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MelodyPond 21-12-2012 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HumblePie (Post 1203748)
Intrigued by the KOP dimensions, could be interesting if not a typo. We believe that the GDC works more than 1 year out, so I dug up this post from last year:

"On a slightly unrelated note, there has been a lot of speculation re: the return of minibots. Why not apply the "miniaturization" principle to the grown-up bot? The 38 x 28 footprint has been somewhat sacred lately, and it's possible that the GDC had issues with so many chassis designs being "recirculated" from Rack 'n Roll last year. The new CRio is smaller, why not the robots? A smaller footprint would force many teams to rethink their entire packaging scheme."

Smaller robots might make a 3 alliance match feasible, or are we missing the obvious witht the multi-colored push pins, and the GAME PIECES come in 3 colors (red/yellow/blue)?
Yellow was the color of the autonomous Logomotion tubes right? There were three different colored pins, and the third color was yellow. If the rumors are true that there may be 3 minute matches, then the rumors that there will be longer autonomous rounds could be explained by the third push pin. Right?

rlowe61 21-12-2012 12:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1203721)
So the number 31 is repeated twice, so when searching it into a regular google search, one of the top links is this: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...n31/index.html
This may refer to the game in some fashion because FIRST has been known to relate games to NASA missions and other accomplishments.
If you look at the link, during mission 31, they experimented with "Water".....Water Game

CalTran 21-12-2012 12:24
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For y'all, h2o is a bent molecule, easily converted to a triangular shape (clear "bond" thing between the hydrogen) there's your water game

Sean Raia 21-12-2012 12:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HumblePie (Post 1203764)
I dunno....this reminds me more of MEATLOAF.....
Quote:
A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT
It could be both Seal, and Meatloaf.
I don't believe that's what they were going for, but maybe there is something in common between the two singers.

Walter Deitzler 21-12-2012 12:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coalhot (Post 1203802)
How about this? You miss a dinner, yet you don't lose any weight. Sounds like something is being removed, yet it's not affecting/changing anything.
Well, with the fact that there seems to be a smaller chassis. This could mean that sized is removed from the robot allowance, yet it shouldn't subtract from the overall play of the game.

LightSpeedIII 21-12-2012 12:31
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So, a few of the team members here (myself included) have made a link between the line "A DINNER, MISSED".
If you go back on the FRC Blog, you will notice that they had a blog post about a dinner for the FRC staff, Frank lists those who attended in the post.
We figured that someone was missing from the list, thus "missed", so we looked into it and found out that the FRC staff has 19 people on it, the list contains 18 (including Frank, who posted it). So ChiefDelphi, the question is... Who is missing?

danopia 21-12-2012 12:32
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Seems to me like there's a smaller chassis but the weight limit isn't reduced?

MelodyPond 21-12-2012 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HumblePie (Post 1203748)
Intrigued by the KOP dimensions, could be interesting if not a typo. We believe that the GDC works more than 1 year out, so I dug up this post from last year:

"On a slightly unrelated note, there has been a lot of speculation re: the return of minibots. Why not apply the "miniaturization" principle to the grown-up bot? The 38 x 28 footprint has been somewhat sacred lately, and it's possible that the GDC had issues with so many chassis designs being "recirculated" from Rack 'n Roll last year. The new CRio is smaller, why not the robots? A smaller footprint would force many teams to rethink their entire packaging scheme."

Smaller robots might make a 3 alliance match feasible, or are we missing the obvious witht the multi-colored push pins, and the GAME PIECES come in 3 colors (red/yellow/blue)?

The yellow tubes in Logomotion were the autonomous tubes correct? If the rumors about a 3 minute match are true, then it's possible the third yellow push pin could indicate longer autonomous periods. Also wouldn't a longer (3 minute) match cause another issue on power conservation since batteries are already shot by the end of those 2:15 matches! Challenge accepted.

Roger 21-12-2012 12:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Raia
It could be both Seal, and Meatloaf.
I don't believe that's what they were going for, but maybe there is something in common between the two singers.
Both bats! (Batman Forever and Bat out of Hell)

karomata 21-12-2012 12:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeedIII (Post 1203808)
So, a few of the team members here (myself included) have made a link between the line "A DINNER, MISSED".
If you go back on the FRC Blog, you will notice that they had a blog post about a dinner for the FRC staff, Frank lists those who attended in the post.
We figured that someone was missing from the list, thus "missed", so we looked into it and found out that the FRC staff has 19 people on it, the list contains 18 (including Frank, who posted it). So ChiefDelphi, the question is... Who is missing?
Can you provide a link to this entry, I can't seem to find it...

