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So, the question every one wants to know the answer to:
Who's going to show up at the 2013 Peachtree Regional? I'm excited to be back as a referee & GeorgiaFIRST member this upcoming season; and I'm expecting to see some big-time action, enough to make my job harder hopefully. |
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1648 is definitely making our way down (up?) to P'tree. It'll be our second event, so hopefully we'll be in stride and make a strong showing.
Just a note 1771, a seasoned veteran, powerhouse, and sitting on the first seed alliance since 2009, will be taking a hiatus for at least this year. I suppose this leaves a slight opening for another team to step in, but the field is still pretty deep. - Sunny G. |
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I'll be attending as a volunteer. I'm trying to be a game announcer for the event, so hopefully that can happen. I'll be coming with 1648 as well. There will be a large gap felt without 1771 and 1311 (unless they clear the waitlist), but one of my friends is a former member of 624, and she says that 624 is on the waitlist for Peachtree. Maybe we'll see the gap in power be fixed by an upcoming team and 624 (if they clear the waitlist).
Anyway, i'm excited for this event this year! I can't wait to see all of the teams and their robots. |
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2815 is also on the waiting list (unless we secure the support to shift to South Florida). Shame about 1771--having played with them twice in two years, those guys are great. I hope they bounce back, either as themselves or buddying up with another team.
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I graduated, so I'm not 100% sure on that though. Anyway, some people from 1771 are going to be with team 4509 from Lanier High School, a "new" rookie team. Their teacher sponsor was one of 1771's old sponsors, (Mike Reilly) and kids from 4509 worked with 1771 last year. Looking forward to this year's competition! |
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Sounds like 1771 isn't really taking a break, just working its way over to 4509. - Sunny G. |
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I wouldn't say that we are moving over, a lot of the kids on 1771 won't be going over. Anyway, that's probably enough about that for this thread... :p |
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At the risk of drawing this thread even more into a downer, 2815 is out of Peachtree as well. We managed to snag the last open spot for South Florida, figuring a bird in the hand beats two in the bush. Might make a Saturday excursion out there, though!
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FRC Flash 1319 is very excited about visiting Georgia once again! It always proves to be a fantastic regional with such great competition.
Sorry to hear that some well-known veteran teams won't be making the trip but there's always more regionals and more seasons! :) |
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2974 will be back this year!
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2415 Will see everyone there!
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Team 3489 Category 5 will be there. Our 3rd year, and our first trip to Peachtree. Hopefully we can get the bugs worked out week 1 at Palmetto.:yikes: Look forward to seeing everyone there.
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FRC 2973, the Mad Rockers, will be at our first Peachtree Regional as 1/3 of the Alabama contingent. Our fifth year of competing, hoping to get over the hump from having at least one major system problem seems like every season. Excited about this season with a good core of returning veteran students and mentors plus an energetic new crowd.
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The waitlists have been cleared for the event.
60 teams 3 teams that have joined from the waitlist: 1311 624 343 ...and the regional suddenly got that much more competitive. |
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Moved to Cumming, Ga at the beginning of January for a job and have started to work with team 1746 at Forsyth Central High School.
Looking forward to attending my first Peachtree regional! |
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Team 1683 will be there
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832 will be there. Looks like things are shaping up to be a great competition!
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I'll be there, as a ref.
So will the rest of the family as your Head Ref and Scorekeeper! |
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Greetings,
I talked to a mentor from 3959 at Palmetto last weekend. There is a group trying to start a regional in Huntsville, AL next year. If I understand the situation correctly they need commitments from a certain number of teams to attend in order to get the regional approved. They have a venue and sponsorship lined up. I figure that a regional in Huntsville could be of interest to teams in Georgia. 3959 can't attend Peachtree this year due to mandatory testing for students. I suggested they send a mentor to Peachtree to talk to teams so keep an eye out if you're interested. Greg |
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I think there's a nice spot in Week 6 that's nicely void of any South East Events. - Sunny G. |
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I've signed up to volunteer as a ref or FTAA. I haven't heard back yet, but I plan on being there.
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I know these things are fairly popular. I'll kick it off. Here's hoping we can get some nice pictures.
- Sunny G. 281 343 624 832 1002 1127 1261 1311 1319 1379 1414 1466 1648 1683 1746 1795 1877 2415 2918 2973 2974 3091 3139 3224 3265 3318 3329 3344 3489 3573 3581 3600 3635 3651 3694 3815 4026 4080 4112 4148 4149 4163 4188 4189 4193 4235 4452 4459 4468 4509 4510 4516 4566 4621 4701 4730 4749 |
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Okay, we'll play along. Pictured here (I hope) is our 2013 entry, Hugo III. You may recognize the graphics on the side as a satellite view of a certain storm in 1989.
