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Phyrxes 07-12-2012 16:54
First Choice 2013
 
If you log into the sample account at AndyMark's website you can see the costs associated with items in preparation for Monday. I know I saw the total number of points teams were given last year posted this fall but have lost track of the number, anybody have it handy?

Happy wishlist building this weekend everyone.

Mk.32 07-12-2012 17:01
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I think was a 100 last year, but unsure what it is this year.

100 looks reasonable for this year again.

midway78224 07-12-2012 17:21
Re: First Choice 2013
 
It was 100 credits. Depending on your list that may or may not be enough for what some teams what to get. Speaking for my team only it wouldn't be enough but if its only 100 credits we would have to redo our list that day. If i remember correct too some items last yr were only like 1 or 2 credits as this year it looks like the lowest is 4 or 5 credits. That could mean we may be getting more credits or just have to get only what is really needed.

dcarr 07-12-2012 17:26
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I sure wish they'd tell us the number of credits in advance, it would make things significantly easier.

Gregor 07-12-2012 17:31
Re: First Choice 2013
 
11 Talons for everyone!

dcarr 07-12-2012 17:41
Re: First Choice 2013
 
How many points are you all planning on saving for items that will be added post-kickoff?

JohnChristensen 07-12-2012 17:43
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Last year were there any parts added post-kickoff that could not be purchased elsewhere? I can't remember.

dcarr 07-12-2012 17:45
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnChristensen (Post 1199614)
Last year were there any parts added post-kickoff that could not be purchased elsewhere? I can't remember.
I remember purchasing a bunch of basketballs separately since there was a limit of 2 anyway (I believe I'm remembering that correctly).

I guess a related question is: last year were there any parts added post-kickoff that were a way better deal on FIRST Choice.

Gregor 07-12-2012 17:47
Re: First Choice 2013
 
FIRST Choice wasn't released until kickoff in previous years.

dcarr 07-12-2012 17:49
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1199616)
FIRST Choice wasn't released until kickoff in previous years.
Wow my memory is foggy. In that case, what are people thinking in terms of how many credits to spend now vs. save? (would help if we knew how many we got :P)

JohnChristensen 07-12-2012 17:54
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1199617)
Wow my memory is foggy. In that case, what are people thinking in terms of how many credits to spend now vs. save? (would help if we knew how many we got :P)
It appears mine is just as bad. I think a 67/33 split might be good for a starting point.

dcarr 07-12-2012 18:22
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Also: as far as everyone knows, is a PO (i.e. from Boeing Grant) in STIMS considered "paid" when it comes to receiving access to the FIRST Choice password?

F22Rapture 07-12-2012 18:53
Re: First Choice 2013
 
GTX 560s for 5 credits? WHAT :ahh:

OK then... :D

CalTran 07-12-2012 19:11
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Hmm...8 slot cRio for 9 credits...we might have to jump on this offer (And find some of our extra buses too)

DampRobot 07-12-2012 19:16
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Could someone do me a favor and post a screen shot of the pages with the credit numbers? I don't have the STIMS logon handy.

EDIT: Didn't see the AndyMark test account.

gyroscopeRaptor 07-12-2012 19:24
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I'm predicting Talons will be the first items gone, followed by the encoders (only 30ish), the Classmate, sidecar, batteries, and all sensors under 100 items.

Also interesting - only one Cypress board available! Who will be first to get it?

Mark McLeod 07-12-2012 20:42
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I laughed when I saw this one:

DB37 Flat Ribbon Cable Assembly (Assembled backwards!) (fc13-023)

jason701802 07-12-2012 21:13
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Hmm... 2ft of 6AWG wire is valued the same as a Talon and a cRIO

sanddrag 07-12-2012 21:29
Re: First Choice 2013
 
If these "costs" are accurate and assuming we get 100 credits again, this may be the best FIRST season ever!

F22Rapture 07-12-2012 22:04
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jason701802 (Post 1199720)
Hmm... 2ft of 6AWG wire is valued the same as a Talon and a cRIO
Yes, most of the cheaper items are terrible values :/

Ethernet port saver = 6 credits = $10 = $1.60/credit

Talon = 9 credits = $60 = $6.67/credit

Scale that up to the cRIO and you get where this is going :)

All-in-all I can't recommend buying smaller parts with credits until after the game has been revealed.