BigJ 21-12-2012 12:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeedIII (Post 1203808)
So, a few of the team members here (myself included) have made a link between the line "A DINNER, MISSED".
If you go back on the FRC Blog, you will notice that they had a blog post about a dinner for the FRC staff, Frank lists those who attended in the post.
We figured that someone was missing from the list, thus "missed", so we looked into it and found out that the FRC staff has 19 people on it, the list contains 18 (including Frank, who posted it). So ChiefDelphi, the question is... Who is missing?
Sounds like the "second clue" was the FRC staff list?

Edit: Where is your 19-person source from?

Justin Montois 21-12-2012 12:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coalhot (Post 1203802)
How about this? You miss a dinner, yet you don't lose any weight. Sounds like something is being removed, yet it's not affecting/changing anything.
You might be onto something. The AM kitbot appears to be only 30" long. A dinner missed, holding weight may mean robots get smaller, weight allowance stays the same?

AllenGregoryIV 21-12-2012 12:37
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Another reason to believe that the size has changed is they have been very reluctant to post details about the new belt system. You would think FRC/AndyMark/Gates would want teams prepared for the change but we haven't seen anything at allow outside of the announcement that it will be belt and that teams will be able to do an all wheel powered 6 wheel drive. If they told us the belt lengths we could quickly learn that it was for a non-38" long chassis.

I'm guessing 28 x 28 robots.

ChiefDJ 21-12-2012 12:38
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TRY BINARY

Justin Montois 21-12-2012 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigJ (Post 1203813)
Sounds like the "second clue" was the FRC staff list?

Edit: Where is your 19-person source from?
http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...-the-frc-staff

Doesn't mention 19 People being on Staff or anyone missing...

coalhot 21-12-2012 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeedIII (Post 1203808)
So, a few of the team members here (myself included) have made a link between the line "A DINNER, MISSED".
If you go back on the FRC Blog, you will notice that they had a blog post about a dinner for the FRC staff, Frank lists those who attended in the post.
We figured that someone was missing from the list, thus "missed", so we looked into it and found out that the FRC staff has 19 people on it, the list contains 18 (including Frank, who posted it). So ChiefDelphi, the question is... Who is missing?
You missed the part where he says Dean was there. It makes 19 then...

ebmonon36 21-12-2012 12:39
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Quote:
Another reason to believe that the size has changed is they have been very reluctant to post details about the new belt system. You would think FRC/AndyMark/Gates would want teams prepared for the change but we haven't seen anything at allow outside of the announcement that it will be belt and that teams will be able to do an all wheel powered 6 wheel drive. If they told us the belt lengths we could quickly learn that it was for a non-38" long chassis.

I'm guessing 28 x 28 robots.
Which could go along with the Dinner missed = tightening your belt -> making it shorter.

LightSpeedIII 21-12-2012 12:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1203812)
Can you provide a link to this entry, I can't seem to find it...
We got 19 staff members from here

The blog post about the dinner can be found here

CalTran 21-12-2012 12:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV (Post 1203817)
Another reason to believe that the size has changed is they have been very reluctant to post details about the new belt system. You would think FRC/AndyMark/Gates would want teams prepared for the change but we haven't seen anything at allow outside of the announcement that it will be belt and that teams will be able to do an all wheel powered 6 wheel drive. If they told us the belt lengths we could quickly learn that it was for a non-38" long chassis.

I'm guessing 28 x 28 robots.
Does that mean 469 figured it out a full year before the hint was even released? I don't think they told anyone the sizing because that's too much of a hint.

colin340 21-12-2012 12:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger (Post 1203801)

Lighthouses? When it snows == build season? IR lights?
some lighthouses used a suspended weight to spin the lens

Sean Raia 21-12-2012 12:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeedIII (Post 1203824)
We got 19 staff members from here

The blog post about the dinner can be found here
I don't think Dean is part of the staff. The missing name is Frank's.

coalhot 21-12-2012 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1203828)
I don't think Dean is part of the staff. The missing name is Frank's.
If you take the list of names and add Frank, it makes 18 though...

This is interesting though. Is it a coincidence, or a typo, or a hint?

