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gabrielau23 13-12-2012 00:33

Game hint....when?
 
Sorry guys. I'll admit it. I'm addicted to FIRST, and the wait for the first REAL hint, not the "Rick Roll" is starting to become unbearable. Last year we got our hint fairly early, and while it often has little to no impact on how teams prepare, the endless speculation is very fun. Does anybody know when they expect to show the first game hint?

dcarr 13-12-2012 03:54

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gabrielau23 (Post 1201520)
Does anybody know when they expect to show the first game hint?

Actually, we've had the game hint for at least a week now, we've just been hiding it from you :)

Sorry, none of us (with a few exceptions) have any information about the game hints that you don't.

FrankJ 13-12-2012 08:20

Re: Game hint....when?
 
It is going to be a water game. Sorry, I thought everybody knew that. :ahh:

Taylor 13-12-2012 08:29

Re: Game hint....when?
 
And the game pieces are banana-shaped jello pieces.

wilhitern1 13-12-2012 09:11

Re: Game hint....when?
 
It's been a while since the last stacking exercise, so I guess that's one I'm expecting. It could also make the Kinect very helpful. If you think about it, we got the hint last season.

"Expect the Kinect, to be esential next year..." or something like that...

Neal

Andrew Lawrence 13-12-2012 09:23

Re: Game hint....when?
 
I thought we all agreed the 2013 game was "Pudding Power"?

DiehardCybercard 13-12-2012 09:51

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNerd256 (Post 1201557)
I thought we all agreed the 2013 game was "Pudding Power"?

And under the pudding is regolith.

Taylor 13-12-2012 09:54

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DiehardCybercard (Post 1201564)
And under the pudding is regolith.

Can you give us the CoF for that?

Gregor 13-12-2012 09:57

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taylor (Post 1201566)
Can you give us the CoF for that?

0.

ttldomination 13-12-2012 09:59

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Yeah, sure, let's post a CD post about this to get things rolling. I'm sure that'll prod the GDC.

In alternative news, I think the first game hint last year came out at around 15th-ish? So, I guess something around this time. Keep an eye out on the horizon.

- Sunny G.

Libby K 13-12-2012 16:08

Re: Game hint....when?
 
They usually come out right before Christmas.
Be patient, and go do something else with your life while you still have time!

Jon Stratis 13-12-2012 17:02

Re: Game hint....when?
 
You mean you aren't already insanely busy Libby? So far this fall, we've rebuilt our BreakAway robot, designed and built a test setup for motor controllers (ran out of time to perform our tests though... that might happen in week 1), built 2 robots from a expanded VEX kit we won at an offseason event a year ago (we wanted to get some experience with different arm designs), went to 2 offseason competitions, did beta testing (which involved a complete re-write of last year's code), mentored some Lego League teams, and just gave 3 presentations (2 sessions each for two of them, 3 sessions for one of them) last weekend! And all of that is just from the build team. The PR team has been meeting separately (and more often!)... but that's at the school while I'm at work, so I don't have much visibility into all the work they do.

I, for one, am ready for the game hint!

Brandon Zalinsky 13-12-2012 17:04

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Can we get a Christmas gift from the GDC?

Andrew Lawrence 13-12-2012 18:16

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flak-Bait (Post 1201603)
Can we get a Christmas gift from the GDC?

How about a Christmas gift FOR the GDC? They worked so hard to give us the water game we've been waiting for, we should get them something to show our thanks. :D

Ultimatum 13-12-2012 18:19

Re: Game hint....when?
 
I do believe they are releasing the next hint January 5th. :P

dellagd 13-12-2012 18:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimatum (Post 1201625)
I do believe they are releasing the next hint January 5th. :P

I have a feeling that would be quite a large one


Anyway, yes, I to am checking the frc blog right when I wake up in hopes of a hint.....

gabrielau23 13-12-2012 20:18

Re: Game hint....when?
 
So it's going to be hovercraft manipulating banana shaped jello pieces with regolith underneath. And the endgame will be trying to pick up chocolate pudding. Sounds good, guys!!