DonRotolo 07-12-2012 22:35
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag (Post 1199726)
If these "costs" are accurate and assuming we get 100 credits again, this may be the best FIRST season ever!
It is entirely possible that the "costs" of the items are also just 'random' numbers, and the real values will not be posted until Go-Live. So a port saver might be 2 credits and a cRio chassis 25. I do not know, I am just speculating.

dcarr 07-12-2012 22:36
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1199747)
It is entirely possible that the "costs" of the items are also just 'random' numbers, and the real values will not be posted until Go-Live. So a port saver might be 2 credits and a cRio chassis 25. I do not know, I am just speculating.
Well, that would certainly throw a wrench in everyone's list building. We'll find out soon enough.

McGurky 07-12-2012 22:53
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonRotolo (Post 1199747)
It is entirely possible that the "costs" of the items are also just 'random' numbers, and the real values will not be posted until Go-Live. So a port saver might be 2 credits and a cRio chassis 25. I do not know, I am just speculating.
If this is the case, what would be the purpose of even having numbers there?

dcarr 07-12-2012 23:20
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by McGurky (Post 1199753)
If this is the case, what would be the purpose of even having numbers there?
Well, the game hint this year is Rick Roll...

McGurky 08-12-2012 00:07
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1199765)
Well, the game hint this year is Rick Roll...
Point taken.

I do recall the point values for many of those items being similar last year, which leads me to believe that they are the actual point values.

I however cannot answer why 2, one dollar rolls of Teflon tape is worth the same as 1 $500 C-Rio...

dcarr 08-12-2012 00:14
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by McGurky (Post 1199787)
I however cannot answer why 2, one dollar rolls of Teflon tape is worth the same as 1 $500 C-Rio...
Shhh keep it on the down-low, we don't want them realizing and raising the price :)

F22Rapture 08-12-2012 00:35
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by McGurky (Post 1199787)
Point taken.

I do recall the point values for many of those items being similar last year, which leads me to believe that they are the actual point values.

I however cannot answer why 2, one dollar rolls of Teflon tape is worth the same as 1 $500 C-Rio...
Teflon tape doesn't go out of date :)

Same reason $180 Nvidia graphics cards are selling for 5 points. Companies are dumping their old inventories. NI is already subsidizing the hardware so I doubt they make much (if any) profit off of the cRIOs anyway, few teams are likely to buy the 8-slot when the new model has so many benefits while costing 40% less, and they'd much rather not have to deal with the cost of storing unmovable units.

dcarr 08-12-2012 00:39
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by F22Rapture (Post 1199797)
Same reason $180 Nvidia graphics cards are selling for 5 points. Companies are dumping their old inventories. NI is already subsidizing the hardware so I doubt they make much (if any) profit off of the cRIOs anyway, few teams are likely to buy the 8-slot when the new model has so many benefits while costing 40% less, and they'd much rather not have to deal with the cost of storing unmovable units.
As soon as I saw it was the 8-slot cRIO, I figured that was the case. Do they even sell the 8-slot anymore? My impression was that only the 4-slot is actually for sale.

ken.3038 08-12-2012 19:47
Re: First Choice 2013
 
The team password is that available now or wait till Dec. 10?

Peyton Yeung 08-12-2012 19:59
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ken.3038 (Post 1199936)
The team password is that available now or wait till Dec. 10?
That will be released on the 10th

z_beeblebrox 08-12-2012 20:30
Re: First Choice 2013
 
How does one sign into the sample account?

dcarr 08-12-2012 20:32
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by z_beeblebrox (Post 1199963)
How does one sign into the sample account?
Use Team 5000 and the listed password at the top of the page.

slijin 09-12-2012 22:23
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Got back confirmation from Andy Baker himself!

Quote:
Samuel,

Thank you for the note.

Yes, each team will get 100 points tomorrow.
Yep, those are the prices, and they won't change in value.

Have a great week!