Dancin103 21-12-2012 12:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akoscielski3 (Post 1203724)
Some of them look like phone numbers... LETS START CALLING THEM ALL!
Haha I'm trying to read all of this on my phone and well, I did dial one by accident. I got Louisiana.

chmorroni 21-12-2012 12:53
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Anyone else notice how they spelled "credits" as "creidts" on the FIRST Choice page on AndyMark?

http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice...2013-s/411.htm

coalhot 21-12-2012 12:57
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Hint hint guys, try looking up the 17 FRC staff members listed (google searches, linkedin). There's some interesting stuff there...

Roger 21-12-2012 12:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coalhot
If you take the list of names and add Frank...
... mix up all the letters, shift forward one letter, add "BAT", you'll get a phrase that will be the password to the pre-kickoff game manual file!

mdaniel462 21-12-2012 13:00
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My speculation:

A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

Assuming that this is correct and considering that this hint is probably just a hint for the name of the game, which doesn't really reveal anything.

I bet that the name of the game is:

Seal Stand Strut

A ROSE, KISSED SINGER GREAT = Seal

A DINNER, MISSED ( if you miss a dinner, you STAND someone up)

HOLDING WEIGHT = Strut


This satisfies the need for literary consonance (Rebound Rumble, Rack 'n Roll, Zone Zeal, Diabolical Dynamics, Ladder Logic, Toroid Terror, Hexagon Havoc, Ramp 'n Roll, Rug Rage) as well as the implication to a water game or a new robot dance :P.

Fifthparallel 21-12-2012 13:05
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You are supposed to decode the list of numbers with a Base 18 or Base 20 number system, the same used on the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar mentioned in the Hint about a Hint.

So far, I have been unsuccessful. I believe that it may be encoded in Base 18 (the first letter in the list of names also correspond to the same) and then further encoded in Base 3 or incorporates it. As previously mentioned, The number of names in the list total to 18 when you add Frank's name.

So far, I have been using the Base64 and Binascii libraries in Python 3.3 to try encoding and decoding all of these. There is an online converter that takes numbers and converts them to different base-N configurations as well.

bardd 21-12-2012 13:05
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My guess is we'll need to light up towers by placing weight on them, the towers will have weight sensors on them and LEDs along the bottom (like the LEDs the bridges in 2012). The higher the weight on the sensors, the brighter the LEDs get. You get points in accordance to the brightness of your tower. There will be different levels, each causing the brightness to change more than those beneath it.

If I'm rong and that's not the game, DIBS on designing it!!!

dcarr 21-12-2012 13:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdaniel462 (Post 1203838)
This satisfies the need for literary consonance (Rebound Rumble, Rack 'n Roll, Zone Zeal, Diabolical Dynamics, Ladder Logic, Toroid Terror, Hexagon Havoc, Ramp 'n Roll, Rug Rage) as well as the implication to a water game or a new robot dance :P.
It's also a serious tongue-twister

Quote:
Originally Posted by bardd (Post 1203840)
My guess is we'll need to light up towers by placing weight on them, the towers will have weight sensors on them and LEDs along the bottom (like the LEDs the bridges in 2012). The higher the weight on the sensors, the brighter the LEDs get. You get points in accordance to the brightness of your tower. There will be different levels, each causing the brightness to change more than those beneath it.
FIRST tries to design field elements that can easily be replicated by teams for a low cost. I think we can assume they'll keep that up. This sounds like it would be significantly more expensive.

Robo Hamsters 21-12-2012 13:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EOC (Post 1203723)
In the rookie KOP only red and blue bumper material is provided. Indicating two alliances, not three.
Except that the list is only showing the variations between rookie and vetran teams. Both kits could have yellow bumper material.

coalhot 21-12-2012 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coalhot (Post 1203836)
Hint hint guys, try looking up the 17 FRC staff members listed (google searches, linkedin). There's some interesting stuff there...
I should preface this by saying that this may be a total red herring.

The line "A ROSE KISSED" may have something to do with one of the FRC staff that Frank posted in the list, Rose Kue (LinkedIN).

This may explain all the musical-related hits we've been getting...:eek:

EDIT: She's a music major.

Donut 21-12-2012 13:16
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I'm not so sure on the initial part of the riddle, but "HOLDING WEIGHT" could just refer to the withholding allowance changing. Of course that may be a bit too literal for the GDC...

billbo911 21-12-2012 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ebmonon36 (Post 1203821)
Which could go along with the Dinner missed = tightening your belt -> making it shorter.
Or, "Dinner missed = tightening your belt ->" could be referring to the drive base which is in the KOP. It is a belt drive system.
Maybe belt drive will be mandatory this year just like the hard wheels were required for Lunacy.

