likely result in a ticket to CMP. Basically, by the time west rolls around, all the strong teams that will be top contenders at West have already qualified, so making finals is likely all it will take to get a seat.

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That's nucking futs.

Great to see all these strong teams, it really is. I'll definitely have to find a spot to watch Waterloo while I'm at Mt. Olive district.

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All of yesterdays matches are up at http://www.watchfirstnow.com/archive.php

Be sure to watch the live matches today at http://www.watchfirstnow.com/waterloo

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1114 soundly defeats 610 in Q52. Likely now that the winner of Q60 will take the #1 seed.

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OMG that was insane, frisbee every where

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To clarify what that's about, in F1-1 the #2 alliance held the #1 alliance under 200 for the first time in the elimination rounds—but still lost to them 166–139.

Each alliance had about 60 points in autonomous mode, and the match opened with an artillery battle between 610 and 4069 shooting full-court.

On the #1 alliance, 1114's climber appeared tenuous and they elected to hold it at 20 points.

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Alliance #1 wins the event with a score of 239–168 in F1-2.

That's 407 points between the alliances. Definitely a job well done for everyone involved.

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You Canadians put on a helluva show. From the crazy competition to the music selection, Karthik's energy to the Mike and Justin analytics, I was hooked on your stream all weekend.

Well done. In fact, does someone have the email to the event coordinator?

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I want to congratulate all the six finalist teams at this awe inspiring Waterloo Regional. Insane that an alliance can put up 168 points in a match and still end up second. Canada has raised a bar for FIRST, and it is exciting to see what will play out for the rest of the season. Once again congratulations to all who participated in the Waterloo Regional competition. You put on quite a show indeed. :D :D :D

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Thanks to all those who offered, cheered us on and then commiserated with us on as we tried to get our 30 point climber working today. It worked perfectly for about 30 climbs last week on our practice bot but we worked all this weekend to get it going on the good version A 45" hard dismount during the 1st round of semis against 1114, 2056 and 4039 bent the front of the frame and threw off our aim but that has already been repaired. A cracked weld will be reinforced Thursday at GTR West. We do have a plan and hope that it will be working better this coming weekend. We may even have a working dumper. We also may change the name to Humpty Dumpty. Stay tuned.

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I think you may be looking for Brad Morris and Mark Breadner... check the link below for their emails

http://www.firstroboticscanada.org/main/contact/

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Was 610 Full court shooting to score? or were they Full court shooting to feed their waiting alliance partner, 1310, at the opposite end of the field?

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It's hard to tell from the webcast, but it looked like they were missing the centre goal (slightly low) on several occasions.

I think that 610 realized that they weren't quite getting the desired range, and started throwing passes more deliberately the next match. (Their alliance scored 168, so it must have worked pretty well regardless.)

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When 610 full court shoots, their shot interval is normally much slower. Looked like they were trying to send a barrage of disks over to 1310 before they started their cycles.

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That was an amazing regional. A potpourri of thoughts:
-Best rulechange FIRST has ever made is the rule allowing the trickle-down of champs spots to the finalists. People were cheering 1114/2056 throughout finals as they did their amazing feats, knowing that even though they were going to steamroller everyone, it was still possible for one of the many other extremely deserving robots to make it to STL. I really felt a difference in the mood throughout qualifications: no more whisper campaigns, but rather cheering whenever they pulled off 7-disc autons or 50-point climbs. Ontario finally has it all: world-class teams to make us reach higher, and plausibly-attainable champs spots for when we do.
-This regional was insanely deep.
-There needs to be more bleachers.
-I hate those two discs under the pyramid - they sit exactly where we needed to go to get our under-pyramid auton to work, which meant we were missing it most rounds in elims. If we'd hit our 3 discs in auton during our last elimination match, we would've won it.
-I can't believe 4069 was available as a 3rd pick for 1114/2056! An effective full-court shooter to back up the best floor-loader in the world? WHAT? That also speaks to the quality of the robots at this event that the 24th pick was a bullet-like full-court shooter. Waterloo is becoming a bit of an in-season IRI.

Congratulations to every robot there. That was probably the best elimination and qualification round I've ever seen.

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Took me a little while to figure out 2702's logic in declining 1241, but then I remembered the winner of the #4/#5 Quarter plays the winner of the #1/#8 Quarter in the Semis, and 2702 wanted to (and very nearly did!) get their hands on a finalist trophy for the ticket to CMP.

Agreed about the wildcard rules being among the best changes ever. There's still room for improvement, and it hasn't shrunk the target on 1114/2056's back any, but it HAS improved the malicious style of play against them that was becoming quite concerning.

I think there is still a big drive amongst Canada's second tier to best them, as they would forever be "the team(s) that ended 2056's streak".

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Our robot (Taz) sufferred a long-range shooting problem in Waterloo that we can't identify in time for the Elimination rounds. (due to unavailability of a long-distance practice field.) Bad timing as we needed it to outshoot 1114/2056. For the finals, we continued shooting them to feed 1310 who did an amazing job picking them up and score them.

Our normal long-range is like this in BAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_cTC5Ma0A), ~80% to 3 point goal.
[EDIT: fixed link]

We have work cut out for us for Champs to correct this; and maybe we get another crack at this Canadian showdown with 1114 or 2056 at Champs.

The Waterloo stadium was packed with enthusiastic fans. Great atmosphere and amazing competition. Yes, 4069, a good full-court shooter was the 24th pick... crazy.

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My boys are looking forward to seeing many of their favourite teams up close since the FLL World Festival ends on Friday evening and we will most likely stay for Saturday.

Since watching the archived videos of the Elimination Matches, we have been joking with our youngest son that he may want to go live with Grandma in Toronto and join an FRC team there.

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My photos from the regional - message me if you want any High res copies - http://tinyurl.com/ccfxjch