Sincerely,
Andy Baker
in response to the following questions:

Quote:
Will the quantity of FIRSTChoice credits that each team will be allocated be 100 when the system is opened on the 10th of December?
Will the "pricing" (number of credits required to purchase) of every FIRSTChoice item with a listed "price" stay the same for all such items, or should we expect changes in pricing in the near future?

dcarr 09-12-2012 22:47
Quote:
Originally Posted by slijin (Post 1200252)
Got back confirmation from Andy Baker himself!



in response to the following questions:
Wow! I emailed on Friday and the gentleman who responded refused to answer, saying it would be unfair to other teams.

Teamcodeorange 09-12-2012 22:49
Re: First Choice 2013
 
So, does ordering start at 12:00AM tonight?

dcarr 09-12-2012 22:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teamcodeorange (Post 1200273)
So, does ordering start at 12:00AM tonight?
My understanding was 12 noon tomorrow as stated on the page.

Teamcodeorange 09-12-2012 22:53
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1200275)
My understanding was 12 noon tomorrow as stated on the page.
I missed that, thanks.

slijin 10-12-2012 00:38
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1200275)
My understanding was 12 noon tomorrow as stated on the page.
As a clarification for anyone who uses CD for all their information instead of FIRST: that's 12PM noon, EST.

Gary Dillard 10-12-2012 09:17
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Is this new today? I don't remember seeing it before.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FIRST CHOICE Login information on AndyMark Website
Your Team Starts with 100 FIRST Choice Credits for 2013 and will receive 100 MORE Credits at Kickoff

Phyrxes 10-12-2012 09:41
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I believe that is a new official statement as of this morning, everybody have their shopping list ready?

bhsrobotics1671 10-12-2012 10:11
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Is anyone seeing their password in TIMS yet?

lynca 10-12-2012 10:23
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhsrobotics1671 (Post 1200348)
Is anyone seeing their password in TIMS yet?
I don't see ours yet.

I'm worried that our TIMS status is not officially paid, so we might not get a password until we are officially paid. So we might just have to wait out the sponsor payment cycle.

waitwhat? 10-12-2012 10:24
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Whenever someone sees that they have recieved your password, would you mind jsut posting a quick reply on here? Might help with some of the confusion, that is assuming they give the passwords out prior to noon...:confused:

rees2001 10-12-2012 10:25
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhsrobotics1671 (Post 1200348)
Is anyone seeing their password in TIMS yet?
I can't even get into TIMS right now. As of 8AM EST the code was not there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FIRST Choice Website
Your team's Main and Alternate contacts will have access to your team's FIRST Choice password in your team's TIMS account around 12pm EST, December 10th. If this is an issue please contact frcteams@usfirst.org"
I sense TIMS is going to get overloaded "around" 12pm EST.

slijin 10-12-2012 11:15
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1200345)
Is this new today? I don't remember seeing it before.
I don't remember seeing it before either. I got a followup email from Jerry Budd at 9:47AM with that notice in response to my email (which Andy had already replied to, as I mentioned above).

T minus 45.

McGurky 10-12-2012 11:20
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by waitwhat? (Post 1200350)
Whenever someone sees that they have recieved your password, would you mind jsut posting a quick reply on here? Might help with some of the confusion, that is assuming they give the passwords out prior to noon...:confused:
It looks like they will be giving out the passwords right at noon, as Andymark's First Choice site is already ready to log in to. I wish they could have done it the other way around, giving the passwords out early, and opening up to log in at 12:00 EST. This way it gives teams whose purchasers and main/alternate contacts are different people time to exchange the password prior to the system opening up.

Besides this, I am extremely happy with the overall process

Gary Dillard 10-12-2012 11:28
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I received an email last week from Kyrie Kowalik, Team Grants Coordinator at FIRST in regards to my question about our being able to order FIRST Choice and PDV parts today if we still show unpaid but have a PO for a grant in the system. I was told we will be all set to order the parts, so hopefully we'll all be OK. (we'll find out soon enough I guess)

McGurky 10-12-2012 11:35
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Dillard (Post 1200370)
I received an email last week from Kyrie Kowalik, Team Grants Coordinator at FIRST in regards to my question about our being able to order FIRST Choice and PDV parts today if we still show unpaid but have a PO for a grant in the system. I was told we will be all set to order the parts, so hopefully we'll all be OK. (we'll find out soon enough I guess)
Make sure you team number is available to chose from in AndyMark. http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice-s/273.htm

When I check, you look good to go from AndyMarks side, however is still possible that you may not get your password in TIMS.