Although, missing dinner sounds more like a "refueling station", also from Lunacy. Not "refueling" could also prevent certain actions during the game.

bardd 21-12-2012 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1203841)
FIRST tries to design field elements that can easily be replicated by teams for a low cost. I think we can assume they'll keep that up. This sounds like it would be significantly more expensive.
I disagree. Building such a tower shouldn't be more expensive/hard than building a large table. Granted, teams won't be able to replicate the sensors, but they also probably couldn't replicate the sensors on the basket in 2012 or those on the ball return rail in 2010.

Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203845)
Maybe belt drive will be mandatory this year just like the hard wheels were required for Lunacy.
I don't hink so... I'm fairly sure Frank pointed out at some point that you'd still be able to purchase chains. Why would he say that if chains are illegal?
(working on a quote)

CalTran 21-12-2012 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203845)
Or, "Dinner missed = tightening your belt ->" could be referring to the drive base which is in the KOP. It is a belt drive system.
Maybe belt drive will be mandatory this year just like the hard wheels were required for Lunacy.

Although, missing dinner sounds more like a "refueling station", also from Lunacy. Not "refueling" could also prevent certain actions during the game.
If a belt drive was mandatory than they wouldn't have let veterans opt out of the kit bot.

I'm stool skeptical on the translation produced...

billbo911 21-12-2012 13:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1203848)
If a belt drive was mandatory than they wouldn't have let veterans opt out of the kit bot.

I'm stool skeptical on the translation produced...
Really?? Shouldn't veteran teams know not to purchase all their materials prior to Kickoff? Shouldn't they be able to build belt drives even after Kickoff?

Anthony Galea 21-12-2012 13:34
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The people here are saying things about Seal, so maybe we are replaying Zone Zeal...

Kevin Thorp 21-12-2012 13:37
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Check out this cute seal, kissing a ball, standing on his 2 flippers, like a balancing iBot.

Sean Raia 21-12-2012 13:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin342 (Post 1203852)
Check out this cute seal, kissing a ball, standing on his 2 flippers, like a balancing iBot.
I wouldn't say he was kissing the ball, but I like the literal interpretation of Seal.
I think there's more to work with here.

Perhaps the game piece is a ball that "missed dinner" and has holes in it.

dk5sm5luigi 21-12-2012 13:47
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Going a different route, if you assume it is in decimal and convert that to ASCII you get:

Code:
 , 憞
ៜ ⧍
 飼, 趞
禽 ꚅ
Put that through Google Translate you get:

Code:
? , Dun
ៜ ⧍
? Feeding, Qi
Poultry ꚅ

Grim Tuesday 21-12-2012 13:48
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So we looked up the seal song and at the the minute mark the words are "if I should fall along the way baby"

In combination with the Rick astley 3 mins this is very interesting. "never gonna let you down"

CalTran 21-12-2012 13:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203850)
Really?? Shouldn't veteran teams know not to purchase all their materials prior to Kickoff? Shouldn't they be able to build belt drives even after Kickoff?
It's not such buying material before kick off but is the fact many veteran teams prototype drives before season. And the voucher allows for buying material that doesn't help with belt drive. Meaning we would have another one of the "we have to buy belts and count it on our BOM whereas other teams didn't" sort of deal

Clinton Bolinger 21-12-2012 14:01
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KoP Sizes:

All Teams (including Rookies):
Tote 1 - 18" x 27" x 13" - 48 lbs - Standard Totes we have been getting
Box 1 - 6.5" x 6.5" x 3" - 6 lbs - ???Maybe the BaneBot Motor Box???
Box 2 - 10" x 6.5" x 3.5" - 10 lbs - Battery 1 Box (but weight should be 13 lbs)
Separate Item - 4" x 1" x 1" - 0.5 lbs - ???

Rookie Kit:
Tote 2 - 18" x 27" x 13" - 40 lbs - (2012 Rookie Kit)
Box 3 - 10" x 6.5" x 3.5" - 10 lbs - Battery 2 Box (but weight should be 13 lbs)

AndyMark Drive Base:
Box 4 - 6" x 7" x 30" - 24 lbs - Very interesting because it can not fit the standard C-Channel from previous KoPs (http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-0202.htm)

Enjoy!