Hugo III features: 6 Wheel Nanotube chassis, 4 CIMs driving 4 of the 4" Hi-Grip wheels Adjustable angle shooter (0 to 44 degrees) via Acme screws Single Wheel, 45 degree arc shooter, powered by 2 Mini-CIMs Full court range 18 point autonomous Telescoping upper frame provides 2 shooter heights. 10 point hang using shooter deck. We struggled week 1 at Palmetto with a shooter that was just a little bit off the mark, and unfortunately very consistent. On the plus side, we were able to reinforce the lessons on the difference between accuracy and precision :). We have worked out a new autonomous routine and feel like we have the shooter accuracy issues handled, so here's hoping for a good showing at Peachtree. Look forward to seeing everyone there. http://www.facebook.com/pages/FRC-Te...type=1&theater |
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Here is 624, and we're looking forward to getting back on track this week in GA.
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Added 4468 and 624 to the list.
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4468 will be competing as a rookie team and we are excited to see how we compare to some of the more veteran teams! Hopefully we will have a killer autonomous and full court shooting working at the competition!
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Is there going to be a webcast?
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Who did things go today? Any outstanding robots at this years comp? I sadly couldn't make and our team opted for the orlando regional instead of peachtree. Good luck to everyone!
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654 is the best I've seen all day.
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Anyone who is looking for the webcast, Georgia FIRST just posted a link on the website. It is the same link as last year, and can be found here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/peachtree-regional-frc
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1648 was looking pretty beastly also...
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Some matches that I think will be interesting to watch:
7, 14, 25, 26, 39, 50, 65, 71. |
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Any chance on improving the feed? It looks like Madden 97 and sounds like a dying cat... Better than nothing, but not ideal for scouting...
Edit: it has been consistently better later in the morning, so thanks! |
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624 was beast last year because of their vision system. I'm pretty sure the same set of students are back doing it this year. Their driver coach from last year is also attending Georgia Tech, so she may also be back coaching.
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Competition was great today.
Personally we got off to a rocky start (First few matches our shooter decided to jam, every time), but now that it got fixed we've been steadily improving. There were a few field issues, resulting in 2 replays. Tomorrow should be fun. |
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1648, 1319, and 2415 were very impressive today. I wish the webcast quality was a little better, but that is my only complaint for Peachtree. Volunteers were amazing today with field reset and schedule management from what I observed( nothing like Lone Star Friday morning). I can't wait for elims tomorrow!
It's a shame that I couldn't make the trip and cheer for my favorite green team from the stands(but I'm with you in spirit :D ) Go 6-2-4! |
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I was very impressed by teams 4452, 4749, and 4509. All three are rookie teams and have consistent robots that are performing very well. These teams have bright futures and hopefully can become powerhouses.
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Anyone know what happened to the stream? It's not working this morning :/
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I don't know how you found that Andy, but thank you so very much!
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Argh. Wish I'd checked this thread earlier. Now I won't have time to watch any 624 matches before I have to catch my flight back to the States.
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1648 reporting in after the event.
For a historically weak event, some of those elimination scores were off the charts. And talk about upsets. I believe it was the 7th seed facing off against the 5th seed. While it was unfortunate to see the greats fall (624, 2415, 1261), those finals were awesome. Now for our thank yous: - 281: You guys are an awesome defensive machine. Unfortunately we couldn't overcome our inconsistencies and power past semis, but let's not dwell on what could have been. - 2415: Not much of a thank you, but I'm excited for your next event. Someone keep an eye on these guys. Here's to hoping that one year, you guys will have a fully functioning machine at P'tree. - 624: You guys gave everyone at P'tree a good run for our money. Hopefully this won't deter you guys from paying us a visit in the future. - 4509: It's an embodiment of the old 1771, and I can say that they seriously haven't lost a step. - 4468: Taking home three awards in your rookie berth? Not fair at all. These guys are super stellar and I can see them taking home a chairmans in just a few years. Also, you guys were excellent neighbors. - 1261: Talk about killing the gremlins. You guys were legit top 2-3 robots by the end of quals and it was truly unfortunate that you guys didn't take it all the way. Pros of the event: - It seemed much smoother than last year. - Full practice field (AMAZING). - Awesome referees. Cons of the event: - Seating - Seating - Seating Oh, and did I mention seating? In all honesty, when I can't reach the top of the stands because people are sitting in the stairs, that's a problem. The venue is excellent, but I'd consider a change simply to rectify this situation. For now, - Sunny G. |
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Great event. Despite finishing a bit short of what we intended, the team had a lot of fun and learned a lot. Congratulations to the winning alliance (4026, 4080, 3489). This alliance was clearly the most dominant. Consistent autonomous, full court shots, and consistent teleop scores allowed this alliance to power themselves to the winner's circle.