CalTran 10-12-2012 11:48
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I'm still curious as to who's going to get the single Cypress IO module...

smcmahon 10-12-2012 11:52
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Weird... I don't see 2656 on that dropdown list? What does that mean for us?

McGurky 10-12-2012 11:52
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smcmahon (Post 1200378)
Weird... I don't see 2656 on that dropdown list? What does that mean for us?
Email or call 1-800-US1-TEAM, frcteams@usfirst.org immediately!

smcmahon 10-12-2012 11:55
Re: First Choice 2013
 
On it!

Mark McLeod 10-12-2012 12:01
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Password is posted on TIMS.

Doesn't work for me though.

smcmahon 10-12-2012 12:02
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Well, apparently our check didn't arrive at FIRST yet for the balance owed on our FRC bill for Pittsburgh. We mailed the check last Tuesday. They said they won't give us the password until the balance is paid off...

EDIT: Now they're claiming we DID pay, but the password hasn't been posted in TIMS. Of course, it sounds like people that do have the password aren't much better off right now.

sanddrag 10-12-2012 12:02
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1200385)
Password is posted on TIMS.

Doesn't work for me though.
Me Neither.

AdamHeard 10-12-2012 12:02
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1200385)
Password is posted on TIMS.

Doesn't work for me though.
Me either!

Joey Milia 10-12-2012 12:04
Re: First Choice 2013
 
have the password but log in doesn't work

Doug G 10-12-2012 12:04
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Nope, no luck with us either... Something is amiss!

rees2001 10-12-2012 12:05
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1200388)
Me either!
Same here!

Meredith Novak 10-12-2012 12:05
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Not working for 16 either.

JohnBoucher 10-12-2012 12:05
Re: First Choice 2013
 
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Nemo 10-12-2012 12:05
Re: First Choice 2013
 
My password also does not work.

David Brinza 10-12-2012 12:05
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Password does not work. Tried upper/lower case. Fail!

CalTran 10-12-2012 12:06
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Worked for me just fine? This is odd.

waitwhat? 10-12-2012 12:07
Re: First Choice 2013
 
not working for us either. Just got off the phone with FIRST and they said they would give me a call back...

mrwright 10-12-2012 12:07
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Our password worked and we just placed our order!

McGurky 10-12-2012 12:08
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Worked fine for us. This is interesting...

Have you guys contacted support through andymark or first? EDIT: I saw some of you have now.

AdamHeard 10-12-2012 12:08
Re: First Choice 2013
 
That's just awesome that some people are in, and pw's are working for some teams....

Mr. Van 10-12-2012 12:08
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I've called FIRST -

They're not sure what's wrong yet.

Right with you, Adam.

- Mr. Van
Coach, Robodox

mwibbels 10-12-2012 12:08
Re: First Choice 2013
 
2122's order went through.

Hope that it starts working for you guys!

Mark

razorgator 10-12-2012 12:08
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Worked for 3612.

MechEng83 10-12-2012 12:08
Re: First Choice 2013
 
PW worked and parts ordered. Whew!
I copied and pasted directly from TIMS. Make sure you use the FIRST Choice Password, as there are other PDV codes on there too.

Good luck to everyone else.

rees2001 10-12-2012 12:09
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1200396)
Worked for me just fine? This is odd.
Just spoke with FIRST Support, it is on AM end, check back in 10 minutes?

scottandme 10-12-2012 12:09
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Worked for me, in and out. First time I copied the code from TIMS it didn't take, second time it worked. Items are slowly reducing in quantity, so others are getting in.

sanddrag 10-12-2012 12:09
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I don't mean to be impatient, but this is very not cool, yet so typical. Aside from the fact that we're not getting a fair shot at the goods, some of us are sitting here at on the clock at work doing this, and we need to get on with our day. I love the concept, but so far am disappointed in the execution.

Jared Russell 10-12-2012 12:10
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Watching the stock of Talons drop in real time is pretty impressive.