-Clinton-

billbo911 21-12-2012 14:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1203859)
It's not such buying material before kick off but is the fact many veteran teams prototype drives before season. And the voucher allows for buying material that doesn't help with belt drive. Meaning we would have another one of the "we have to buy belts and count it on our BOM whereas other teams didn't" sort of deal
The same issue occurred with Lunacy and every team that bought wheels prior to Kickoff. Why couldn't that approach apply this year?

Brandon_L 21-12-2012 14:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate Laverdure (Post 1203760)
A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

Somebody please verify!!

EDIT: This was simple substitution EXCEPT that '97' stands for both G and T. See discussion below.
Went through the entire thread, I have yet to see how you got this...

EDIT: Just kidding!

billbo911 21-12-2012 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clinton Bolinger (Post 1203860)
KoP Sizes:.....
AndyMark Drive Base:
Box 4 - 6" x 7" x 30" - 24 lbs - Very interesting because it can not fit the standard C-Channel from previous KoPs (http://www.andymark.com/product-p/am-0202.htm)

Enjoy!

-Clinton-
Note the "30"" max dimension on the KOP drive base. Typo or legit? Smaller drive bases possibly? I know I'm not the first to mention this.

Clinton Bolinger 21-12-2012 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203863)
Note the "30"" max dimension on the KOP drive base. Typo or legit? Smaller drive bases possibly? I know I'm not the first to mention this.
Unless the new Belt drive base is design slightly different. Maybe has belt tensioners built into the front and back rails. Instead of 1" c-channels maybe they are 3.5" pieces.

-Clinton-

rsegrest 21-12-2012 14:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kalfuswi (Post 1203746)
Went to the NASA page for the mission #31.Notice the launch date is today, the same day the hint was released....relation? As well, "Starry Night" is the background, possibly the game is space related?
Ok, maybe someone has already posted this but...here goes....

Hint 1 - Rick Astley chorus - 'Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down'

Today - Expedition 31 launched and if you notice the 1st video listed is 'Science of the sphere: Yo-Yos in Space'

Yo-yos go up and down and are round...

Thoughts?

::safety::

CalTran 21-12-2012 14:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203861)
The same issue occurred with Lunacy and every team that bought wheels prior to Kickoff. Why couldn't that approach apply this year?
I wasn't on a team that year but 4 lunacy wheels were provided in the kit, right?

Chris is me 21-12-2012 14:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1203869)
I wasn't on a team that year but 4 lunacy wheels were provided in the kit, right?
Yes. What he's saying though is that it's not uncommon for FIRST to punish teams who pre-purchase materials expecting to use them in the upcoming season.

As for the hint, I have no idea. 31 is the max IV in Pokemon. Must be a Pokemon game.

runneals 21-12-2012 14:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalJacket (Post 1203706)
The fact that thhis is labeled hint #number three seems to suggest both thee Rick Astley photo and the post about this hint were actual hints. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
And there was a 3 day difference b/w the post about this hint and this hint...

Kevin Thorp 21-12-2012 14:44
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In the past have there been problems with the size & weight of the robots? They've grown over the years, when you add the bumper and battery weight. Maybe FIRST has serious concerns about safety and transportation issues so they've "downsized" for 2013.

This parallels the downsizing of American cars to help meet the new more stringent CAFE standards and lower carbon footprint. Automotive companies and suppliers are a big part of FRC.

This move would also reduce the veteran team advantage of pulling an old chassis design off the shelf & reusing it in the new game.

billbo911 21-12-2012 14:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalTran (Post 1203869)
I wasn't on a team that year but 4 lunacy wheels were provided in the kit, right?
Yes they were, and fortunately, they were available for purchase from AndyMark. Because, if you dropped one onto a concrete floor, you quickly found out how easy it was to crack one.

Sean Raia 21-12-2012 14:47
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So we have "Seal", and then tightening your belt. Which has turned into a discussion about belt drives, which turned into a discussion about lunacy wheels.

It might just be me, but I think this thread took a wrong turn somewhere.