@281: Thank you for picking us. I know at first we were hesitant, but our alliance did extremely well and it was amazing to work with a defensive robot as strong as yours. Your team also worked very well in all of the strategies we came up with as an alliance. @3581: Consistency was your nickname. Your team guaranteed a 4 point autonomous and 20 point climb every single match of eliminations. 281's scouts did a good job in finding you guys. Some special shout-outs: @624: Your robot was amazing and very inspiring. Talking with your students and mentors was also an enlightening experience. Your team has to have been one of the nicest I've met so far. The mentors and students were very nice to talk to and very enthusiastic. @4509: I was pulling for you guys to win the finals. Your robot was very impressive, especially for a rookie team. You guys are definitely going to be a great veteran team next year. @4452: A very good rookie team. We saw your performance at Palmetto in week 1 and knew you guys would improve by the time Peachtree came around. Very impressive run by such a solid rookie team. I'm excited to see this team turn into a strong veteran team. Thank you to all of the volunteers for making the event as smooth as possible. We'll see you next year. |
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What an amazing performance from 4026, 4080 and 3489. They were clearly a dominant offensive power! We had a blast playing at Peachtree this year.
Team 1683 is proud to have stood with our alliance mates 4509 and 832. Surely we "showed up" at the competition this year and answered the original question from this thread. Too many Amazing teams along the way to begin mentioning but; great fun to watch. Can't wait to see you at Peachtree again next year! Good luck for the rest of the Ultimate Ascent season! |
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An update for those who visit this thread later. We were able to snag pictures of most machines.
281 343 624 832 1002 1127 1261 1311 1319 1379 1414 1466 1648 1683 1746 1795 1877 2415 2918 2973 2974 3091 3139 3224 3265 3318 3329 3344 3489 3573 3581 3600 3635 3651 3694 3815 4026 4080 4112 4148 4149 4163 4188 4189 4193 4235 4452 4459 4468 4509 4510 4516 4566 4621 4701 4730 4749 - Sunny G. |
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Quite alot of errors in your dropbox.
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Clear congrats to all of the teams at Peachtree, but especially to the great and wonderful Jan for running a great field, listening to all and making Solomon-like decisions.
I think another specific shout-out goes to Jeremy Roberts, as I am so happy for a guy who poured his heart into Peachtree and GAFIRST for so long, to walk away with the Championship. Proud of my rookie kids on 4509, and here's something to intimidate folks: they're mostly 10th graders. |
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Another fabulous event by GA FIRST! Big kudos to Connie and all the volunteers that make the peachtree regional consistently one of the best. I am always inspired by what the kids do, and how they grow and learn, and that takes an enormous effort by a lot of people who never get enough recognition.
Congratulations to the winning alliance: 4026 3489 4080 It was an honor to play in the finals against you guys. I honestly didn't expect to see an effective full court shooter, but you guys had a great alliance. Thanks to 1683 and 832, you guys were great! Did anybody get any videos of elimination matches? If so, could you post them? Thanks! |
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A big Thank You to all involved at Peachtree this week!
Our team's first time at Peachtree, and we had a great time. The facility was very good (more seats, please), and load-in on Wednesday night went smoothly. 4026 - Thanks for making us your first pick. There was quite a bit of consolodation among the top seeds, but your scouting allowed you to assemble what one judge I talked to at lunchtime called a "well-rounded alliance". I have to admit I was a little skeptical that a 7 seed would go all the way, but we pulled it off. 4080 - You guys had an awesome full court shooter that really had the crowd going when you were raining two point goals enroute to a Peachtree high of 151 points for our alliance. 624 - An amazing autonomous mode, just mind-blowing. Your shooter, both fast and accurate made you the clearly dominant team. It surprised us all when the gremlins (apparently) bit you, and knocked you off your game. And, to our students, who persevered through a trying time at Palmetto, and worked dilligently to debug and improve our robot right through the eliminations matches. A big win for our 3rd year team, and the best 18th birthday present my son (and drive coach) could ever hope for :D Good Luck to All, and see you in St. Louis! |
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First: THANK YOU alliance partners. @1648 you guys were amazing at both Palmetto and Peachtree. We had to have a good shooter if we were going to compete in eliminations, and you guys really were our first choice. You didn't have to say yes; but we were really glad you did. @3581 you guys reminded me our us. What you did on the field wasn't glamorous; but you did it consistently and you deserved to be playing in the eliminations. We turned off our autonomous because we recognized that yours was more consistent. We gave ourselves a chance to win (especially in that second semi-final) and that's really the best we can do. We can at least say we lost (close) to the winning alliance (congrats 3489 4026 4080). Thanks again. Second: Props to all the folks at Peachtree (organizers, volunteers, judges, refs, ....). It had been a couple of years since we could come to Peachtree because of conflicts with Palmetto; but I'm glad we could make it this year. It was an great event. Finally, a bit of a public shout-out to our kids. You guys should be proud of yourselves this year. OK things didn't work out the way we wanted on the robot; but the work you put into staying positive, making the most of what we could do, helping other teams (stay at it @4730), and having fun made it a successful season. It isn't glamorous -- it's HARD FUN and that's the true spirit of FIRST. |
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In the last game of the finals match do you know what went wrong with 832's robot? Also a thanks to 1002 for picking us.