Whippet 13-12-2012 20:54

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNerd256 (Post 1201622)
How about a Christmas gift FOR the GDC? They worked so hard to give us the water game we've been waiting for, we should get them something to show our thanks. :D

Let's get them a swimming pool...and put it right in the middle of the game lab. Right where they keep the prototype field. :ahh:

gyroscopeRaptor 13-12-2012 21:54

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1201724)
Let's get them a swimming pool...and put it right in the middle of the game lab. Right where they keep the prototype field. :ahh:

It's always awkward to give people a gift that they already own.

dellagd 14-12-2012 00:41

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Next blog post could be any day now...please let it contain a hint....

On a totally unrelated note, I never noticed the birthday cake by someone's name on their birthday. Cool little thing...

thisOrrthat 14-12-2012 01:30

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I think we got one with first choice. Why would Andymark put an ir transmitter if it wasn't going to be needed. I would guess that there will be a hybrid mode where we can control our robots with a remote.

dcarr 14-12-2012 01:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thisOrrthat (Post 1201776)
I think we got one with first choice. Why would Andymark put an ir transmitter if it wasn't going to be needed. I would guess that there will be a hybrid mode where we can control our robots with a remote.

Sure seems like a gigantic step backwards from the Kinect, which hasn't even been tapped to its full potential yet. I'm not putting money on this theory (but there's already a 300+ post thread about this...)

efoote868 14-12-2012 07:04

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1201547)
It is going to be a water game. Sorry, I thought everybody knew that. :ahh:

There's a reason we've been needing pool noodles since 2006.

Hallry 14-12-2012 08:09

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Getting back to the actual question asked in the O.P., does anyone have a list of the dates that the game hints for past years have been released?

EDIT:

Did some investigating myself:
2012 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/12) = 1st Game Hint (12/02/11)
2011 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/11) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/10), 2nd Game Hint (1/4/11)
2010 (Kickoff Date: 1/9/10) = 1st Game Hint (12/24/09), 2nd Game Hint (1/6/10)
2009 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/09 ) = 1st Game Hint (12/4/08), 2nd Game Hint (12/11/08),
2008 (Kickoff Date: 1/12/08) = 1st Game Hint (12/15/07), 2nd Game Hint (12/21/07), 3rd Game Hint (1/02/08)
2007 (Kickoff Date: 1/13/07) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/06)
2006 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/06) = 1st Game Hint (12/23/05)
2005 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/05) = 1st Game Hint (12/30/04)
2004 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/04) = 1st Game Hint (1/6/04)

I can't find the date for the 2003 game hint, though.

wilhitern1 14-12-2012 09:50

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I'm not seeing the IR Transmitter. Could someone please toss me a link?

Neal

wilhitern1 14-12-2012 10:02

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Sorry, Found it...

So here's my thought.

During automation, there's some need for sequenced team action. Robot 1 takes action 1 that must be completed before action 2 can be carried out. And so forth. The actions are in completely different areas of the court. There's still only 1 Kinect station available per side so no way to sequence that way. Each robot can move to it's position and wait for its IR to start it's sequence...

Perhaps far fetched...

Neal

FrankJ 14-12-2012 10:04

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The Rookie/Veteran kit variation is posted on First site. No Kinect station is listed. Typically veteran kits only get this kind of high value thing once. As much as anything is typical. This means one of three things.

1) Kinect is not being used this year
2) Everybody is getting one.
3) The list is incomplete.

coalhot 14-12-2012 11:50

Re: Game hint....when?
 
C'mon GDC! Finals be over, give us our hint!

All kidding aside, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't release a hint this year. Or if they release it late. Like, really really late. Just a hunch.

As for everyone wanting a water game: no. just no. I do hope that the GDC hangs a bottle of water on the field to be able to say they had a "Water Game". It would put all the complaints to rest. :D

Jared Russell 14-12-2012 12:27

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1201800)
Getting back to the actual question asked in the O.P., does anyone have a list of the dates that the game hints for past years have been released?

EDIT:

Did some investigating myself:
2012 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/12) = 1st Game Hint (12/02/11)
2011 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/11) = 1st Hint (12/21/11), 2nd Hint (1/4/11)
2010 (Kickoff Date: 1/9/10) = 1st Game Hint (12/24/09), 2nd Game Hint (1/6/10)
2009 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/09 ) = 1st Game Hint (12/4/08.), 2nd Game Hint (12/11/08),
2008 (Kickoff Date: 1/12/08) = 1st Game Hint (12/15/07), 2nd Game Hint (12/21/07), 3rd Game Hint (1/02/08)
2007 (Kickoff Date: 1/13/07) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/06)
2006 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/06) = 1st Game Hint (12/23/05)
2005 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/05) = 1st Game Hint (12/30/04)
2004 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/04) = 1st Game Hint (1/6/04)

I can't find the date for the 2003 game hint, though.

