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IndySam 01-01-2013 15:36
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orion.DeYoe (Post 1206246)
Wow. I must say this is really well thought through. I think you may have it.
The robots do get a bit large when you put bumpers on them. The bumpers end up being about 3.5-3.75 inches thick (.75 in plywood + 2.5 in + Fabric + Fasteners) on a side. This adds up to 7-7.5 inches per axis of frame dimension. So if the size limit is 38 in x 28 in and you subtract 7-7.5 in well that gives you a 30 in x 20 in frame which, coincidentally, fits within the AndyMark frame kit nicely.
Like I said, I would bet that you have it (assuming we're not missing something in the KOP list). I can't say I'm happy about it though, I really liked the size. Like other people have said, the large dimensions are what make FRC challenging and fun.
But if we would be using the same sizing box would mushroom bots be allowed? That would only make the frame smaller not the robot. We would still have the same sized robots.

nathan_hui 01-01-2013 15:42
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My guess is that if the GDC is shrinking the frame down so that the bumpers fit in the sizing cage, the cage probably won't change. That said, it probably means that the GDC is doing away with Frame Perimeter distinction and flat out stating "The robot, bumpers included, must fit in a x by y by z box at the beginning of the match. Period."

Ernst 01-01-2013 15:52
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Wouldn't it defeat the purpose of the bumpers if a mushroom bot is allowed? If the robot frame perimeter can extend as far as the bumpers, collisions would still occur between metal frames instead of pool noodles, rendering the bumpers nearly useless. They'd just be squishy reminders of team numbers.

nathan_hui 01-01-2013 15:54
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Likewise, manipulators sticking out of robots don't contact bumpers, and probably cause more damage than the frame sticking out.

ElectricVeteran 01-01-2013 16:55
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I've been reading for a few DAYS now and I have what I think might be an original thought on this thread (I see an original idea about every other post). Maybe the clue is the name of or synonymous to the name of the game. Hear me out. The first line points towards a single word "Seal" (that's if we are on the right track). Maybe the next two lines refer to another word/name. I think the answer is somewhere on Frank's blog post from after the Christmas dinner. Any thoughts? Oh. I also think the size change is going to happen. Might just be for the belt drive system but the frame in that kit shank.

Andrew Lawrence 01-01-2013 17:03
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT
Manual password, anyone?




*Please note I do not endorse trying to open the manual before kickoff, I'm just implying it could be something that doesn't have to do with the game itself*

coalhot 01-01-2013 17:20
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperNerd256 (Post 1206268)
Manual password, anyone?




*Please note I do not endorse trying to open the manual before kickoff, I'm just implying it could be something that doesn't have to do with the game itself*
Would be interesting, though I doubt FIRST would give out the password as a hint...

Kevin Thorp 01-01-2013 17:24
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepWater (Post 1203998)
I wouldn’t be surprised if the robots will still be sized 28”x38” but that will include the bumpers and the weight limit will be increased to 140 lbs but still won’t include the weight of the battery.
I would expect a weight reduction if the size is reduced. 140 lbs. is a lot of weight to pick off the floor multiple times a day. There's a proper way to lift, but I'm sure we've all seen kids in a hurry, doing dumb things to their spinal columns.

Steven Donow 01-01-2013 17:32
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin342 (Post 1206277)
I would expect a weight reduction if the size is reduced. 140 lbs. is a lot of weight to pick off the floor multiple times a day. There's a proper way to lift, but I'm sure we've all seen kids in a hurry, doing dumb things to their spinal columns.
I would assume the number 140 was chosen because in past years, the overall weight of the robot was restricted to 120 lbs of robot+20 lbs per set of bumper. This would just simply be combining the weights of the two components, if, for the purposes of robot sizing, bumpers are technically part of the "robot"(as defined in past years' manuals)

ENIAC 01-01-2013 17:43
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When does the encrypted manual get released?

Andrew Lawrence 01-01-2013 17:47
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ENIAC (Post 1206279)
When does the encrypted manual get released?
Tomorrow.

inkspell4 01-01-2013 18:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevend1994 (Post 1206278)
I would assume the number 140 was chosen because in past years, the overall weight of the robot was restricted to 120 lbs of robot+20 lbs per set of bumper. This would just simply be combining the weights of the two components, if, for the purposes of robot sizing, bumpers are technically part of the "robot"(as defined in past years' manuals)
You could always use the handle things that are available on andymark to lift the robot

cmrnpizzo14 01-01-2013 19:01
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I think we are getting clogged up with game ideas that are not possible.......

I made a new thread for all people wanting to take a turn as the GDC
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...97#post1206297

Have at it!

joelg236 01-01-2013 19:25
Re: 2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!
 
I'm sorry if this has been posted before (I just don't have the time to sift through 500 replies :p)

I think there might be a pattern going on with the length of the numbers. It occurred to me that it is certainly possible that the number mean absolutely nothing, to distract us from what the hint means. So,

The length of the numbers are as follows:
Code:
2 8, 12
12 10
2 12, 12
14 12
If you find the sum of each line, you get
Code:
22
22
26
26
This is obviously a pattern of sorts. What is means, I am still in the process of figuring that out. But just some food for thought.

Troger 01-01-2013 19:29
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Other than these hints i have found some patterns in the FRC Game history. Take a look:
In the past 10 years the games have alternated in themes. Sports, Science, Sports, Science... look:
2012-Rebound Rumble: Sports (Basketball)
2011-Logomotion: Science (elevation challenge)
2010-Break Away:Sports (Soccer)
2009- Lunancy: Science (elevating challenge)
2008-FIRST Overdrive: Sports (relay race/track similarities)
2007- Rack 'N' Roll: Science (elevation challenge similar to 2011)
2006-Aim High: Sports (Basketball)
2005-Triple Play; Science (elevated score)
2004-FIRST FRENZY;Raising The Bar; Sports (Volleyball)
2003-Stack Attack: Science (stack things high)

SO i would expect we would have to get something scored in a high up goal, maybe on that was 3' high perhaps. and possibly circular.


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