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Tristan Lall 12-12-2012 04:44

Re: VEX PRO. To use it or not to use it.
 
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Originally Posted by Cory (Post 1201183)
So...it's a cosmetic surface finish?

I don't understand why you'd anodize the gear if you're going to machine it away at the only point where it matters.

To be perfectly honest, I don't know their rationale either.

Here's proof from PIC. (Most of the aluminum gears in that catalogue are notated "Anodized Before Cutting".) And similarly for SDP/SI. (Typical of their 2024 aluminum gears, but not the 5052 aluminum ones.)

Kevin Sevcik 12-12-2012 10:33

Re: VEX PRO. To use it or not to use it.
 
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Originally Posted by Tristan Lall (Post 1201194)
To be perfectly honest, I don't know their rationale either.

Here's proof from PIC. (Most of the aluminum gears in that catalogue are notated "Anodized Before Cutting".) And similarly for SDP/SI. (Typical of their 2024 aluminum gears, but not the 5052 aluminum ones.)

I could understand it on fine pitch gears. As DMike pointed out, it'd be difficult to get good coating thickness down in the teeth, and you'd probably yield the teeth before you built up enough pressure that galling and wear became a problem.

MichaelBick 12-12-2012 12:34

Re: VEX PRO. To use it or not to use it.
 
I know the coating/ano affects the tooth shape. For that reason I know WCP modifies their gear profile to account for the coating and ano. Does vex do this too?

JVN 12-12-2012 12:53

Re: VEX PRO. To use it or not to use it.
 
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Originally Posted by MICHAELABICK (Post 1201267)
I know the coating/ano affects the tooth shape. For that reason I know WCP modifies their gear profile to account for the coating and ano. Does vex do this too?

Yes we do. :)

-John

Nikhil Bajaj 12-12-2012 13:02

Re: VEX PRO. To use it or not to use it.
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1201228)
I could understand it on fine pitch gears. As DMike pointed out, it'd be difficult to get good coating thickness down in the teeth, and you'd probably yield the teeth before you built up enough pressure that galling and wear became a problem.

Whether wear or yield/fatigue failure comes first depends on a lot of design parameters, which are mostly accounted for if you look at say, the AGMA gear design methodology and equations. Most undergraduate-level machine design textbooks will have this in detailed form.

I'd be careful about generalizing the statement, but for FRC purposes I'd guess you're usually right if gearboxes are designed and sized appropriately for the application, since our designs are generally very intermittent (what's the actual use life of an FRC robot? A couple hundred hours tops?) so wear is usually not as much a factor as the fatigue caused by the shock loads.

daniel_dsouza 12-12-2012 20:16

Re: VEX PRO. To use it or not to use it.
 
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Originally Posted by JVN (Post 1201276)
Yes we do. :)

-John

Yes, I know that this is a terrible reason to make a design decision, but as one of our mentors pointed out, "JVN was involved in the design; It has to be good!" :D


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