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Brian Selle 16-11-2012 10:03

Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Anyone have a source for 1" x 2" x 1/16" 6061 tubing? I found a couple places with 6063... is 6061 available?

Ty Tremblay 16-11-2012 10:38

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
I've recently become a big fan of onlinemetals.com.

Edit: Silly me. I should have checked if they had it first. They don't.

sanddrag 16-11-2012 11:08

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Coast Aluminum in California

JamesCH95 16-11-2012 11:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by btslaser (Post 1194334)
Anyone have a source for 1" x 2" x 1/16" 6061 tubing? I found a couple places with 6063... is 6061 available?

Erm... McMaster?

PN: 89965K68

Trick: searching under the "pipes for flow" products.

Nate Laverdure 16-11-2012 11:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 (Post 1194339)
McMaster PN: 89965K68

Looks like he wanted rectangular tubing, not round.

Cory 16-11-2012 11:23

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It should be very common at almost any good local metal supplier. Metal Supermarkets carried it as of a few years ago, but their prices are not very good. I know there are branches in Texas. Not sure where.

JamesCH95 16-11-2012 11:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure (Post 1194340)
Looks like he wanted rectangular tubing, not round.

:eek:

Brandon Holley 16-11-2012 11:37

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
We buy ours in large quantities from Admiral Metals in Woburn, MA.

-Brando

JesseK 16-11-2012 12:01

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Neither BMG or Potomac Steel here in Northern Virginia have the 1/16" wall. They have reasonable prices on the 1/8" wall though. Thin wall is elusive indeed...

However, both suppliers have 1.5" Square Tubing at 1/16" wall, which is something we may consider. (We're doing WCD for the first time this year).

Edit ... dang, I just noticed that BMG swapped to 6063 tubing, though I'm sure it used to be 6061. For a drive train frame, what are the implications of 6063 vs. 6061?

Gary Dillard 16-11-2012 14:04

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ASTM B308 gives UTS/YS for 6061-T6 of 38/35 ksi, AMS4156 for 6063-T6 gives UTS/YS of 30/25 ksi, so it does have 30% lower strength. If you're welding it you will lose the temper in the heat affected zone either way and can only count on about 9 ksi there. It pretty much depends on how much margin you have in the design; if this is your entire section and it's 1/16 thick it doesn't sound like there's much but if this is part of a box frame then you may be OK. Chemical compositions are pretty similar so they'll form and machine about the same.

Brian Selle 16-11-2012 15:09

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Update - 6061 Rectagular 1x2x0.062

Coast Aluminum - in stock ~$3.00/ft (they have a location in Arizona too)
Admiral Metals - in stock (waiting to hear back on price)
OnlineMetals - not stocked
Metal SuperMarkets - not stocked (they are in Dallas but are way $$)
McMaster - not stocked (1/8" wall is 3x the price of local dealer)

Thanks for info!

Cory 16-11-2012 21:03

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by btslaser (Post 1194381)
Update - 6061 Rectagular 1x2x0.062

Coast Aluminum - in stock ~$3.00/ft (they have a location in Arizona too)
Admiral Metals - in stock (waiting to hear back on price)
OnlineMetals - not stocked
Metal SuperMarkets - not stocked (they are in Dallas but are way $$)
McMaster - not stocked (1/8" wall is 3x the price of local dealer)

Thanks for info!

The cost is highly dependent on the weight of the order at most places. The more you buy the cheaper it gets. You should be able to get around $2 per pound if you place a pretty good sized order.

Phyrxes 16-11-2012 21:08

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Just checked at www.speedymetals.com and they don't stock it in 6061, theirs is 6063.

sgreco 16-11-2012 22:13

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2079 uses Pierce Aluminum. We have purchased exactly what you are looking for in the past.

sanddrag 16-11-2012 23:58

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1194371)
Chemical compositions are pretty similar so they'll form and machine about the same.

Not true. In my opinion, 6063 machines terribly. It is somewhat "gummy". The chips like to melt to cutting tools and it's sometimes tough to get a nice surface finish. I try to avoid it when I can, but certain extrusions are not available in 6061.

DampRobot 17-11-2012 00:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1194453)
Not true. In my opinion, 6063 machines terribly. It is somewhat "gummy". The chips like to melt to cutting tools and it's sometimes tough to get a nice surface finish. I try to avoid it when I can, but certain extrusions are not available in 6061.

Do you mean at certain speeds, you can melt end mills milling 6063? Would this be with cooling? I ask because one of those "certain extrusions" is what we're planning to use in our drive train wheel trucks. We would be pressing in bearings too.

R.C. 17-11-2012 01:43

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1194453)
Not true. In my opinion, 6063 machines terribly. It is somewhat "gummy". The chips like to melt to cutting tools and it's sometimes tough to get a nice surface finish. I try to avoid it when I can, but certain extrusions are not available in 6061.

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Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1194460)
Do you mean at certain speeds, you can melt end mills milling 6063? Would this be with cooling? I ask because one of those "certain extrusions" is what we're planning to use in our drive train wheel trucks. We would be pressing in bearings too.

David is correct.

DampRobot (real name/team # would help), even with coolant and such. 6063 is gummy stuff. Its also weaker and will bend easier. You can easily crush it in a vise (while true with 6061, its a bit harder). I'd steer clear away from it.

What are you looking at that you can't get in 6061?

-RC

JamesCH95 17-11-2012 06:53

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1194453)
Not true. In my opinion, 6063 machines terribly. It is somewhat "gummy". The chips like to melt to cutting tools and it's sometimes tough to get a nice surface finish. I try to avoid it when I can, but certain extrusions are not available in 6061.

I believe this is because 6063 is rarely available with a strong temper/heat treatment. I have had the displeasure of post-weld machining 6061 with even worse results because it has nearly been annealed. 3003 and 1100 are also garbage to machine for the same reason I think.

Extra strong alloys, like 2024 and especially 7075, machine like butter in my experience.

Greg McKaskle 17-11-2012 07:11

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Have you tried Westbrook Metals? Online they are Metals4U.com. I've had good luck with the Austin store, but wasn't purchasing aluminum.

Greg McKaskle

sanddrag 17-11-2012 09:52

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DampRobot (Post 1194460)
Do you mean at certain speeds, you can melt end mills milling 6063? Would this be with cooling?

Not melting the endmill itself, but melting the chips and fusing them to the endmill. You can machine 6063, but 6061 makes a much better chip and comes out much nicer.

Gary Dillard 19-11-2012 16:07

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Both 6061-T6 and 6063-T6 are rated "C" for machinability by the Aluminum Association; it's likely a pretty broad range on the scale. I don't have any personal experience machining 6063-T6 so I'd defer to those who do.

Brian Selle 22-11-2012 22:38

Re: Thin wall 6061 aluminum tubing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg McKaskle (Post 1194473)
Have you tried Westbrook Metals? Online they are Metals4U.com. I've had good luck with the Austin store, but wasn't purchasing aluminum.

Greg McKaskle


I just found out last week that they have a Dallas store as well... I called them and while they don't have it in stock they are able to get it for me for a great price. They also quoted me a great price on some 7075. Finding a good local source is so nice...


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