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1261 reporting in.
I just want to thank everyone at the regional for making my last Peachtree as a student memorable. The competition was fierce as always, and the attitude put forth by everyone was an incredible example of what FIRST truly embodies. A humbling experience to say the least. Now for some shoutouts. 2415- I couldn't have asked for a better alliance partner. You guys are truly a top tier team and it was a shame we couldn't go farther into elims with you. You always manage to build amazing machines and perform just as well. Don't worry about the little things, you worked out your kinks and I'll be watching you in week 5! 1414- You guys were another good team to work with. Your students impressed me with their attitudes and mentality. The willingness of you all to completely scrap your entire shooter and turn defense for us was a very kind gesture, not something many teams would have done. Thanks for putting up a great fight with us. 624- Another amazing team at PTR. Your machine was something to behold and I hope you will be returning to Peachtree in the future to keep us on our toes! Congratulations on a great robot and and even better showing. 4452- Absolutely fantastic for a rookie teams. Between your consistency, excellence, and attitude, I can see you all going big places in the coming years. 1648- Yet another robot that impressed me. The simplicity and elegance of your design paired with the consistency and effectiveness of your robot was great. From talking with your students, I can tell you all have a winning attitude and I expect you all to do even better next year. It was an honor to play with you at Palmetto and Peachtree. 4509- Like Sunny said, an ebodiment of what 1771 was. Your shooter was amazing once it got working and was simple and effective. I wish you all the best as well. 4566- Our rookie team. Working with you guys this season was a blast and you all have a great team dynamic. Don't be strangers next year and get in touch with me or the team if you need anything! To all the other teams at the regional who impacted myself and my team, thank you for making this THE best regional to attend in FIRST. Thanks again and I hope to see you all in the future. |
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My understanding is 832 had a mechanical that cause them to lose power.
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Thank you, everyone, for competiting the 2013 Peachtree Regional. Second year of refereeing, and there was no better place to do it than right at home; two days of the most fierce competition I've seen in a while. You made it hard for me to leave, honestly. Hopefully the trend continues, and Peachtree WILL become the regional to be at within the FIRST Robotics Competition.
Second, to Jan & the rest of the referee team. Being under one of the best head referees in FRC & with one of the strictest referee teams gives you a bit of motivation to be the best you can be on the field. Third, to GeorgiaFIRST. Not only for giving the opportunity to ref, to speak in the Closing Ceremonies, but to allow me to be part of GeorgiaFIRST as a member. Amazing happened there every time we stepped into the Gwinnett Center. Fourth, the field crew & Matt, our FTA. Turnaround time was fantastic, setup and breakdown were speedy; that was the best we've ever had. Congrats to 2974 for Chairman's & their first DL finalist, Alyx (bringing the titles back to Marietta)! Also to Kristin Weiss (our second DL Finalist), 2415 (EI), 4080/3489/4026 (regional winners), and Ray Spurlin (VOY & field supervisor)! |
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And now for some shout outs of my own: 4730: Working with you guys was a pleasure. Heading out of this competition i can tell that you have learned a lot and I believe you will become an amazing team. I hope you guys keep it up, and some day you will be helping a rookie team of your own. 1648: You guys had an amazing robot that we've been admiring since Palmetto. We really did not expect you to say yes to us during alliance selections, but we were glad you did. We came so close to making it to the finals!!! 3489: You were another one of our favorite robots, plus we enjoyed competing with a team as spirited and enthusiastic as you. After we were knocked out of eliminations, we were rooting for your alliance. Its great to have another South Carolina team going to championships. We wish you the best in St. Louis! 4452: Congratulations on the rookie all-star award. I know you guys have been through a lot, but despite all your setbacks you still succeeded. People always love to talk about the teams that can make the most points, or do everything on the field, but it is teams like you that truly inspire me. Good luck in St. Louis! |
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Isn't 281's FTC program competing next weekend at the FTC Championship?