CalTran 10-12-2012 12:10
Re: First Choice 2013
 
GOod luck to those teams, and it's really unfortunate that teams are having difficulty to get in to FIRST Choice, especially since it looks like some pretty high class teams are having difficulty.

ehochstein 10-12-2012 12:11
Re: First Choice 2013
 
3081 reporting in. Able to log in and select items for purchase.

SteveGarward 10-12-2012 12:11
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I was having trouble, but just got in. Keep trying?

robodude03 10-12-2012 12:11
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Also having issues with logging in... this is disappointing.

smistthegreat 10-12-2012 12:11
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Just from this sample size, it looks like every team that can't get in is numbered under 1000. Not sure if coincidence or not, but definitely curious.

Jared Russell 10-12-2012 12:13
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smistthegreat (Post 1200414)
Just from this sample size, it looks like every team that can't get in is numbered under 1000. Not sure if coincidence or not, but definitely curious.
Username in one system is XXX, in the other it is 0XXX?

Trying to Help 10-12-2012 12:14
Re: First Choice 2013
 
1729 able to login and get items. We did get a payment "error occurred" during the checkout process but a quick reload did the job.

Jared Russell 10-12-2012 12:15
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Classmates sold out, under 100 Talons left. Hopefully teams are able to get in :(

CalTran 10-12-2012 12:17
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1200418)
Classmates sold out, under 100 Talons left. Hopefully teams are able to get in :(
Down to ~50 now. Who got the Cypress IO Module? Hope everyone's gotten in now.

AdamHeard 10-12-2012 12:17
Re: First Choice 2013
 
We are able to get in and order what we wanted.

I hope other teams aren't seriously affected by this!

Kevin Sevcik 10-12-2012 12:17
Re: First Choice 2013
 
57 can't get in, according to our team lead. Which is REALLY annoying. I was hoping for some of those talons or a classmate. Or, you know, anything.

scottandme 10-12-2012 12:17
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Going to be slim pickings for the next 100 credits assuming they don't re-stock items. Classmate, encoders, and digital sidecar are all OOS. Talons will be in a few seconds.

Edit: Talons OOS at 12:18 PM EST

Justin Montois 10-12-2012 12:18
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1200418)
Classmates sold out, under 100 Talons left. Hopefully teams are able to get in :(
Now Talons are gone. That was fast..

ehochstein 10-12-2012 12:18
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Talon is oos. Digital sidecar as well.

shewejff 10-12-2012 12:19
Re: First Choice 2013
 
As someone else mentioned, the password didn't work when I copied and pasted. I had to physically type it in. Go go go.

bhsrobotics1671 10-12-2012 12:19
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I was successful with no issues. Got my order submitted with other products as well and used some of our PDV

CalTran 10-12-2012 12:20
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Montois (Post 1200424)
Now Talons are gone. That was fast..
20 mins and they all left. Anyone remember how many they started out with? It'd be interesting to figure out how many Talons/minute were selected. IIRC it was a fairly high number

Nemo 10-12-2012 12:20
Re: First Choice 2013
 
After not working initially, mine started working about 10 minutes in.

Wetzel 10-12-2012 12:21
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I was able to get in fine, once I realized that one letter near the end was capitalized and the rest were lowercase.

talons, crio, sensors. :D

Wetzel

Meredith Novak 10-12-2012 12:22
Re: First Choice 2013
 
FRC 16 just got in a our order was placed okay.

Mark McLeod 10-12-2012 12:22
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1200429)
20 mins and they all left. Anyone remember how many they started out with? It'd be interesting to figure out how many Talons/minute were selected. IIRC it was a fairly high number
478 to start with.

Guess I'll try logging in tomorrow :rolleyes:
Robot parts are overrated anyhow...

Jared Russell 10-12-2012 12:22
Re: First Choice 2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1200429)
20 mins and they all left. Anyone remember how many they started out with? It'd be interesting to figure out how many Talons/minute were selected. IIRC it was a fairly high number
Sitting on the page hitting F5 I was seeing >50 Talons per minute fly off the shelf by 12:10.

agartner01 10-12-2012 12:24
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I'm extremely happy the servers held up. 4174 order completed!

dcarr 10-12-2012 12:24
Re: First Choice 2013
 
I'm surprised that cRIOs didn't go out of stock (yet), they seem like one of the better $/credit values on there.


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