Going through those threads in hindsight is always fun. What is interesting is that in many, many cases, a very early post in the thread (within the first few pages) has figured out a salient part of the hint. Of course without the benefit of hindsight, knowing which single post is right is not quite as straightforward...

2012: Posters quickly identified that high speed counters were well suited to a ball shooting game.
2011: Posters quickly said that the pole was to be climbed, and there would be three different FIRST-logo shaped game pieces.
2010: Within 3 pages a poster postulated that the image was an upside down ball return chute.
2009: By page 6 a poster had said "maybe the playing surface will be like the surface of the moon", and with the 2nd hint we identified an "ice game" on page one, among other insights.
2008: TV remote control of robots, "tortoise and hare" allusion to a racing game, and "hurdling" during the race all mentioned early.
2007: Took a little longer...6 pages until several posters mentioned inner tubes.
2006: Camera, shooting game mentioned quickly.
2005: Triple Play (game name) mentioned in very first post, concept of scoring in rows of 3 mentioned shortly thereafter
2004: Stairs mentioned in the very first post

Just know that if/when the 2013 hint(s) are posted, it is highly probably that somebody will nail down a pretty specific part of the game within the first 5 pages ;)

coalhot 14-12-2012 12:34

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared341 (Post 1201844)
Just know that if/when the 2013 hint(s) are posted, it is highly probably that somebody will nail down a pretty specific part of the game within the first 5 pages ;)

Heh, true. However, I do recall being somewhat involved in 2009's hint/s, and recalling that the game was leaked (and posted) in multiple different places. I just find it funny, especially since we're almost halfway through December, and the only "hints" we have are a bunch of new parts and a photo thumbtacked to a corkboard. Not really solid hints, are they... :p

Hallry 14-12-2012 16:42

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1201800)
2012 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/12) = 1st Game Hint (12/02/11)
2011 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/11) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/10), 2nd Game Hint (1/4/11)
2010 (Kickoff Date: 1/9/10) = 1st Game Hint (12/24/09), 2nd Game Hint (1/6/10)
2009 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/09 ) = 1st Game Hint (12/4/08.), 2nd Game Hint (12/11/08),
2008 (Kickoff Date: 1/12/08) = 1st Game Hint (12/15/07), 2nd Game Hint (12/21/07), 3rd Game Hint (1/02/08)
2007 (Kickoff Date: 1/13/07) = 1st Game Hint (12/21/06)
2006 (Kickoff Date: 1/7/06) = 1st Game Hint (12/23/05)
2005 (Kickoff Date: 1/8/05) = 1st Game Hint (12/30/04)
2004 (Kickoff Date: 1/10/04) = 1st Game Hint (1/6/04)

Based on this data:
1. On average, a 1st game hint would be released 22 days before Kickoff, which would be December 14th, 2012 (Today).
2. On average, a 2nd game hint would be released 15 days before Kickoff, which would be December 21st, 2012.
3. On average, a 3rd game hint would be released 10 days before Kickoff, which would be December 26th, 2012.
4. The most common day for the first hint to be released is also December 21st.
5. The most common day for any hint to be released is also December 21st.
6. The second most common day for any hint to be released is January 6th.
7. 2012 was the first time after 4 years of more than one hint being released.

Jon Stratis 14-12-2012 16:49

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1201902)
Based on this data:
1. On average, a 1st game hint would be released 22 days before Kickoff, which would be December 14th, 2012 (Today).
2. On average, a 2nd game hint would be released 15 days before Kickoff, which would be December 21st, 2012.
3. On average, a 3rd game hint would be released 10 days before Kickoff, which would be December 26th, 2012.
4. The most common day for the first hint to be released is also December 21st.
5. The most common day for any hint to be released is also December 21st.
6. The second most common day for any hint to be released is January 6th.
7. 2012 was the first time after 4 years of more than one hint being released.