Though I can't officially represent 4452 since I was only their mentor for the weekend. I can say without a doubt that it was a pleasure to play with both 624 and 4071. Bad luck just seemed to strike either ourselves or 624 at the wrong times. I know the team will be gearing up for Championship and look out for them, when they are at 100% they compete just as well as team 11 does. |
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Any particular reason why 832 had to duct tape a piston open?
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Several things I noticed about 832...
The front end of their shooter stuck out over the frame perimeter even after they taped the cylinder up. The wall they attached to the shooter had to stay <=60" before the match started was the other problem. They taped the cylinder because they didn't have time to reprogram it to start out the match with the cylinder fully extended...I think. |
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This is kind of a new concept this year, and there's been a lot of confusion. I myself didn't realize it until I saw the discussion about it, and checked the rules myself. So just an FYI to everyone, it is not illegal to start taller than 60". It sounds like 832 had some other infractions, which is very unfortunate. |
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They added a panel at ~60" high to play defense. It was finished as the timer went off. They had to place the bot on the field immediately. Since there was no time remaining, they were not allowed to pre-charge their pneumatic system. Without air pressure, their shooter could not be elevated. Since it was not elevated, it stuck out beyond the frame perimeter. |
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Quick question to all teams but especially the top eight teams/alliance captains. Would you have ever picked 1466 in th 3rd round? (Doesn't apply to 1002 since they actually did.) shoutout to 1002 for picking us, and I hope we can collaborate more in the future as well. Also the robolions had a fantastic mascot and robot which helped us get in the top 25
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Thanks Kyle for commenting on what happen to 832 in the final match.
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This being my first Peachtree Regional and my first ever competition as drive coach, it was a great one. 1746 did not expect to have the only 30 point climber at the event, although we only accomplished the feat 3 times throughout the weekend. We were excited to perform at the level we did especially with a group of students fresh to FRC. Being 6th seed alliance captains and taking home the Xerox Creativity award were both major victories.
To 343 and 1311, our alliance partners for eliminations, thanks for your efforts. Consistency is key to success in FRC and was something we lacked as an alliance. I was excited by our potential, but unfortunately we didn't get to see it happen on the field. Thanks for joining our alliance and we look forward to playing with you in the future! The elimination matches at Peachtree were phenomenal. While some robots had the ability to win qualifications matches by themselves, it took a full alliance to succeed in eliminations. The high scores and intense matches were thrilling to watch. To 3489, a huge thank you for printing out qualification match schedules for every team. It was great to have and much appreciated. We intend to attend GRITS. We hope to see you there. |
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On another note, I'd like to thank everyone for a wonderful event. Thank you to all of the volunteers who helped make it happen! Also thanks to all the other teams at the event. Everyone was very accommodating when we needed help, and very friendly in general. All the teams also helped make sure the event was exciting. The competition was incredibly intense throughout. The eliminations capped it all off well with some very intense and high scoring matches, as well as some strong defensive struggles. On behalf of 4080, I'd like to thank everyone for a wonderful event, we can't wait to come back next year. |
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In my opinion, the re-inspection process (if completed) should have found the modifications made to be in violation of R08, parts a) and/or c), which make it illegal to interfere with an opponents visibility from the driver station and/or a robot's vision system. My only real complaint from Peachtree was that the inspection process at Peachtree seemed quite uneven (ours took 43 minutes), but that's for another day, or another thread. For now, we relish in our win! A big thanks to you (4080) and 4026, and see you in St. Louis.:D |
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I will try to add some clarification to what happened to our bot during finals at Peachtree. Sorry for the late reply; I took Sunday off:)
In the finals 2nd round we suffered a fairly catastrophic structural failure. the bottom plate that held the battery and C-Rio fell out of the bottom of the robot because the support brackets failed on one side (they were made out of plastic from a 3D printer...won't do that again). Given 20-30 minutes and the resources of the pit we could have fixed it, but with just a few minutes between matches the best we could do was to install some bolts to support the plate without really attaching to it. It only had to last 1 match; it didn't. We didn't do any post mortem to determine the cause of the robot dying before it was wrapped, however, I suspect an electrical fault. We neglected to charge the pneumatic system, and has been stated previously this caused the shooter to be in the lowered position, and out of compliance with the starting configuration. Duct tape was used in an attempt to keep the shooter locked up high, but in waiting for the match to start it must have slowly given way. Then there was the last minute addition of a Frisbee deflector. Our weight was 91 pounds and I believe the defector was less that 60" high. But it was not done though the proper procedure with robot inspections and that is not right. We would have been better served to get the pneumatics charged. We are very grateful for the alliance selection pick by our partners 1683 Techno Titans and 4509 Mechanical Bulls. We did our best to perform our defensive role within the alliance and literally "left it on the field." We had a wonderful competition, learned many things, and made some new friends. See you guys in South Florida:D |
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Does anyone know where we can find Peachtree videos? The Blue Alliance doesn't have any, not even any of the elimination matches.