Walter Deitzler 21-12-2012 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1203870)
As for the hint, I have no idea. 31 is the max IV in Pokemon. Must be a Pokemon game.
And then alliance selections would be like "Team xxxx, I choose you!"

coalhot 21-12-2012 14:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LedLover96 (Post 1203878)
And then alliance selections would be like "Team xxxx, I choose you!"
This would be awesome. I vote for this to be the hint! :D

dellagd 21-12-2012 14:55
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Quote:
This move would also reduce the veteran team advantage of pulling an old chassis design off the shelf & reusing it in the new game.
+1 for that

Still, I hope they keep the same size, though with the drive base kit, that is seeming pretty impossible right now...

yarden.saa 21-12-2012 14:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203863)
Note the "30"" max dimension on the KOP drive base. Typo or legit? Smaller drive bases possibly? I know I'm not the first to mention this.
Frank's earliest blog post about the evolution of the KoP cause me to think it is a typo

Quote:
If your team decides to receive the 2013 KOP Drive System, you will receive an AndyMark C-Base chassis system similar to the last few years. It will again be a six wheel drive robot, with similar wheels to 2012, and with enough material to drive all six wheels. The 2013 gearbox is a ToughBox Mini with 10.71:1 reduction. The estimated final drive speed is about 10 feet per second.

Thanks to our partnership with AndyMark and with a donation from Gates, we are switching from chains to belts to drive the wheels. The KOP Drive System has been designed to be set up as either a six wheel drive “long” robot, or a four wheel drive “wide” robot.

We believe this is a positive change for a number of reasons. The belt system is between 1.5 and 2 pounds lighter than a chain drive system. Belts have also been shown through FRC-specific testing to be a more efficient system than chain drives. The assembly time for the KOP Drive System should also be reduced, since you no longer have to break chain or assemble master links. Chain may provide greater flexibility in design, but we believe, for the stated overall goal for the KOP Drive System, a belt system comes out on top.
He described the drivebase very specifcly so, I can assume there is no change in the dimensions because, this drive base can be wide or long as in previous years...

Walter Deitzler 21-12-2012 14:57
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1203882)
Frank's earliest blog post about the evolution of the KoP cause me to think it is a typo



He described the drivebase very specifcly so I can assume there is no change in the dimensions because we this drive base can be wide or long as in previous years...
I would agree that it probably won't be 28x28, as he states that it can be either long or wide, but he does not mention dimensions staying the same. it could be a 30x20.

dellagd 21-12-2012 15:02
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
If your team decides to receive the 2013 KOP Drive System, you will receive an AndyMark C-Base chassis system similar to the last few years. It will again be a six wheel drive robot, with similar wheels to 2012, and with enough material to drive all six wheels. The 2013 gearbox is a ToughBox Mini with 10.71:1 reduction. The estimated final drive speed is about 10 feet per second.

Thanks to our partnership with AndyMark and with a donation from Gates, we are switching from chains to belts to drive the wheels. The KOP Drive System has been designed to be set up as either a six wheel drive “long” robot, or a four wheel drive “wide” robot.

We believe this is a positive change for a number of reasons. The belt system is between 1.5 and 2 pounds lighter than a chain drive system. Belts have also been shown through FRC-specific testing to be a more efficient system than chain drives. The assembly time for the KOP Drive System should also be reduced, since you no longer have to break chain or assemble master links. Chain may provide greater flexibility in design, but we believe, for the stated overall goal for the KOP Drive System, a belt system comes out on top.
Actually, this makes me think the opposite.

He dances around saying the dimensions, using "similar" and then emphasizing how the wheels are the same. Makes me think he was trying not to give it away.

yarden.saa 21-12-2012 15:02
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LedLover96 (Post 1203883)
I would agree that it probably won't be 28x28, as he states that it can be either long or wide, but he does not mention dimensions staying the same. it could be a 30x20.
The difference between FRC and FTC is the size of the robots, 20*30 is almost FTC robot

jvriezen 21-12-2012 15:04
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
The game will involve lowering something (a minibot of sorts ?) in a manner similar to the lowering of Curiosity to the surface. The 4"x1"x1" item is some spool of high strength tether for lowering that didn't make it in time to get packaged in KOP box.

Either that, or I'm wrong.

dellagd 21-12-2012 15:04
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1203885)
The difference between FRC and FTC is the size of the robots, 20*30 is almost FTC robot
Right. It just wouldnt feel the same to me. One of the coolest parts of FRC is the robots are pretty life size.

apples000 21-12-2012 15:05
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
I think that the part about dinner missed may have to do with the list of names. After the list of names in the blog post, it says "I think they have a larger purpose."

dellagd 21-12-2012 15:18
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by akoscielski3 (Post 1203891)
All people are there for the FRC staff. I know this for a FACT.
Would you care to elaborate then? :P

om23 21-12-2012 15:23
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Since it says game hint #3, and this is the second game hint. So there has to be something special with the 3. In the first hint there were 3 different colored pins holding up the picture and the screen shot from the music video comes from 33 seconds into the video,and the video is 3 minutes and 33 seconds long. 3 has a lot to do with the 2013 game.