You'd probably be better off looking at it from a perspective of "the last game hint X days, the second to last XX days, and the third to last XXX days before kickoff". The question is, how many game hints can we expect? It probably depends on how "easy" the GDC thinks the hint is... if people start narrowing in on what the hint is telling us, like the ball counters from last year, they'll probably limit the number of hints. After all, they don't want us to be guessing all of the game features, and they don't want to guarantee any specific feature!

Hallry 14-12-2012 16:54

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1201905)
You'd probably be better off looking at it from a perspective of "the last game hint X days, the second to last XX days, and the third to last XXX days before kickoff".

Well, then the last game hint would come out 10 days before Kickoff (December 21st, 2012), the second to last would come out 15 days before Kickoff (December 26th, 2012), and the third to last would come out 22 days before kickoff (Today, December 14th, 2012).

Is that what you mean?

Jon Stratis 14-12-2012 19:24

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Nope. When you reverse it like this, you don't average all of the first game hints - you average the last ones. So last year it was the first, the three years prior the third, prior to that the third, etc - whichever ones were closest to kickoff.

That results in averages of 14.8 (12/21) days before kickoff for the last game hint, 23.25 (12/12) days before for the second to last game hint, and 28 (12/8) days for the third to last game hint.

That would seem to indicate that, on average, we're past the point of having 3 game hints this year, and quickly approaching the point of only getting 1 game hint this year!

Camren 14-12-2012 20:14

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankJ (Post 1201547)
It is going to be a water game. Sorry, I thought everybody knew that. :ahh:

This would be the year for one in lieu of Dean Kamen's most recent modern marvel "The Slingshot"

dellagd 14-12-2012 20:18

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1201944)
That would seem to indicate that, on average, we're past the point of having 3 game hints this year, and quickly approaching the point of only getting 1 game hint this year!

Say it ain't so! :eek:

Hallry 14-12-2012 21:29

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Stratis (Post 1201944)
Nope. When you reverse it like this, you don't average all of the first game hints - you average the last ones. So last year it was the first, the three years prior the third, prior to that the third, etc - whichever ones were closest to kickoff.

That results in averages of 14.8 (12/21) days before kickoff for the last game hint, 23.25 (12/12) days before for the second to last game hint, and 28 (12/8) days for the third to last game hint.

That would seem to indicate that, on average, we're past the point of having 3 game hints this year, and quickly approaching the point of only getting 1 game hint this year!

Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining it and doing that math, I wasn't getting what you were saying at first =). I can live without a three hints, but the first better come soon!

CalTran 16-12-2012 15:40

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Perhaps the Rick Roll goes deeper than we thought and it is the ONLY hint we'll be getting...

I'm thinking that this year, as stated, we're only going to get one hint. Given what Hallry stated, once it's released than it will probably be identified within the first few pages. My bet is on page 1, possibly even first post, citing the data in which the rate a "game" was determined and the level of mystery hints carry based off of the amounts of hints. (1 hint = easy hint)

Brandon Zalinsky 17-12-2012 14:48

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallry (Post 1201902)
4. The most common day for the first hint to be released is also December 21st.

I think they haven't made a game and are just hoping the world will end before they have to release a game hint :D

dellagd 17-12-2012 14:58

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Gah. Saw a new blog post and got excited for a second...

dellagd 20-12-2012 23:03

Re: Game hint....when?
 
So a hint being released on the 21st means they'll do it right a 12 AM, right???? :D

coalhot 20-12-2012 23:31

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I'd like to think so, but I'm pretty sure the correct response is "you wish" :P

ehfeinberg 21-12-2012 00:00

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Ok, I stayed up till the end of the world...
Where's my game hint?

coalhot 21-12-2012 00:15

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Just go to bed, it'll be there when you wake up. Or it should be...

nathannfm 21-12-2012 00:21

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ehfeinberg (Post 1203644)
Ok, I stayed up till the end of the world...
Where's my game hint?

You think they are gonna let the teams in Hawaii find out a day early? :P
I give it at least another 5 hours.

dellagd 21-12-2012 00:26

Re: Game hint....when?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ehfeinberg (Post 1203644)
Ok, I stayed up till the end of the world...
Where's my game hint?

Ha, was thinking the exact same thing...

coalhot 21-12-2012 00:30

Re: Game hint....when?
 
I think that the 3:00 hint from the Rick Astley pic means their posting the hint up at either 3AM or 3PM. I wonder...

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