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With regards to others that didn't meet this rule (you're right, but not our robot, BTW) that is on the LRI to see that the rules are consistently enforced. |
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As for the possibility of 832's robot blocking visibility, this was very minor. The main problem with where they were situated was that it made our feeder station claustrophobic and we never took the time to push them out of the way. I think that the reason they didn't use a clear material(I definitely could be wrong) was because they were creating the blocker with what they had during the *short* duration of a timeout, so they used what they could. I agree that a clearer material may be ideal to avoid any issue with the rule you mentioned though, given more time that's what I hope they would use. The only robot that my drivers experienced large issues with during the competition when it came to visibility was a high level climber; and that's not their fault at all, just to be expected. |
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From what I saw in the match before, 832 did have major issues with their battery and creo plate, which sagged a foot when they were carrying it off the field, remaining on the robot. As seen in 832's coach's post above and from what I saw on the field, it did not seem that their robot was disabled but rather that they lost connection to their battery and/or creo and/or pdb all from the massive hits from resulting from both 3489 and 4080 simultaneously pushing 832 5 feet and slamming them into the alliance wall. After this, they never moved again and it seemed that they had lost power. From the timing of the robot stopping and the damage inflicted in the match before, that is the conclusion the rest of my team and I drew. Just my opinion on what happened :D
In other news, I had a great time at the regional and hope to be there again next year and see many of the same teams there! Thanks to everyone for making the regional amazing! |
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832 was not disabled by the field. They lost power during the match.
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Being tall and opaque doesn't count as "interfering with a vision system". If it did, many, many robots would be illegal. That line is referring to building features into your robot with the intention of disrupting vision algorithms (i.e. coating your robot in retro-reflective tape).
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The issues with 832 were multiple. It was the mentors from 4059 doing the addition of the blocker and not the kids from 832 from what several of us saw watching in the stands. It was in my opinion poor judgment of an experienced mentor to place 832 is such a position and I do not hold 832 accountable for the mentors actions.
Here is a list of the infractions as some of us saw: There are several rules that were broken. R04 In the STARTING CONFIGURATION, no part of the ROBOT may extend outside the vertical projection of the FRAME PERIMETER, with the exception of minor protrusions such as bolt heads, fastener ends, rivets, etc. **as the match was being counted down, 1-2-3, the head inspector saw the robot fall into a position outside of its perimeter G07 Teams may not cause significant or repeated delays to the start of a match. Noted D. Installing bumpers, or any robot maintenance or assembly, once on the field ** this was clearly violated as they let the team come back on the field in an attempt to get it into a legal starting configuration and/or delay G05 Confined to Starting Configuration Where the refs went really wrong, is they apparently were not aware of the 'Tournament Rules' T07 Any ROBOT construction technique or element that is not in compliance with the ROBOT Rules must be rectified before a ROBOT will be allowed to compete or continue competing. ROBOTS must fully pass Inspection before they will be allowed to compete in Qualification or Elimination MATCHES. T08 At the time of Inspection, the ROBOT must be presented with all MECHANISMS (including all COMPONENTS of each MECHANISM), configurations, and decorations that will be used on the ROBOT during the entire competition event. It is acceptable, however, for a ROBOT to play MATCHES with a subset of the MECHANISMS that were present during Inspection. Only MECHANISMS that were present during the Inspection may be added, removed or reconfigured between MATCHES. If MECHANISMS are changed between MATCHES, the reconfigured ROBOT must still meet all Inspection criteria. T10 If a ROBOT is modified after it has passed Inspection, other than modifications described in T8, that ROBOT must be re-Inspected. T07, T08, T10 were violated. The mentors made a major modification to that other robot that was not part of the T08 inspection. It was not reinspected after the modification. It was allowed on the field and continued modification. Re-inspection is going back to the inspection area, being weighed, check perimeter, check 54" rule Feedback is welcomed. FIRST needs to install a rule that mentors are not allowed to be a part of the drive team. The drive team needs to be made up of students that are part of the team. it is bad enough to see some mentors doing all the build work, at least let the kids drive and coach themselves. |
