FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Taken from the FRC Blog, 12/10/12: http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...T-Choice-Issue and http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...-Issue-Part-II

Part I
Part II
"Our lesson here can be useful to all: test systems under a wide variety of circumstances, and test them hard!" - That certainly is true!

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Wow. That really bites for the teams who fall under this category. My wishes to all the teams who are affected by this and hopefully it does not affect them too much.

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Einstein 2012 anybody?

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Most likely all the Talons, specifically when they were "restocked" :(

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Wrong solution. All orders should have been cancelled as soon as the problems became apparent (which by all accounts was quite early in the process), and the ordering rescheduled on another date. There is no urgency to these orders at this early date and there was ample time for a re-do. Complete fairness to all teams should be paramount and worth whatever difficulties there would have been in rescheduling the process.

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

I completely agree. Given the fact that I was sitting trying to connect for a good solid half hour before I could get in, then quickly build a cart (as there were hardly any quantity limits), then realize that half my cart went out of stock is super frustrating.

In my mind cancel it all. Try again. Realize that they system you created was not ready for prime time and try again. And while you are at it.. add some basic quantity limits on some of the items. (ahem- talon) Allow a good plurality of teams to get the option to purchase the item rather than let a few teams hoard all the parts. In my mind the PDV was aimed to help fill out your KOP not to stock up on only a single component!

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

I would love this solution...

(primarily because the urgency of the situation wasn't known to the people behind our TIMS account, who never made an order...)

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Yes, Please! We were excited to get 2 talons (thinking they were still in stock). Especially because we had been considering our budget and our current necessity for more motor controllers. I read some posts on the forums of teams buying 6+ Talons. Stocking up is a good idea (especially at such a price) but it would definitely make more sense to put a quantity limit on such high demand goods.

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Keep in mind there is a distinct difference between the PDV and FIRST Choice.

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

Ah, me and the other team leadership begged our teacher to let us out of class to go order things off FIRST Choice (Luckily it was Computer Science and the teacher is a team supporter). We ran over to our robotics team teacher sponsor, barged into her class and got her to login -- "Ohhhh! I saw that earlier but didn't see anything interesting!" she said!

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

LOL, that's the best visual ever. "YOU HAVE TO STOP CLASS, FIRST CHOICE IS OPEN WE NEED TO ORDERRRRRRRR" ::rtm::

Teacher: "what?"

:D

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

That is literally what happened. Me and a group of 3 other students wearing robotics T-shirts BURST into the room out of breath and (somewhat loudly I'll admit) said "We need to log into FIRST Choice NOW".

It all started back in Computer Science -- I was browsing the Chief Delphi forums wishing that we knew the login when I saw that Talons were going for 6 and cRIO's for 9, we knew we had to take extreme measures. It was worth the loss of instruction time for sure though.

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

LOL, I can see you were being REAL productive in CS - lucky for you, your teachers like you. ;)

Priorities, you have them. Please tell me you didn't need to take the same measures when it came to registering for regionals. ;)

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

I'm glad to know I wasn't the only person to do this today.

Re: FRC Blogged - FIRST Choice Issue (And Part II)
 

While I'm not advocating (or insulting) this response, but I will point out that according to the FIRST Choice thread, some orders have already shipped. I suspect this was to ensure AM could ship all 2,600 orders in time. I can't confirm the accuracy of this personally, but if true it does complicate opportunities to change the approach now.

Addition thought -
What I do intend to do, and I know it's not much, is ask FIRST to relax the 2013 BOM accounting rules so that teams can count these as Kit of Parts (free) even though we couldn't actually purchase them this way. I certainly don't look forward to spending the additional several hundred dollars we'll likely have to, and can't imagine the impact it will have on lower-budget teams, but at least we won't also be handicapped on the BOM.