JosephC 21-12-2012 15:23
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The playing field will be a Rectangle with 3 sizes; length, width, and depth.

So it's obviously a water game.

CalTran 21-12-2012 15:25
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
I just noticed the commas in the number strings.

dellagd 21-12-2012 15:29
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JosephC (Post 1203895)
I high ranking source told us so; They don't wish to have their identity disclosed.
I always suspected the lower numbered teams to have a mole in the staff...

karomata 21-12-2012 15:36
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1203876)
So we have "Seal", and then tightening your belt. Which has turned into a discussion about belt drives, which turned into a discussion about lunacy wheels.

It might just be me, but I think this thread took a wrong turn somewhere.
I agree

billbo911 21-12-2012 15:40
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Raia (Post 1203876)
So we have "Seal", and then tightening your belt. Which has turned into a discussion about belt drives, which turned into a discussion about lunacy wheels.

It might just be me, but I think this thread took a wrong turn somewhere.
Quote:
Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1203906)
I agree
Please, feel free to get us back on track then. What are your thoughts about these hints?

Johnbot 21-12-2012 15:43
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203908)
Please, feel free to get us back on track then. What are your thoughts about these hints?
Three...

Three minute matches?

Or maybe, just maybe, three alliance game?

MelodyPond 21-12-2012 15:48
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnbot (Post 1203909)
Three...

Three minute matches?

Or maybe, just maybe, three alliance game?
Three minute matches could be a change! Also, those 3 different colored push-pins don't necessarily mean a three alliance game, because the third color was Yellow, and in the past when challenges have been 3 alliances, the color was white. But in Logomotion, the yellow tubes were used for autonomous. So maybe there will be a longer autonomous mode, and that's why matches will be 3 minutes. Also, if matches are 3 minutes, what are we going to do about battery life? At the end of 2:15 matches, those batteries were already shot!

karomata 21-12-2012 15:49
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billbo911 (Post 1203908)
Please, feel free to get us back on track then. What are your thoughts about these hints?
I strongly believe we were on the right track with the poem riddle-ish thing. That was defiantly getting us somewhere. We are also forgetting that we have already had 2 hints, which we are not sure of what they were. I think one was the Rick Astley picture, and I also believe that it means that matches will be 3 minutes long. I have no idea what the other one would be though.

We also have to approach this sanely, the GDC is not gonna give us a hint that could potentially tell us that its and arm game, or that the field has a bump, or that the end game requires us to lift our allied robots. The hints usually give us small details or are so complicated that we will never figure it out. They usually tell us things that do not effect the game itself, but more subtle things. Things like matches are 3 minutes long, and the name has something to do with this riddle. Its not impossible that the GDC would give us a powerful hint, I just don't see it being too likely.

Thoughts?

ekovacs 21-12-2012 16:02
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GBilletdeaux930 (Post 1203777)
Triangles have 3 sides...

Tetras?
I will second this, I would also like to have to work with tetras.

Clinton Bolinger 21-12-2012 16:09
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by karomata (Post 1203911)
I strongly believe we were on the right track with the poem riddle-ish thing. That was defiantly getting us somewhere. We are also forgetting that we have already had 2 hints, which we are not sure of what they were. I think one was the Rick Astley picture, and I also believe that it means that matches will be 3 minutes long. I have no idea what the other one would be though.

We also have to approach this sanely, the GDC is not gonna give us a hint that could potentially tell us that its and arm game, or that the field has a bump, or that the end game requires us to lift our allied robots. The hints usually give us small details or are so complicated that we will never figure it out. They usually tell us things that do not effect the game itself, but more subtle things. Things like matches are 3 minutes long, and the name has something to do with this riddle. Its not impossible that the GDC would give us a powerful hint, I just don't see it being too likely.

Thoughts?
2010, People guessed that the game piece was going to be a Soccer Ball.

Read: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=79453

Page 3 first reference of a soccer ball.

-Clinton-

runneals 21-12-2012 16:12
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Here's a map of the first 3 coordinates... haven't found the 4th...

G Fawkes 21-12-2012 16:14
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My son confirms the clue is;
A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

He says each pair of numbers represent a letter of a cryptogram. The only unusual thing is 97 represents both a G and a T.

Redo91 21-12-2012 16:20
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
If the G and T have the same number value, could it be that instead of "great", the word is "treat"?