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While it may have seemed that way from the stands, the mentors from 4509 were NOT the only ones doing the additions. There were multiple students (from both 4509 and 832) working together to modify 832's robot. And, I might be wrong here, but it seems as if you feel that 4509 bullied or otherwise forced 832 to make the modification. This is not true at all. 832 was enthusiastic to make the change and were extremely helpful, in both finding materials, tools, and labor. (As were the students from 1683) As for delaying the game: The opposing alliance had not placed a single robot on the field yet. All of us were prepared to go on. As for inspection: The robot inspectors WERE PRESENT DURING THE ADDITION. We were using a tape measure, and the inspectors asked about the starting configuration, and the students from 832 demonstrated the ability to get everything inside the starting configuration. As was previously stated, the pneumatics slowly caused the robot to possibly exit that configuration (Note: This was NOT the reason they were disabled. They lost power to their radio, they were not disabled by the field crew or referees). As for no mentors allowed to be on the drive team: That's a different conversation for a different time. I'm sure you can find multiple different threads on this subject if you search on Chief Delphi. And of course, congratulations to 3489, 4026, and 4080 for the victory. Those were some intense final matches, we were proud to have put up a good fight, and lost, to such a great alliance. |
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As the LRI for the event, perhaps I can offer some additional information and input.
The issues with 832 were multiple. It was the mentors from 4059 doing the addition of the blocker and not the kids from 832 from what several of us saw watching in the stands. It was in my opinion poor judgment of an experienced mentor to place 832 is such a position and I do not hold 832 accountable for the mentors actions. While I agree that it was other than members of 832 who made the modifications, it was 832's robot - and as such, they are responsible for whatever is done in their behalf. If they are not in agreement with what is being done, they shouldn't allow it. Here is a list of the infractions as some of us saw: There are several rules that were broken. R04 In the STARTING CONFIGURATION, no part of the ROBOT may extend outside the vertical projection of the FRAME PERIMETER, with the exception of minor protrusions such as bolt heads, fastener ends, rivets, etc. And this is the main issue here - when initially inspected, the robot demonstrated the potential to exceed the established frame perimeter - but also demonstrated a means for constraining itself to a legal configuration. The team was cautioned several times in que as the potential was again noticed by inspectors, but as the team confirmed their intent of using a pre-charged pneumatic system to constrain the system, it was allowed onto the field. **as the match was being counted down, 1-2-3, the head inspector saw the robot fall into a position outside of its perimeter When called to the field for an opinion, I informed 832 that they were outside of the frame perimeter, and as such, were not in a legal configuration. The machine was manually pushed into the elevated configuration and an attempt made to secure it with duct tape. While it was placed in a legal configuration, as noted above, it did sag to a position outside of the frame perimeter just before the match began - and the robot was allowed to operate. G07 Teams may not cause significant or repeated delays to the start of a match. Noted D. Installing bumpers, or any robot maintenance or assembly, once on the field ** this was clearly violated as they let the team come back on the field in an attempt to get it into a legal starting configuration and/or delay This is a referee call - and while I can't disagree with this opinion, it is a judgement call for the refs. I do know they were ready to pull the team from the field but did make the call to allow the match to proceed. It was a stress situation for all and it is always easy to Monday morning quarterback, they made a tough call - and I must support that call. G05 Confined to Starting Configuration Where the refs went really wrong, is they apparently were not aware of the 'Tournament Rules' T07 Any ROBOT construction technique or element that is not in compliance with the ROBOT Rules must be rectified before a ROBOT will be allowed to compete or continue competing. ROBOTS must fully pass Inspection before they will be allowed to compete in Qualification or Elimination MATCHES. T08 At the time of Inspection, the ROBOT must be presented with all MECHANISMS (including all COMPONENTS of each MECHANISM), configurations, and decorations that will be used on the ROBOT during the entire competition event. It is acceptable, however, for a ROBOT to play MATCHES with a subset of the MECHANISMS that were present during Inspection. Only MECHANISMS that were present during the Inspection may be added, removed or reconfigured between MATCHES. If MECHANISMS are changed between MATCHES, the reconfigured ROBOT must still meet all Inspection criteria. T10 If a ROBOT is modified after it has passed Inspection, other than modifications described in T8, that ROBOT must be re-Inspected. T07, T08, T10 were violated. The robot was not modified in secret - it was done in full view of all in the stands. The inspector on the field did look at the change and found it within the rules. As the modification was primarily a deflector device, within the height limits of a legal robot, and capable of being positioned inside of the frame perimeter, it was allowed. The issue was the inability of the team to actually get into that configuration. When I saw the modified robot I too agreed that it was a legal modification. Perhaps not as formally as might have been desired, the robot WAS reinspected after the modification. I will concede that T08 was not closely followed - but then, many teams make similar minor modifications to their machines during the event. I personally was consulted on multiple occasions by teams who wanted to make "modifications" to their initial configuration. These were allowed as long as the robot remained within the requirements of the rules. The mentors made a major modification to that other robot that was not part of the T08 inspection. It was not reinspected after the modification. It was allowed on the field and continued modification. As noted above, the machine WAS reinspected. Re-inspection is going back to the inspection area, being weighed, check perimeter, check 54" rule Yes, you could take that position - and if this is the official FIRST decision, I take full responsibility for allowing a less "stringent" re-inspection process. It was my opinion that the full re-inspection was not warranted and that doing so would unduly delay the match - and/or remove a contender from their opportunity to compete. If the decision was wrong, it was mine and I'll take the responsibility for it. Jeff Rees LRI Peachtree Regional Feedback is welcomed. FIRST needs to install a rule that mentors are not allowed to be a part of the drive team. The drive team needs to be made up of students that are part of the team. it is bad enough to see some mentors doing all the build work, at least let the kids drive and coach themselves.[/quote] |
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Thanks George, and others, for input. As the Teacher-Mentor of 4509 we will certainly listen to the constructive criticisms. I can guarantee that we believe in the principles of FIRST, and we all want to make the best opportunity for our kids and community, including any necessary improvements and changes. It was a fun season, and my students can't wait to meet today to get ready for next year, and that's so cool!
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As much as I hate to prolong this debate, as one of the mentors that "modified another team's robot", I feel I need to respond.
Team 4509 was the alliance captain for the fifth seed alliance. We chose 832 as our third pick because they could score in autonomous, and because they had a strong drivetrain to play defense. They performed exactly as we wanted them to throughout the elimination matches. Once 4080 started their full court scoring, and won the second finals match, we knew we needed a strategy to stop that scoring if we wanted to win. As alliance captain, our drive team suggested that they add a tall blocking feature to their robot so they could continue their defensive role. The students from 832 came up with the solution and the materials to implement that solution (a piece of 1/4-20 threaded rod, a piece of corplast, and a roll of duct tape). What most people in the stands probably couldn't see was that in that second match, 832's robot was badly damaged. The entire electrical panel was falling out the bottom of their bot (FRC competition is fierce). So while two of the students from 832 held a 150 pound robot 4 feet off the ground for five minutes, two more were seated underneath the bot working to secure the electrical panel. That didn't leave many hands to install the threaded rod and plastic. I and the other mentor that helped only acted as dumb labor. I held the threaded rod, and did turn a wrench, and the other mentor did apply duct tape, all with the help of students from 832. The idea, the materials, and the directions came from 832. There are those that believe that mentors should have no role in FRC other than to answer questions. While I don't want to flog that deceased equine in this thread, I don't feel that way. I believe that mentors should mentor. I often work with interns at work. If I only answered questions, did not make suggestions or help out at all, I would be failing as a mentor for that intern. The purpose of a mentor is share his or her experience and expertise with someone who doesn't have that experience or expertise. I want the kids to be inspired, and to do their best. If there is a way to do just a little better next match, they should strive their hardest to make that improvement. The strive for excellence is a major part of FIRST, and should not be discouraged. Having said all of that, I want to re-iterate that our team had a blast at the competition, learned a great deal, and were inspired. We do not regret any of our choices in the selection, and could not have asked for better partners or opponents. Thanks to all that participated, volunteered, and officiated. you were all awesome. |
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Team 624 misplaced a large yellow Dewalt bag with game pads, joysticks, and various other cables. We also had a laptop bag with a black dell laptop and power supplies go missing.
We think these were either left behind in the loading dock area or maybe they were mistakenly grabbed by another team. Does anybody who was at Peachtree happen to have some info on where these ended up or who we could talk to about a "lost and found" from the Gwinnett Center? Thanks for the help! |
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Hey does anyone any videos of the elimination matches or know where to find them? We were eliminated in the quarter finals but wanted to have some videos to show our school. Thanks!!
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