Littleboy 21-12-2012 16:23
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A ROSE, KISSED
SINTER TREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

The game piece will be sinter.

om23 21-12-2012 16:26
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This might be a wild tangent, but I'm guessing the 2013 game has something to do with rails (railways/railroads).
Why? Well "88274153" leads you to this: http://books.google.com/books?id=M7k...4153&f= false

The table's title says Australian Railways.
Another set of numbers "088274153" leads you to Adelaide, Australia. The Wikipedia page states they have a really good rail system.

Numerous number sets lead you to phone numbers, Indian phone numbers. There were some from Tamil Nadu (southern state) and another from Gujarat (western state). I couldn't really explain this other than India has a well connected railway system.

Some of the number sets ("332341415326") were FedEx tracking numbers that are no longer valid. Maybe they were moved by rail?

Its a random guess, the numbers could mean anything.

Bryce Paputa 21-12-2012 16:28
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look at the url, http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc/blog-kit-of-arts-info-and-an-actual-game-hint


hmm...

Gregor 21-12-2012 16:31
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1203924)
look at the url, http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprogr...c/blog-kit-of-arts-info-and-an-actual-game-hint


hmm...
Incorrect link, but I think I can guess what you are trying to link to.

What are you implying?

Bryce Paputa 21-12-2012 16:32
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
it says kit of arts, not kit of parts.

G Fawkes 21-12-2012 16:33
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redo91 (Post 1203920)
If the G and T have the same number value, could it be that instead of "great", the word is "treat"?
Good Point - Singer Treat is a possibility

Sinter seems less likely given that the powder metallurgy term is not widely known.

Gregor 21-12-2012 16:33
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1203928)
it says kit of arts, not kit of parts.
I see.

Using art you can draw water.

Water game?

karomata 21-12-2012 16:34
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce Paputa (Post 1203928)
it says kit of arts, not kit of parts.
Probably just a typo or something, lets not make mountains out of mole hills, before we get off track again.

Gregor 21-12-2012 16:41
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
My mentor has figured it out

"Seal" will "miss dinner (of fish)" because it's "holding (this) weight."

pfreivald 21-12-2012 16:42
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Larger (or more) alliances, smaller robots, and longer games would, IMO, go well together.

...but I hope they don't make the robots much smaller. The spectacle of FIRST is tied to its scale.

Chris_Elston 21-12-2012 16:48
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
GPS Coordinates of some sort?

Link to GPS

auk 21-12-2012 16:51
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"A ROSE, KISSED/SINGER GREAT" is Seal. What about "A DINNER, MISSED/HOLDING WEIGHT"?

Kevin Selavko 21-12-2012 16:51
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
What if the main robot is 30 by 28 with a mini-bot attached to the front?

pfreivald 21-12-2012 16:54
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Selavko (Post 1203939)
What if the main robot is 30 by 28 with a mini-bot attached to the front?
What if the main bot is the minibot, and it has to launch a full-sized FRC bot up the pole?

gyroscopeRaptor 21-12-2012 17:01
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
The third and fourth lines could be referring to a First Frenzy-style cap. "Seal" would then refer to blocking it off.

Whippet 21-12-2012 17:06
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pfreivald (Post 1203940)
What if the main bot is the minibot, and it has to launch a full-sized FRC bot up the pole?
... And the main robot needs to be made from tetrix parts!

Travis Hoffman 21-12-2012 17:08
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whippet (Post 1203942)
... And the main robot needs to be made from tetrix parts!
The only FRC-legal motors this year will be Tetrix motors.

Kevin Thorp 21-12-2012 17:09
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yarden.saa (Post 1203885)
The difference between FRC and FTC is the size of the robots, 20*30 is almost FTC robot
FTC 'bots must fit within an 18" cube at game start, so their volume can be no greater than 5,832 cubic inches.

For FRC, if the "long" dimension is now 30" and you keep the same aspect ratios, the short dimension becomes 22" and the height becomes 47". That's 31,020 cubic inches, over 5 times the volume of an FTC bot.

Tom Line 21-12-2012 17:10
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Holding weight may refer to the sport of holding weights with arms extended horizontally. There's even a guiness record for it.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...tretched-arms/

ttldomination 21-12-2012 17:14
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregor (Post 1203934)
My mentor has figured it out

"Seal" will "miss dinner (of fish)" because it's "holding (this) weight."
Now, this is interesting. A bit of a stretch, but definitely a stretch in the "FRC Direction."

But we're thinking of the wrong definition of seal? Seal has many definitions, and many other people associated with it.

- Sunny G.


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